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Rope starter collection - 4/7/2008 3:59:05 PM   
Phin


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Status: offline 		For those here that enjoy rope bondage what would you reccomend for a person that is just trying to start practicing? what size would you use? what is a good collection of lenths?

I am not trying to work on anything fancy just yet, working on tying her up so she cant get out. then maybe something a little more complex...

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/7/2008 4:28:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		4x15' (or 4x10') and 2x30' will get you well on your way.  That gives you enough to tie up some decently fancy harnesses and all the limbs in seperate directions.  I would really recoment 6mm conditioned hemp.  If you dont want to lay down the cash for that, get some braided nylon or MFP, between 5/16" and 3/8".  I wouldnt recoment going above 3/8" it starts to become a pain in the ass to tie knotts.

For basic bondage ties, visit twistedmonk.com he has a video section with small instructional clips.

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/7/2008 4:32:48 PM   
Phin


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Status: offline 		I have watched a couple of their vids, I am planning on trying a couple of those.

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/7/2008 8:08:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		What kind of rope you want, also depends on what kind of bondage you are into.  "west coast fusion" I think its called, is more suited for nylon or other synthetic ropes, all the tight knots and intracit designs.  Shabari, or western shabari works better with hemp, because the most complex knot you tie is a half hitch or square knot, the hemp bites into itself better to hold the simple knots.

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/7/2008 10:41:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Phin > i run the whole range of ropes all depending on what i am doing and who i am doing it to .Everything from dollar store  50 ft lengths to prized hemp and jute, some silk , nylon ,climbing rope ,bungee cords ,webbing ,the rope section at hardware and home centers  are great too .If you also find  climbers  or an indoor climbing place you can buy rope cheap from them as they can only have so many hours on them for safety .Yet the rope is fine for most thing s your using them for ,make sure there are no defects of frays ,if so cut them out .I find the dollar store stuff is great fun and you can  just cut them outta the bonds  at the end of the session .After all you only paid a buck ea for them .
I like to have some of everything  for feel , strength, and textures .The thickness also holds variety everything from massive thickness almost cartoon like ,to paracord and even dental floss .

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/8/2008 4:28:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		My general rule of thumb I tell folks is 'double double double'.

How much rope you need depends on the size of your partner. Bigger people need more rope, smaller people need less rope. Whoever you are going to be tying up the most, measure that person from fingertip to fingertip with their arms outstreched and have this as your basic unit of measure.

Your going to need a couple of short lengths. These are used for single limb cuffs, tying spread eagel to the bedpost, or other simple ties. This would be one of your basic measure. (Note, if your doing the popular 'folded rope' style of tying then remember to measure from midpoint to end and not end to end. For folded rope style its 2 basic lengths)

Your goign to need several medium lenghts. These are for hogties, double limb cuffs, basic chest harnesses and so forth. This is double the short length.

Your going to need at least one long length. This is for full body harnesses, rope corsets, or other large scale ties. This is double the medium length.

As for diamater, get something roughly the diamater of a pencil in thickness. Usualy ΒΌ inch or 6mm. Pencil manafactures have long known that this is the diamater of a long cilinderical object that fits most comfortably in the hand. You may enjoy thicker ropes but dont go much above the diamater of a magic marker.

Two things that should be on any good bondage rope are end buttons and a centermark. The end buttons let you finish a tie by sliping them under a coil and they just stay in place that way. No need to finish off with a knot. The centermark lets you quickly and easily adapt ties to the 'folded rope' style of jhapanese bondage.

You will also need an emergency cutting tool of your choice. In case there is a fire, an earthquake, or your mother in law shows up unexpectedly at the door and you need out in a hurry. This can be EMT sissors, rescue hooks, dive knives, or any number of others. There is no end of debate about what tool is the 'best'.

Check my sig file for a good source of rope ;)

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/8/2008 12:44:41 PM   
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Two things that should be on any good bondage rope are end buttons and a centermark.

I got the idea of the centermark, but what is an end button?I have not heard that before.

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/8/2008 1:02:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		An overhand knot at each end of the rope.  Personally they are a pain in the ass when taking someone out of the ties, they snag on all the wraps.  I prefer whipped ends.  As for the center mark, I dont use that either, I just bundle my rope, starting with the two loose ends, finishing the bundle with the bite, that way I know where it is.

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/8/2008 1:28:23 PM   
TheHungryTiger


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Status: offline 		Its just any knot or weave tied into the strands of the rope that makes it slightly thicker.

Overhand knots are the 'clasic' way that it is done in japanese bondage but there are plenty of other ways. Numinous (of nawashi.com fame) Has gone a long way in making the smaller more compact thistle knot the standard for western style shibari inspired bondage. Its small enough to not get in the way of your rigging but still large enough that when you finish a tie by tucking the ends of the ropes under a coil, the thistle knot keeps it from falling back out.

Tripple wall endings are gaining in popularity, as its even less obtrusive than thistle knots, but in my opinion they dont do a good job of staying tied.


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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/14/2008 8:59:19 PM   
MzHard


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Max rocks
read his workshop discriptions
he gives what lengths to start out with
and
type of material to use
hemp is best just not as pretty.

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/14/2008 9:04:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Four twelves.  A couple of 25's. A thirty for shinju-maybe another if you want to do a karada.

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/17/2008 4:22:59 PM   
TaoInDominance


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Status: offline 		I tend to use 6mm or 8mm naturual fiber rope and prefer a thistle knot to finish the end.  My sets are usually of 7 meter or 8 meter ropes though I do have some smaller lengths for Western Bondage.  Most of what I rig now is Kinbaku influenced.

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/23/2008 7:41:17 PM   
ViceVersa


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Status: offline 		Hey Phin,

Locally you might try the Rope Wench and Ropefreaks. I think both will be vending at the Fetish Fashion Show and Ropefreaks have rsvp-ed for the next Cordial. Here's the contact information for both on CORD:

http://cordnc.wordpress.com/got-rope/

I believe that Ropefreaks is selling starter sets through their own website and through ebay, as well.

Vice

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/24/2008 12:27:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I went to my local "home and farm store" and searched thru their selection of rope.  They have many to choose from, and can be purchased by the foot.  VERY inexpensive.  Before purchasing, I rubbed it across my skin to check for comfort. I also found the twistedmonk online lessons easy to follow.  Some very nice basic ties. 

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/24/2008 8:24:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		http://rainbowrope.com/  They aren't the cheapest but they aren't too bad.   $0.30 a foot for 3/8 flat braid of any color.   

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/24/2008 8:30:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I buy 3/8ths black three strand rope from West Marine, soft, supple, and beautiful  I have four lengths of 6' that are handy for tying someone to various posts/beds/etc.  I also have some longer ones for doing Japanese stuff.

I whip the ends and middle as it makes doing nice stuff easier.

http://www.animatedknots.com/sailmakers/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.j...&Website=www.animatedknots.com

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/24/2008 9:54:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Didnt read through all of this but the twistedmonk website has low priced starter kits that are pretty good and have some simple instructional to get you started.

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/24/2008 2:50:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		If we are talking Shibari, 7-8m of 7-8mm of 3-ply jute is the standard and everything is done with one standard length. Hemp is rarely used in Japan. This length is chosen as it is should be roughly 4 times the span of a rigger's arms outstretched. The idea being that a doubled rope can be pulled through in one motion. The ends should be knotted to allow the ropes to be joined easily with a hitch.

There's rope like this on my site http://www.esinem.com from 24c per foot and it's POST FREE at the moment.

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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/24/2008 2:59:17 PM   
TheHungryTiger


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The idea being that a doubled rope can be pulled through in one motion.
Oh wow .....

I have been traching folks the 'armspan then double-double-double thing for rope lengths for ages now. But I always did it cause those were bractical lengths for the amount of rope going on the body. I never thought of it as a 'pull through in one motion' length before.

Mind if I steel that idea and pass it around? [blackmail]You owe me a favor since I let you post my rope material article on your website[/blackmail]


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RE: Rope starter collection - 4/25/2008 5:02:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Esinem

If we are talking Shibari, 7-8m of 7-8mm of 3-ply jute is the standard and everything is done with one standard length. Hemp is rarely used in Japan. This length is chosen as it is should be roughly 4 times the span of a rigger's arms outstretched. The idea being that a doubled rope can be pulled through in one motion. The ends should be knotted to allow the ropes to be joined easily with a hitch.

There's rope like this on my site http://www.esinem.com from 24c per foot and it's POST FREE at the moment.


Jute really is one of the most beautiful fabrics one can use for shibari.
But here in Europe it is not so easy to get really good jute, so hemp is more common here...
I'll habe a look on your webpage, perhaps we get in contact because of the rope ;)

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