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Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 3:30:01 PM   
mrmorpheuslunar


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Status: offline 		OK.  So my bitchy subbie that challenges me at every turn of the road is holding something out on me.  In fact she fights me over everything.  Fights against blow jobs, fights against butt fucks, fights against yes and fights against no. 

Well last night told her I wanted her to dress down and take her bra and top off and just sit and watch the movie with me.  She complied, but later we fought again like cats and dogs and then found middle ground.

Today she backed into the garage door and dented the back panel of the car, and has not told me. 

I am planning on pulling her panties down, and spanking her for each day she withholds this knowledge from me.

You tell me.  Is this training her, or abusing her.

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 3:32:43 PM   
hopelesslyInvo


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Status: offline 		...how long has this relationship been "working" out?

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 3:33:52 PM   
metamorpha


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Status: offline 		Is she worth it?  Are YOU getting what you need out of the relationship?

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 3:36:11 PM   
Luciferica


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Status: offline 		That sound like a relationship that makes nobody happy

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 3:38:12 PM   
MagiksSlave


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Status: offline 		erm.... how do you know she did it? You know I have nastly litte car trolls that are constantly taking my car and getting it into fender benders, maybe your sub has some of them as well, I hear they are quite common amongst us brat types, you best find out before you go and spank her for it.

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 3:39:08 PM   
FRSguy


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Status: offline 		Wow! I personaly will not have anything to do with a woman that is like that at all but thats just me.  I think bitchy woman really need to be put in there place but again thats just me... as far as a sub denting my car.... If it were my sub she would be shaking violently while she told me. If it were my sub and she neglected to tell me....LOL.  I would just mention that I noticed and not say another word for about three days.

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:09:14 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		Her car or yours? Her garage or yours? Makes a difference.

Beyond that, doesn't sound like she feels submissive to you. She does apparently enjoy some kink in the bedroom but that doesn't make her submissive, nor you dominant for that matter.

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:18:20 PM   
TreasureKY


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mrmorpheuslunar

Today she backed into the garage door and dented the back panel of the car, and has not told me. 

I am planning on pulling her panties down, and spanking her for each day she withholds this knowledge from me.

You tell me.  Is this training her, or abusing her.


Neither, it sounds like a punishment.  Whether it's an effective one remains to be seen.

quote:

ORIGINAL: mrmorpheuslunar

OK.  So my bitchy subbie that challenges me at every turn of the road is holding something out on me.  In fact she fights me over everything.  Fights against blow jobs, fights against butt fucks, fights against yes and fights against no. 

Well last night told her I wanted her to dress down and take her bra and top off and just sit and watch the movie with me.  She complied, but later we fought again like cats and dogs and then found middle ground.


So... just what was the purpose of including all this?

Aside from perhaps demonstrating that your "bitchy subbie" has a "bitchy dommie"?


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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:20:36 PM   
Daddyslilpookie


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Status: offline 		It sounds to me like she isn't submissive to you at all sorry to say but if I did that to Master's car I would tell him immediately and i would probably be crying and begging for forgivness depending on the damage. Sounds to me like your subbie is a twue subbie just my

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:24:33 PM   
GregorianChant


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Status: offline 		I really don't know what to say about this post... As a dom who has at times screwed up relationships by being too lax I can honestly say that you've made the same mistake. Let me get this strait- she damages (what I'm assuming is) your property and you're going to spank her for it once for each day she withholds this information from you? Jesus man- you're miles, and miles, and miles away from abuse. The only abusive thing you've done is allowed yourself to lose control of the relationship... Something that is apparently making you and her both very unhappy.

Frankly? I doubt very much that my slave would DREAM of withholding something like that from me... The punishment for withholding it would be truly creative!

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:29:24 PM   
hopelesslyInvo


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
Aside from perhaps demonstrating that your "bitchy subbie" has a "bitchy dommie"?


crude, but putting it lightly still.

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:34:13 PM   
AquaticSub


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Status: offline 		I'd call it just plain stupid. How can you possibly expect this to have any positive results when you are just randomly spanking her without telling her why? Talk to her like a reasonable person - for all you know she is planning on getting it fixed tomorrow and doesn't want to tell you until she's fixed it.

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:40:05 PM   
angelwithhonor


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Status: offline 		Greetings.......

       i just had to put just a small comment..not that it truly matters bc....its how He deals with His own sub...but i think the punishent part is to say the least of hers and His problem...and subs/slaves can say NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!.....hmmmmmmmm

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:41:05 PM   
Knighthavvk


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quote:

ORIGINAL: GregorianChant

I really don't know what to say about this post... As a dom who has at times screwed up relationships by being too lax I can honestly say that you've made the same mistake. Let me get this strait- she damages (what I'm assuming is) your property and you're going to spank her for it once for each day she withholds this information from you? Jesus man- you're miles, and miles, and miles away from abuse. The only abusive thing you've done is allowed yourself to lose control of the relationship... Something that is apparently making you and her both very unhappy.

Frankly? I doubt very much that my slave would DREAM of withholding something like that from me... The punishment for withholding it would be truly creative!


I am new to this site but I must admit I agree with this above post and many of the others.  Your submissive doesn't seem to be submissive at all, she is topping from the bottom!  Even my own sub recognized this when I asked her for her thoughts on your post.  My submissive never keeps anything from me small or large and would never even THINK to keep something so HUGE from me.  She knows the punishment would be beyond comprehension and no it would not be abuse.

You sir have lost control of your "bdsm" relationship and need to find out if your "submissive" truly wants to submit and if so you need to set some ground rules and then stick to them strictly.



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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:41:41 PM   
dcnovice


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Today she backed into the garage door and dented the back panel of the car, and has not told me. 

If she hasn't told you, how do you know?

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:44:27 PM   
AquaticSub


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Just curious... how long do we as subbies and slaves have to tell our owners something before it's considered topping from the bottom? She did this today. She hasn't even been given 24 hours! There is a huge difference between withholding something and waiting for the right time.

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 5:54:28 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Niether- seems like co-enabling misdirected behavior degenerating into a cycle of frustration.

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 6:03:00 PM   
catize


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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 6:40:00 PM   
katie978


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   So your bitchy subbie does not sound in the least like an actual sub. She fought against you wanting her to sit on the couch and watch a movie? Have you mentioned to her that you think you two are in a d/s relationship? Have you researched the difference between a girlfriend and a sub?

  It seems that your girl let you spank her or tie her up once, and now you think you're lord & master. Or that she's the worst sub ever (a situation aided by you, her dom). Since your relationship seems completely vanilla, then any physical discipline could be construed as abuse. Now, in an actual d/s relationship, where one partner is in charge, that would be incredibly light punishment (depending on the relationship, I'm speaking from the point of view of mine).

If I dented my master's car, I would be very apologetic and would tell him right away. If I lied to him about something like that, I imagine my punishment would be a lot worse than a few light spankings.

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RE: Abuse or training - 4/7/2008 7:36:56 PM   
TwistedLeather


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Status: offline 		i'm confused... who's the Dom/me here? And if she fights you so much, are you sure she's actually sub? Sounds to me like someone needs a couple weeks in a closet for some soul searching! The next question is... is it you, or her?

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