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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 8:04:54 PM   
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I think the Federal Government would take exception to me having that on my property for some reason. Fearful of it, not at all, but I'd have to look into proper disposal just like I would for my batteries, my lights, dead printers, etc.



And here I was just going to tell him he could sit it inside, I leave the porch for the real hazzards....like lead.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 8:11:31 PM   
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There are times when I shake my head and walk away.

After reading Mr. I didn't know this was a BDSM site's drivel about contrails, and the rest of his information, it's time to walk.

I know plenty about aircraft, I've had a love of them for years. And so does my vanilla partner. And her father flies. Those contrails that seem to last and last are just that contrails that last and last. Kind of unavoidable when you have aircraft using the same flight paths constantly. But, that's another argument, another conspiracy.

Oh and there is no "legal" definition of "conspiracy theory".
Over thirty years ago, an appellate court did hold that one contracting party, by use of a conspiracy theory, could impose liability on another for the tort of interference with that contract. (Wise v. Southern Pacific Co. (1963) 223 Cal.App.2d 50, 71-72.) This decision was accepted and followed in a number of appellate cases. However, it was never accepted by the Supreme Court.


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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 8:18:09 PM   
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I know plenty about aircraft, I've had a love of them for years. And so does my vanilla partner. And her father flies. Those contrails that seem to last and last are just that contrails that last and last. Kind of unavoidable when you have aircraft using the same flight paths constantly. But, that's another argument, another conspiracy.

You shouldn't discount kooktrails so quickly.  They're part of the commie's insidious plan to flouridate our drinking water.  They seed the atmosphere with flouride then it gets into the water table when it rains and it corrupts our precious bodily fluids.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 8:40:58 PM   
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Are you that dense? Apparently you've never learned of Project Paperclip importing Nazi scientists after World War 2 that then helped create American attrocities like the CIA's MKULTRA Programs that were investigated by the US Senate in 1977. Of course the government buried facts about children being brainwashed and only admitted to the illegal radiation experiments that Clinton actually apologized for decades later.

But I suppose if you want to continue living your lives devoid of the actual facts of global abuse by the Illuminati New World Order former CIA Director and President George HW Bush told us about, then you go about your merry ways.

I'll see you in the Afterlife and tell you "I told you so" before condemning you to Pegatory which as Nirvana put best, "You're in high school again."

Now I'm sure you'll have fun with that statement while continuing to bury your heads in the sand.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 8:42:26 PM   
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There are times when I shake my head and walk away.

After reading Mr. I didn't know this was a BDSM site's drivel about contrails, and the rest of his information, it's time to walk.

I know plenty about aircraft, I've had a love of them for years. And so does my vanilla partner. And her father flies. Those contrails that seem to last and last are just that contrails that last and last. Kind of unavoidable when you have aircraft using the same flight paths constantly. But, that's another argument, another conspiracy.

Oh and there is no "legal" definition of "conspiracy theory".
Over thirty years ago, an appellate court did hold that one contracting party, by use of a conspiracy theory, could impose liability on another for the tort of interference with that contract. (Wise v. Southern Pacific Co. (1963) 223 Cal.App.2d 50, 71-72.) This decision was accepted and followed in a number of appellate cases. However, it was never accepted by the Supreme Court.



Heh.

Hey Gemini....quick impression:

Don't ya just feel like that sometimes? I know I do.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 8:44:32 PM   
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Are you that dense? Apparently you've never learned of Project Paperclip importing Nazi scientists after World War 2 that then helped create American attrocities like the CIA's MKULTRA Project that was investigated by the US Senate in 1977.

But I suppose if you want to continue living your lives devoid of the actual facts of global abuse by the Illuminati New World Order former CIA Director and President George HW Bush told us about, then you go about your merry ways.

I'll see you in the Afterlife and tell you "I told you so" before condemning you to Pegatory which as Nirvana put best, "You're in high school again."

Now I'm sure you'll have fun with that statement while continuing to bury your heads in the sand.


Oh geez....I was just waiting for the reference to the illuminati. Only took 5 pages. I must say I'm disappointed. I thought it would have been sooner.

And as for "MKULTRA".....I have to say, I thought the original Mortal Kombat was better. It was edgier and, of course, original. The more they made, the more they watered it down with combos and other superfluous stuff.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 8:58:47 PM   
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Pegatory


Now I'm picturing an afterlife presided over by Peg Bundy.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 9:10:03 PM   
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Maybe this may help, but I doubt it considering how adament you are in believing everything is hunky dory.

On April 2nd, 1996, I filed a sworn statement to the FBI detailing a secret meeting between my Department of Defense parents and future US Attorney General Janet Reno on or about July 17th, 1981, at Disneyland in a room in which children were being sexually abused. Just before the drugs they forced on me kicked in, I witnessed the meeting.

If I had lied to the Feds, I would've been shut up as making a false statement to the FBI is a Felony. But I don't lie and so I still have autonomy. It also helps that I have powerful friends in the Defense Department and CIA.

If you insist on refusing to do any research and continue to try to call us names for exposing corruption, then we'll just continue laughing at you as the complete idiots you have become.

Meanwhile, hundreds of concentration camps have been built in the US, the local police forces are armed like the military, peaceful protestors are being beaten for speaking their minds, and you'll just continue thinking everything is hunky dory.

It's really interesting how so many people have been completely brainwashed to automatically disbelieve anything after the word "conspiracy" is mentioned. I have my theories of how it was done, but it's only speculation I can't prove. I'm sure it involves the subliminal "voice to skull" technology the military writes about; get you to have conversations with yourself that are influenced by those beaming the signals into your heads. But that's just crazy-speak I'm sure you'll be thinking.

Anyways, good luck with your life and when the shit hits the fan don't say I didn't warn you.

In the meantime, you might consider reading:

http://www.skewsme.com/dumbdown.html
http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html
http://www.skewsme.com/abuse.html


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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 9:37:30 PM   
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Maybe this may help, but I doubt it considering how adament you are in believing everything is hunky dory.


You misunderstand. I don't think everything is "hunky dory." I know full-well this world is being fedexed to hell, I just don't give a shit anymore. And complaining about the types of ammo our troops use during combat isn't going to matter one bit.

You see, my original point in this little debate was, with all the things that were bad, that our guys were potentially exposed to over there, DU is minor. If you want to extrapolate and include the whole world.....I'm sorry but DU drops completely off the "bad things to worry about in this world" list.

We've got fanatics half-way around the world who want our whole country blown up. We have another country buzzing us with warplanes. We have yet another country that's sent us tainted toys, tainted pet food and tainted "anything else" you can think of. We have millions of people who can't drive and would shoot you for cutting them off. We have millions more of those coming into the country daily. We have Resources being wasted and used and contaminated at an alarming rate.....

And oh yeah.....we're in the "richest country in the world" yet even though I have $2 in my bank account, I still have to wonder if the slightly scruffy looking guy outside the 7/11 a block from my house will put a gun in my face as I go in to buy a soda, couple with the fact that if that were to happen and he actually got a shot off, you might as well just hope I don't make it, since I as well as the vast majority of Americans can't afford health insurance or the time it would take to recover from such an incident.

Sorry, but I could give a rat's ass about DU or anything that's allegedly being sprayed into the air by some mysterious planes that don't exist.

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On April 2nd, 1996, I filed a sworn statement to the FBI detailing a secret meeting between my Department of Defense parents and future US Attorney General Janet Reno on or about July 17th, 1981, at Disneyland in a room in which BLANK were being BLANK. Just before the drugs they forced on me kicked in, I witnessed the meeting.


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In the meantime, you might consider reading:

http://www.skewsme.com/dumbdown.html
http://www.skewsme.com/mind_control.html
http://www.skewsme.com/abuse.html



Of course, because those are clearly official, unbiased resources.

Edited to remove the "bad" TOS words.


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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 9:56:50 PM   
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Skews, it sounds as though there is a difficulty with the language these days.

You see it took me alot of research and time to figure it out. Actually not looking for that specific subject, just many other. I might have to take a look at your site. I might even have something to add.

At any rate the definition of a conspiracy is generally taken as two or more engaging jontly in criminal acts. But consider this, there are those to whom the law does not apply. Therefore whatever they do is merely a partnership.

We have a very tight knit partnership between big business, government and media. You see in an ogliarcy, that is how it is.

Big business decides who shall run the government, and they in turn decide who will get licenses for media outlets. This adds up to the cooperation of some partners with others. Many times this cooperation goes both ways, which adds up to more profits for all of them.

But you see it is not a conspiracy at all, because these partners in running the world define what conspiracy is. Therefore there is no conspiracy.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 10:02:32 PM   
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Smith117 you make many good points I would cover myself but there is just so much evil in the world I can't cover all of it in any single post. Everything is so interrelated and so convoluted it's hard to write a single piece that could possibly cover everything at once.

I live in a bad neighborhood myself and am afraid of all the kiddie crack dealers on the corner when I hear gun shots ring out on their regular summer schedule. And when I hear of CIA airplanes crashing filled with tons of  cocaine aboard, it really pisses me off all that much more.

Most of my early papers are composed entirely of quotes from books, newspapers and the like. Of couse I decide what to include based on my own studies, and they may well be a bit one-sided, but I'm sick of people telling me to include all the sides of a story like telling any good aspects of Janet Reno when I know first-hand she's an evil, pedophile bitch.

Don't just write off my papers because I compiled them. Universities have linked to many of them. I've worked really hard for the last decade researching and putting the most relevent information on my websites. I've waded through tons of crap not to use it. I only try to include the most well-written factual information as I know most people have been trained to be skeptics of anything the authority figures aren't telling them.


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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 10:05:23 PM   
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You know, it occurs to me that you've not read the TOS. You probably should.



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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 10:13:02 PM   
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We have a very tight knit partnership between big business, government and media. You see in an ogliarcy, that is how it is.

Big business decides who shall run the government, and they in turn decide who will get licenses for media outlets. This adds up to the cooperation of some partners with others. Many times this cooperation goes both ways, which adds up to more profits for all of them.


Apparently I can't include pictures here so here's the links:

http://www.skewsme.com/img/cfr_candidates.jpg

http://www.skewsme.com/img/media-ownership.gif

I also want to point out that the 1976 landmark film "Network" relating to which you speak of is now available on google videos (for the most part; gets cut short near the end).


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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 10:47:49 PM   
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I can deal with not posting links to images. That's no biggie.

As far as apparently insulting others, I guess I was misled by all the swear words in the adverstisements here as well as being called a "conspiracy nut" if not worse. I started letting my emotions override my common decency trying to get a point across. It shouldn't be a problem from here out.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 11:31:55 PM   
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Now I'm sure you'll have fun with that statement while continuing to bury your heads in the sand.


I believe that there has to be all sorts of people in this world and of course we all know that when the lead head is in the sand the ass is in the air getting dry fucked!  LOLOL





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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/8/2008 11:54:19 PM   
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Now I'm hearing from many sources that the Red Cross is refusing blood donations from Iraqi war verterans for reasons including the depleted uranium they've been exposed to as well as the untested vaccinations. "They are unsure of how the blood could be contaminated and don't want to take the chance," according to one researcher.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/9/2008 12:59:33 AM   
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I could not confirm that but it would not surprise me.

Let's cut to the chase, get rid of all the bullshit in one fell swoop.

Let's say I call the local red cross and try to give blood, but tell them that I am 32 and all my teeth and hair fell out, and I feel sick all the time after being in the gulf war.

Think they would want it ? Must be putting it in a vat with that special "budget blood".

Hell, with enougth thimerosal in it, it might last forever.

Hopefully you can tell the sarcasm from the dissent.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/9/2008 1:14:14 AM   
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Let's say I call the local red cross and try to give blood, but tell them that I am 32 and all my teeth and hair fell out, and I feel sick all the time after being in the gulf war.

Think they would want it ? Must be putting it in a vat with that special "budget blood".



Sarcasm does hold a place in educating the masses, but for the most part it only acts as a diservice to those of us trying to relay the hard sciences to the populace. We're called countless names for our efforts and are punished for name-calling in return.

The fact of the matter is is that our soldiers are being poisoned and most people refuse to want to know anything about it, even denying it despite all the veterans raising hell to get the facts known.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/9/2008 3:52:34 AM   
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This seems to have gone downhill, but one last post that I'd already started on:

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What if the dust is spread around evenly on a farm field or grazing pasture where farm animals feed?

This sort of dispersal would actually be a good thing. Assume the worst case - that we could evenly distribute the roughly 200 metric tons of DU used over just the permanent cropland in Iraq (0.61% of the 432,162 km^2 total, according to the CIA World Factbook). Let's say the dust gets mixed in with the top six inches of topsoil during tilling. Those top six inches already have roughly 1800 tons of uranium present naturally - or more if phosphates have been used as fertilizers. So you have roughly an 11% increase in the amount of uranium present, which falls well within the natural variations in uranium concentration and poses virtually no threat from a toxicological standpoint. If the only thing we're considering is chemical toxicity, dilution like this eliminates concentration levels that could be dangerous.

Cancer risk is a bit different. Unlike non-carcinogenic toxins, and barring evidence of a specific mechanism, the conservative operating assumption is that cancer risks have a direct linear relationship to an individual's exposure, with no minimum threshold. While dilution would lower the risk to any one individual to negligible levels, theoretically you would expect a few additional cancer cases in the aggregate. So, if you could actually get all the uranium into cropland somehow, you might see something like a 7% increase over cancers caused by natural uranium (reduced from 11% to account for the lower radioactivity of DU). Of course, the number of cancers caused by natural uranium exposure is minute to the point I've never heard of anyone worrying about it.*

The problem though is that DU is not readily dispersed. You rarely get detectable levels beyond 400 m or so from the impact [source, section 3.2]. As a result, there are localized areas that might be dangerous. If the impact occurred in the middle of an uninhabited desert, this localization is probably a good thing. If it occurred near a village well, not so much.

There are legitimate grounds for concern over localized contamination like this, although the studies to date have not clearly established a substantial risk. Chances are a few grams of uranium aerosol, or a mostly intact 30 mm penetrator, ending up in a well aren't going to affect the health of anyone in the village (the oral LD50 is thought to be around 5 g, and the cancer risk for any single individual is small) but exposing others to such a risk is something most people wouldn't want on their conscience, hence the WHO recommendation for clean up and monitoring.

*Well, until I looked into it. The CDC's toxicological profile for uranium, amid a plethora of good information on the risks of of uranium and the studies that support them, referenced the BEIR IV committee's calculations of risk from natural uranium exposure. For the sake of quantifying the risk of DU use in Iraq, I played with the committee's calculations a bit. Assuming 200 metric tons of DU were used and that you could get 27.5 million Iraqis (roughly the country's current population) to ingest all of it over the next 70 years, you could achieve 10.2% of the BEIR IV dosage, which would translate into 3.94 expected additional cases of bone cancer (probably uranium's highest risk due to its affinity for phosphates) in those 27.5 million people over those 70 years.

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RE: depleted Uranium - 4/9/2008 4:18:29 AM   
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I agree that this thread is FUBR at this point.

Let`s not spread around toxic watse(or at least a little as possiblea),is my only point.

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