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Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 3:01:00 AM   
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For years, American importers and Chinese factory managers have been having the same conversation. The importers would demand lower prices for products destined for American shelves. Factory managers would counter with a long list of reasons why they needed to charge more. Most of the time, the American importers would prevail, and Wal-Mart shoppers would rejoice.

Not anymore. The era of cheap Chinese consumer goods may finally be ending, thanks to irrepressible inflation. Now when the Chinese present their lists, some American importers are conceding higher prices, meaning that American shoppers, for the first time in years, are starting to pick up the tab for rising costs in China. Some Chinese factories are now asking their American customers for price increases of as much as 20 percent to 30 percent.

A store manager at a young women's clothing store in Boston tells me the prices of some camisoles are rising. An executive in the athletic shoe industry says that Chinese factories and buyers are now negotiating about spring 2009 shoe lines, and that is where consumers will really start to see the impact of Chinese inflation. A manager of several discount stores confides his company has started raising prices of certain goods while putting others on sale. This is only the beginning: We'll be paying higher prices for Chinese goods for years to come.


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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 3:26:37 AM   
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Right. Because we all know that people being squeezed at the gas pumps have 20-30% more free cash to blow on Walmart goods. In the U.S. even door greeters, barristas and waitresses at the local diner all make over $100K a year, drive SUVs and live in the lap of luxury. Also, everyone in the U.S. lives in fantastically spacious flats on Manhattan.

Makes sense...

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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 3:46:03 AM   
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Look people, for how long did you think you were going to get all the lead paint, glass bits, toxic toothpaste and tainted animal food on the cheap??? 

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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 3:49:01 AM   
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What's the rest of the story, Level. Is George Bush pushing a button to make gas prices go up in China too? He's evil, isn't he.

Or maybe, the Chinese are demanding higher wages. Will we be able to start exporting to them soon?

What's causing the inflation. Could it be the lower dollar, doing what the Chinese government has long resisted doing by making the Yuan more accurately reflect its value?

Oh! You provided a link. Perhaps all the answers lie there...

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For years, American importers and Chinese factory managers have been having the same conversation. The importers would demand lower prices for products destined for American shelves. Factory managers would counter with a long list of reasons why they needed to charge more. Most of the time, the American importers would prevail, and Wal-Mart shoppers would rejoice.

Not anymore. The era of cheap Chinese consumer goods may finally be ending, thanks to irrepressible inflation. Now when the Chinese present their lists, some American importers are conceding higher prices, meaning that American shoppers, for the first time in years, are starting to pick up the tab for rising costs in China. Some Chinese factories are now asking their American customers for price increases of as much as 20 percent to 30 percent.

A store manager at a young women's clothing store in Boston tells me the prices of some camisoles are rising. An executive in the athletic shoe industry says that Chinese factories and buyers are now negotiating about spring 2009 shoe lines, and that is where consumers will really start to see the impact of Chinese inflation. A manager of several discount stores confides his company has started raising prices of certain goods while putting others on sale. This is only the beginning: We'll be paying higher prices for Chinese goods for years to come.


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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 3:53:15 AM   
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Right. Because we all know that people being squeezed at the gas pumps have 20-30% more free cash to blow on Walmart goods. In the U.S. even door greeters, barristas and waitresses at the local diner all make over $100K a year, drive SUVs and live in the lap of luxury. Also, everyone in the U.S. lives in fantastically spacious flats on Manhattan.

Makes sense...


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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 3:56:28 AM   
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Look people, for how long did you think you were going to get all the lead paint, glass bits, toxic toothpaste and tainted animal food on the cheap??? 


Don't you feel the sketchy harvest of donor organs kinda made up for the cheap stuff, though?
 
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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 3:58:44 AM   
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What's the rest of the story, Level. Is George Bush pushing a button to make gas prices go up in China too? He's evil, isn't he.

Or maybe, the Chinese are demanding higher wages. Will we be able to start exporting to them soon?

What's causing the inflation. Could it be the lower dollar, doing what the Chinese government has long resisted doing by making the Yuan more accurately reflect its value?

Oh! You provided a link. Perhaps all the answers lie there...



No, all the answers are to be found here......

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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 4:17:20 AM   
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Look people, for how long did you think you were going to get all the lead paint, glass bits, toxic toothpaste and tainted animal food on the cheap??? 


Don't you feel the sketchy harvest of donor organs kinda made up for the cheap stuff, though?
 
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Organ donation..not so much.  Chicken Lo Mein....all is forgiven....

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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 5:00:19 AM   
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Will we be able to start exporting to them soon?


Because we manufacture or grow what precisely?

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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 5:03:10 AM   
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the money is always in the spread.  it is sorta like gambling, the house always wins.

think about how we commpelled China to bastardize their environment, and we did so to produce shoddy junk..things that do not last.

what is not to spoken about is that the dollar is not backed be gold/silver...if it was little inflation would occur.   things did not go up in price- the dollar went DOWN in value!

now I ask, what number comes after trillion?   as in 9 trillion that we owe?   do you know?

when the planet has set amount of resources you either find more, or better utilize current resources or thin out the herd.

stuff IS cheap.  when someone moves they often get rid of "stuff" cheap or free.  it is everywhere.   I am 1 person, I fill a big house. In the space of 1 year- it is full- of STUFF.  almost none was bought brand new.

the question is- could I walk away from it all tommorrow?

stuff can weigh you down.  it can hinder freedom.  I need to get better at feng shui.

the odd thing is we EXPECT things to be junky now.     but what about heart valves and nuclear reactor parts?   where are they made?   things of this sort.

the bad walmart done tricked us.   but 'we" let it happen by voting with our feet.  glunk.

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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 6:12:56 AM   
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If I had my way, this country wouldn't import another damn thing from China or any other third world country.  Has anyone else noticed that China is trying to kill us?!?  Lead paint on dishes, lead paint on children's toys, psychedelic drugs in those "dot" things for kids, flip-flops that cause severe skin irritation, and the latest is people dying from contaminated heparin (blood thinning drug).  What idiot decided it would be safe to buy medical supples from overseas?!?  Buy American, they say.  Um....where, exactly, would I find something made in the USA?  Not at Wal-Mart....they stopped selling American made after the ol' man died.  Not clothes....there was only 1 Levi's plant left in the states (due to close) last I heard.  Not cars...they're assembled in Mexico.  My Nissan, by the way, was made in Tennessee.  Everyone wanting cheap junky crap has allowed American jobs go overseas, and American businesses have eagerly polluted other countries and exploited workers with little or no rights.  What will we do now that China wants to be paid for their services?  This country is too dependent on our enemies for my level of comfort.  If there is ever another World War....we'll be as helpless as the Confederacy after cutting off the Mississippi River.

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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 6:39:49 AM   
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Anything that doesn't need lead to produce... like the Tomcar perhaps. California wine. Or a million other things.


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Will we be able to start exporting to them soon?


Because we manufacture or grow what precisely?



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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 6:41:36 AM   
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They make it cheaper over there, otherwise they don't need or even want it.

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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 6:45:07 AM   
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You guess wrong. The yuan is being forced higher, the Chinese people are becoming more affluent, and they are beginning to want goods that aren't the shitty Chinese-made variety.

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They make it cheaper over there, otherwise they don't need or even want it.


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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 6:52:15 AM   
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OK, I believe you. You've been right about so many other things...


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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 7:00:34 AM   
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You guess wrong. The yuan is being forced higher, the Chinese people are becoming more affluent, and they are beginning to want goods that aren't the shitty Chinese-made variety.


Sanity:
Everything that comes here from China some one from here went there and asked them to make as cheaply as possible.
 

Lets see....China has mach three aircraft,stuff in outer space and nuclear weapons.  Are you seriously suggesting that China is incapable of manufacturing high quality stuff?
Did you know that BMW motor cycle engines are manufactured in China?
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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 7:05:57 AM   
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And in a couple of years the factories will move to poor African countries. This isn't new. After WWII, cheap good were made in Japan, when Japanese wages rose, the factories moved to Taiwan. Then Korea, and now China.  What's the average wage in Botswana or the Sudan? Because when the goods cost too much, it becomes cheaper to build new factories someplace else.

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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 7:12:04 AM   
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Assuming we're successful in wiping out Communism, what happens when we run out of cheaper places to build new factories...


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And in a couple of years the factories will move to poor African countries. This isn't new. After WWII, cheap good were made in Japan, when Japanese wages rose, the factories moved to Taiwan. Then Korea, and now China.  What's the average wage in Botswana or the Sudan? Because when the goods cost too much, it becomes cheaper to build new factories someplace else.


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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 7:19:31 AM   
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In this country we pay a high price for terrorism.  So why shouldn't we pay the same price for China's terrorism?

We've been getting off too cheaply for too long.  Lead paint, tainted food that is terrorism at its finest. 

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RE: Chinese goods no longer cheap? - 4/10/2008 7:39:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Assuming we're successful in wiping out Communism, what happens when we run out of cheaper places to build new factories...


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And in a couple of years the factories will move to poor African countries. This isn't new. After WWII, cheap good were made in Japan, when Japanese wages rose, the factories moved to Taiwan. Then Korea, and now China.  What's the average wage in Botswana or the Sudan? Because when the goods cost too much, it becomes cheaper to build new factories someplace else.




"Assuming we're successful in wiping out Communism",
  
Assuming?!?!?

What`s up sanity,declaring defete in the war on Communism, already?

I hope you`re not joining the ranks of the "cheese eating surender monkeys",I thought that neo-cons were the warrior class.

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"what happens when we run out of cheaper places to build new factories..."


Oh,that`s easy,lol. We`ll just invade one and "make it" cheaper.

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