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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 8:53:45 PM   
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I think I also stay on the side of humility in terms of saying I have experience.  I'm much more likely to downplay experience than "talk it up."  Sure I have some floggers, yes I've used them before, no that doesn't mean that I'll never slip and hit your elbow or ear  

I think it's important to disclose specific details when it comes to edge play (breaking skin, breath, bodily fluids, fear, etc).  For example, I really want to get into playing with needles more, but when I talk about it with potential partners, I state that I have only done it a few times and only in certain areas of the body and only with 18-22 gauge needles.  I don't see it as a problem stating all that, if anything, detailing the extent of experience sometimes leaves people with a feeling of "ooo I'd like to go further with you."  As long as they are willing and know it's relatively new territory, it's all good.  I can recall having a book open when doing rope bondage - nothing wrong with that at all - most people are just happy to be playing.

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 10:28:13 PM   
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This might sound odd but in the initial stages of getting to know a potential, I tell them very little about myself in terms of activities. Why? Because I have seen repeatedly that some people, often not consciously, adjust their own likes, dislikes, desires, and limits based on what the potential top's are. So until I am sure we've gone through the initial negotiations and I've gotten as honest and full an idea from the potential bottom/sub as possible, I don't share that information about myself.


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I am very much like this. I don't really care to discuss wiitwd when I first meet a potential sub. I need to get to know the person first, and even then, I am unsure how much is him and how much is him wanting to please me.

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 10:33:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa
I am not talking about never doing it, but only having experienced it once, would you tell your sub that you had more experience than you actually do? How important is it to you to be honest about how much experience you have, with your new sub/slave?


Absolutely not.  When inexperienced people dive headfirst into situations that are potentially dangerous, the likelihood of their sub getting hurt is very high.

I believe that part of being a dominant is having enough maturity to be honest with your sub, and to ask for advice on scenes or types of play you may be inexperienced with rather than just trying to "wing it" and risking an emergency room visit, or worse.

Great question, by the way! 


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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 10:33:36 PM   
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the problem i have with that is sometimes i get to be a bit annoying after i do a bit of learning on my own, and i start acting like i have loads of experience by questioning someone's every move and double checking and second guessing to make sure they know certain things, if they seem insulted by my quips i'll assume they don't want me questioning their experience for a reason; yet if they just try to settle my uneasiness i'll assume they think i'm just worrying too much. 

hopelesslyInvo,
I wouldn't think you were questioning my experience, I would wonder if you were questioning what I am capable of doing, or not doing. There is nothing wrong if a sub wants to check me out, but I would rather give hiim a reference and be done with it. But then again, I do disclose what I know, but only if asked. Most subs don't even bother asking if I had done this or that before. I find that very scary. Thanks for responding.

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 10:35:59 PM   
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Some of it would be a little freaky for a new person

You just hit the nail on the head. I couldn't imagine telling a new sub some of the things I have done. But then again, they may not be interested in what I have done anyway <s>

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 10:36:39 PM   
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Why would I lie, especially about something like that?  Maybe I'm missing something.  If a sub doesn't want me because I don't have sufficient experience with mummification, then fuck her, bye bye.  I want someone who wants me for me, and the only way to get that is to be honest about who you are.

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

Fire play?  Needle play? Breath play? Mummification?
I am not talking about never doing it, but only having experienced it once, would you tell your sub that you had more experience than you actually do? How important is it to you to be honest about how much experience you have, with your new sub/slave?

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 10:37:57 PM   
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Yes.  Sadly, very few dominants have the necessary self-awareness to tell their potential bottom::  "By the way--just so you know--I'm a complete dumbass."


Gee, that could be applied to some of the men I know, dominant or not. Some men just don't get it. 


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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 10:40:59 PM   
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I think if two people are out to try an activity that is edgy or has safety implications, it might help to talk about it: what can go wrong, what are safety considerations, what is the source of information had and how reliable is this source, what does each person need to watch for and communicate to the other, what preparations are needed. I think this type of discussion will help get a sense for how prepared the two are.


Just worth repeating.


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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 10:44:34 PM   
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I think it's important to disclose specific details when it comes to edge play (breaking skin, breath, bodily fluids, fear, etc).  For example, I really want to get into playing with needles more, but when I talk about it with potential partners, I state that I have only done it a few times and only in certain areas of the body and only with 18-22 gauge needles.  I don't see it as a problem stating all that, if anything, detailing the extent of experience sometimes leaves people with a feeling of "ooo I'd like to go further with you."  As long as they are willing and know it's relatively new territory, it's all good.  I can recall having a book open when doing rope bondage - nothing wrong with that at all - most people are just happy to be playing.


khem,
I have had the same experience with having a book on the table beside me. Of course my sub knew that I was inexperienced with what we were attempting and it caused him to be more excited by it!


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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 10:48:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pyrrsefanie

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa
I am not talking about never doing it, but only having experienced it once, would you tell your sub that you had more experience than you actually do? How important is it to you to be honest about how much experience you have, with your new sub/slave?


Absolutely not.  When inexperienced people dive headfirst into situations that are potentially dangerous, the likelihood of their sub getting hurt is very high.

I believe that part of being a dominant is having enough maturity to be honest with your sub, and to ask for advice on scenes or types of play you may be inexperienced with rather than just trying to "wing it" and risking an emergency room visit, or worse.

Great question, by the way! 



Thank you Pyrrsefanie. It was inspired by something someone wrote on another thread about whether they should tell their sub how much experience they have. I thought, Good grief! Of course you should. But then I thought..just because I would tell, doesn't mean all will.
I've a feeling there are some that won't tell, but are afraid to post for fear of being criticized. I say to each their own. Funny how we really haven't heard from the male dominants

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 10:57:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

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Doesn't risk-aware mean for *both* participants?  Not disclosing prevents awareness. 


Yes.  Sadly, very few dominants have the necessary self-awareness to tell their potential bottom::  "By the way--just so you know--I'm a complete dumbass."




*snort*

as far as the OP:
I am quite up front about what experience I have.  When I bottom, I want to know if the top has any kind of proficiency with the tools at hand, and as a top I want the bottom to know what my proficiencies are. 

I own a singletail.  I am IN NO WAY good with it (hell, I still wear safety goggles when I practice because I keep getting snapbacks..dammit...). I would not dare to exaggerate my experience with it, nor will I use it on a person.
My canes?  yeah, I'm pretty damned good with them (although not perfect...). Clothespins? hehehehehe..one of my favorites!
I think it is highly risky to NOT disclose prior to play.  Let the bottom decide if they want to be a guinea pig....and then only for the less risky forms (clingfilm, wax etc.).
Just my .05

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 11:11:46 PM   
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Why would I lie, especially about something like that?  Maybe I'm missing something.  If a sub doesn't want me because I don't have sufficient experience with mummification, then fuck her, bye bye.  I want someone who wants me for me, and the only way to get that is to be honest about who you are.

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Fire play?  Needle play? Breath play? Mummification?
I am not talking about never doing it, but only having experienced it once, would you tell your sub that you had more experience than you actually do? How important is it to you to be honest about how much experience you have, with your new sub/slave?



LandM,
That is my point exactly.

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 11:14:03 PM   
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 own a singletail.  I am IN NO WAY good with it (hell, I still wear safety goggles when I practice because I keep getting snapbacks..dammit...).


GT, I would have to wear a full body armor suit! lol I love to practice with it though. But I would not even think of using it on a person. I have seen presentations of them and was impressed with the style and the ease of which they were used.

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 11:20:18 PM   
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 own a singletail.  I am IN NO WAY good with it (hell, I still wear safety goggles when I practice because I keep getting snapbacks..dammit...).


GT, I would have to wear a full body armor suit! lol I love to practice with it though. But I would not even think of using it on a person. I have seen presentations of them and was impressed with the style and the ease of which they were used.


*sighs* SOMEDAY I hope I am that good..LOL  At Folsom a few yrs ago I was able to be the targe,,erm, bottom, to a guy from Chicago who is BRILLIANT with whips.. truly a spiritual experience! I just wish someone had videotaped it so that I could have watched later..all I know is that it felt heavenly!

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 11:27:00 PM   
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It's very important to me to be honest. But then, that's always very important to me. I mean, why wouldn't you be honest about stuff that has the potential to harm, maim or even kill someone? I just don't get that.

It's kinda like when I went to have an STD panel done. The Dr. explained that, with the amount of oral sex that happened these days, it'd be impossible for him to tell me if I had oral or genital herpes IF the test came back positive. He then asked me what I think was the stupidest, most potentially dangerous question on the planet: Was I sure I wanted to even know the results if I felt like I was going to freak out about it? I just stared at him. WTF? Why would I not want to know, even if I was gonna freak? Freaking out is just one of the crappy parts of not being careful. Not knowing the results does not make it safe for my partners nor does it give them a chance for informed consent. What if people who are HIV+ use this logic? What if they HAVE? Good lord.

Anyway, yes, being honest about what I can and can't do (and do and don't have!) is important.

Master Fire

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/14/2008 11:32:22 PM   
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BTW, I'm clean. :-)


Congrats! Thank you for responding. I agree about HIV infected people, they have a responsibility to disclose that they have it to any partners they are with. In fact I believe it is the law, I could be wrong. Not a subject I have researched.

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/15/2008 3:32:19 AM   
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the problem i have with that is sometimes i get to be a bit annoying after i do a bit of learning on my own, and i start acting like i have loads of experience by questioning someone's every move and double checking and second guessing to make sure they know certain things, if they seem insulted by my quips i'll assume they don't want me questioning their experience for a reason; yet if they just try to settle my uneasiness i'll assume they think i'm just worrying too much. 

I wouldn't think you were questioning my experience, I would wonder if you were questioning what I am capable of doing, or not doing. There is nothing wrong if a sub wants to check me out, but I would rather give hiim a reference and be done with it. But then again, I do disclose what I know, but only if asked. Most subs don't even bother asking if I had done this or that before. I find that very scary. Thanks for responding.


experience holds some capability issues i guess, but i mean mostly in the sense of if it was something like... electric, and paranoia starts to rise a little, i might ask something like "you're not going above the waist are you?", could be that they just wanted to see me sweat things out by making me wonder, but i'm definitely going to wonder~  i'd be more the type to inquire "are you going to try and force something" rather than "do you think you'll even be able to do it".  i wouldn't just burst out with a "do you know what you're doing".   i really... and perhaps this isn't a smart point of mine, worry less about safety and more about how i'll feel about things, that might be because there's nearly a safe way to do anything, and i wouldn't quickly fall into something i don't think i'm capable of.  sometimes i think people simply worry too much, or think that i'm the one who isn't capable, and i love when people can just tuck that worry away for a bit.  there are occasions that abandoning concerns of safety in some degree can really enhance things, while still keeping proper care in check of course, or rather a mild amount of neglect without losing the amount of concern.  you know... a situation where it's not exactly "healthy" but not really a "health concern", something that should end up causing little to no ill effect in the end~  so much of that goes hand in hand with many "bdsm things" in the first place, or at least gives the illusion of it.  some of it's just pushing such as "you can go a bit longer" or "it's not going to kill you", but i don't mean to sound unrealistic in my approach, or unconcerned with safety overall. 

i think most people that try to educate themselves seem to have a good idea between what is careless and what is overboard, which is why i try to educate myself as well, but surprises can be fun~ =p

experience is something i'm not really too concerned to hear about because "how do you sort out the liars"?  some people try and avoid lying, or even in telling the truth they justify themselves by their wording, while not really telling you anything concrete. 

have you ever done this before?
well i'm definitely not an old hand at this, but i'm no newbie.

you know what you're doing right?
of course, did you think this was my first time or something?

have you had experience with this before?
oh?! best believe i got experience~

do you do this a lot?
of course not, only with certain people.

i think it's really all centered around trust, and i try to give the benifit of the doubt, but as much as i might take things with a grain of salt, i wouldn't quickly assume they're lying or not qualified for something.  afterall, few things bother me as much as when people call me a liar, or discredit my own experiences.  i worry though with the majority of people, if i make it sound like i'm questioning or concerned with things, it'll make them worry about what is the "right thing" to say, whether it's by embelishing or downplaying the truth.  the best thing i can think to do is just encourage people to be open, and not let "who they tell" be an influence to "what they tell".  some people though, they seem to lie to you so they can lie to themselves, and they need you to buy into it before they can. 

trust and salt are my words for the day~

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/15/2008 8:34:41 AM   
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Truthfulness is very important here ... if anything I would downplay My skills or say that they are a bit rusty rather than overplay them. I have pics of various play that I have done with subs whose faces are obscured and which I have permission to show (but not give) to prospective subs. Once W/we have got past the initial GTKY stages (as per TammyJo), I like to show these pics so the sub can gauge for themselves My overall interests and level of skill. That can help stimulate more open discussion prior to play.

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/15/2008 8:41:06 AM   
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HopelesslyInvo,
What a great post! I love the questions and the..um..not so clear answers lol I don't think I have ever answered anyone like that lol I think that you are a very smart submissive who cares enough about your health and well being that you won't jump right into play without first getting some information about it. I have a feeling that your Domina will be extremely happy over the treasure (That is you) she finds in a pile of junk. Hell, I don't even know you and I feel proud of you!

I wish you much luck in your journey!

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RE: Your Experience & Disclosing It.. - 4/15/2008 8:45:33 AM   
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Truthfulness is very important here ... if anything I would downplay My skills or say that they are a bit rusty rather than overplay them. I have pics of various play that I have done with subs whose faces are obscured and which I have permission to show (but not give) to prospective subs. Once W/we have got past the initial GTKY stages (as per TammyJo), I like to show these pics so the sub can gauge for themselves My overall interests and level of skill. That can help stimulate more open discussion prior to play.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

Maam Jay,
Do you give demostrations with the wand? I think I have met you at DomCon in Atl. I could be wrong. (If you feel uncomfortable answering here, you can c-mail me)
In any case, I like the idea of showing photos to a new sub so that they feel more at ease with what you are fixin' to do.

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