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kallisto -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/17/2008 4:26:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OmegaG FR I've been thinking about this for the past couple of days and here are my thoughts: My thought is that while you can't physically give away your "soul" (meaning the undefined part of you not covered by everything else), that part of a person is generally the last part to be opened to another person completely. So while I don't give my "soul" to someone, I can get to a point where I allow full access to what is going on in my soul, I give him full view-- I guess full transparency, I tell him what's going on in the soul, I give him the insigts connected with the soul, I basically open the window to my soul completly to only those that I feel I can trust with that knowledge. Omega, I've been doing the same thing. Mulling over this for the past few days. I like the way you've put it. I think when you give someone your soul, they know you inside and out. It's a level that you don't have with anyone else. It's an unspoken feeling.

TinkACD -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/17/2008 10:50:45 PM)
quote: Another question along the soul line. What really gets broken when you lose a loved one. Your heart or your soul. I think if you have commited that deeply it is more than just your heart. So do I Dnomyar, and boy does it take some healing to let yourself go there again! One of the hardest parts of a BDSM relationship (speaking from a sub/slave point of view) is that you give so very much of the inner/secret parts, than when it's thrown back in your face parts of you feel like they're dying..that you've given too much away... But, life being what is is, time heals and the next dynamic is different ... Wow, morbid mood. LOL

Bethnai -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/17/2008 11:22:25 PM)
Perfect trust. Perfect faith. I'm an athiest. So, if I decide that a man is a God, I can do it without any guilt. Let me stop right here and state that I do not expect Dom's to be Godlike. So, don't. Its a different mindscape, I think. Human fallacies and all that yada yada yada. Great, got it. I don't get into philosophy much. I do not torture myself with ...why am I here? Is there a mind? Are people born good or evil? I have no patience for that. You lead-I follow-NO FEAR. I'm a believer. Endlessly. Perhaps its not a thing to give but a threshold. I think I butchered that word.

ownedgirlie -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/17/2008 11:23:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci quote: Regarding your stick it out comment...it really isn't a choice for me anymore these days. So he's stuck with me till he gives me the boot. [;)] Yeah, I'm sure that's gonna happen real soon[8D]...............luci Silly girl. But what Dnomyar said is true, I think. We have actually come close to ending it, twice. It's a pretty devastating feeling, and my inability to function during those times because of the grief convinces me it was more than just my heart that was affected.

NorthernGent -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/18/2008 1:06:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin So, if the soul is the most precious thing a sub or slave gives up to another person, what does that actually mean in practicality ? If it helps, please feel free to give examples of how you would explain my question. You'll have a hard job explaining an intangible concept such as "the soul", let alone attempting to define "giving away the soul". Do people mean giving body and mind when they talk of the soul?

ownedgirlie -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/18/2008 1:19:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Do people mean giving body and mind when they talk of the soul? I see the soul as the essence of who we are. Of what's in our core and what makes us think, feel, react, and be who we are. I don't equate the soul with the mind. The soul is much "deeper" than the mind (if that makes sense). It's what can connect people beyond where the mind and heart can take them. Some people see souls in a religious and/or spiritual context. Some see them in a mystical or "universe energy" kind of way. I tend to think it's behind that which defines my personality and general make up. I don't think the soul can be given away, and I do think the body and mind can be.

NorthernGent -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/18/2008 2:26:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie The soul is much "deeper" than the mind (if that makes sense). It's what can connect people beyond where the mind and heart can take them. Yeah, makes perfect sense. I don't tend to place store in the notion of a soul, but I see what you're getting at.

BitaTruble -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/18/2008 3:16:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin So, if the soul is the most precious thing a sub or slave gives up to another person, what does that actually mean in practicality ? If it helps, please feel free to give examples of how you would explain my question. I've read this several times over the last few days, read the thread a few times and I know what I feel but I'm not sure that I'm a good enough writer to articulate those feelings. Consider this a 'best attempt'. Himself has the use of me in whatever capacity he chooses, but realistically, I can't give away the intangible parts of myself. I can, however, put them to use as he dictates to the best of my ability. For example, if he sets me a task which requires I use my mind, I will do so and, hopefully, accomplish the task he set forth. He can, at his whim, delve into my mind and I will be transparent to his every probing. That's the best I can offer. He has the choice to nurture or crush my heart as it relates to him. If he makes the choice to crush it, I will probably hate him but I will still retain my heart and I will still love those I already love - friends, family etc. He can bruise it, but not break it. That's the best I can offer there, as well. I can't make a promise that he will destroy me if he crushes my heart. He won't. I believe in infinite spirit. I can't prove it to anyone else, but I have personally experienced and have enough evidence that I am satisfied I do, indeed, have a spirit and that it will go on without the vessel of my body. I can't sell it, trade it or give it away .. but, there are rare moments when it can be shared. I've found it to be very freeing and enlightening and that's the best I can offer on that score as well. Perhaps, there's not much of practical use in these things - heart, mind and soul, but I have other talents in other areas which are quite practical.. and that's the best I can offer and I do offer all of it freely to him. Celeste

StormsSlave -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/18/2008 7:04:27 AM)
Your soul is yours and yours alone. In truth, it doesn't really even belong to God, whomever that God is, because you decide who to worship. It's free will. You can't give it away, and no one can take it. And whatever happens in your great beyond, the only choice you really have until then is what do you want to do with it while you're here. That's mho.

Twicehappy2x -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/18/2008 7:25:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble I believe in infinite spirit. I can't prove it to anyone else, but I have personally experienced and have enough evidence that I am satisfied I do, indeed, have a spirit and that it will go on without the vessel of my body. I can't sell it, trade it or give it away . but, *there are rare moments when it can be shared. I've found it to be very freeing and enlightening and that's the best I can offer on that score as well. Your post best reflects my own beliefs.* I highlighted that which touched me most. Having experienced those rare moments when ; The first time i gazed into the eyes of my second born grandson and his soul recognized mine, and mine his. The first time i met my Master gone, our souls touched, when he left a chunk of mine left as well. The first time Scooter looked into my eyes, i felt the weight of his soul touch mine. The first time i felt one with the earth, the life force of it all. Can your soul be possessed? I think not, you can fill it with love, with good. Or with evil, with malice, with despite, but no matter what you fill it with it is still your own. It cannot be surrendered or held or tainted except by your own self. It is what is left after your flesh expires, to come back, to fill another body on the wheel of time. But it may be shared with another, it may be recognized by one whose soul you've touched before, but in the end it is still your own.

akisha -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/18/2008 10:41:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin So, if the soul is the most precious thing a sub or slave gives up to another person, what does that actually mean in practicality ? If it helps, please feel free to give examples of how you would explain my question. I have yet to read the thread in entirety but i just wanted to state. My soul would never be given to anyone, EVER. I may love them and be entirely devoted to them but that is one thing which will always be mine and only mine. Well unless you believe in a higher power (God, Allah, etc) then in death my soul would belong to whom ever wins the coin toss I guess Might make me less in some peoples eyes but then again I've never been much of a people pleaser anyway. The opinions of the general population have never really mattered much in my life. I'll read the rest of the responses now [sm=alien.gif]

eyesopened -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/23/2008 4:06:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble I believe in infinite spirit. I can't prove it to anyone else, but I have personally experienced and have enough evidence that I am satisfied I do, indeed, have a spirit and that it will go on without the vessel of my body. I can't sell it, trade it or give it away . but, *there are rare moments when it can be shared. I've found it to be very freeing and enlightening and that's the best I can offer on that score as well. Your post best reflects my own beliefs.* I highlighted that which touched me most. Having experienced those rare moments when ; The first time i gazed into the eyes of my second born grandson and his soul recognized mine, and mine his. The first time i met my Master gone, our souls touched, when he left a chunk of mine left as well. The first time Scooter looked into my eyes, i felt the weight of his soul touch mine. The first time i felt one with the earth, the life force of it all. Can your soul be possessed? I think not, you can fill it with love, with good. Or with evil, with malice, with despite, but no matter what you fill it with it is still your own. It cannot be surrendered or held or tainted except by your own self. It is what is left after your flesh expires, to come back, to fill another body on the wheel of time. But it may be shared with another, it may be recognized by one whose soul you've touched before, but in the end it is still your own. How beautifully these expressions match my own concept of my soul. i also believe that a soul is a real and possibly measurable form of energy and as such cannot be created nor destroyed but can be shared, transformed, regenerated. Chemical reactions in my brain cause electrical energy to be transformed to kinetic energy that causes my fingers to type in direct response to my will, it's an amazing thing and not fully understood. How much of any of this do i really "own" and therefore how much can be given away? Souls do touch, share, connect. There is an energy transferance, a sender and a reciever, like radio waves, when two or more are on the same frequency, love happens.

stella41b -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/23/2008 7:22:55 AM)
Okay, you strike a match and what happens? A flame appears, right? The flame goes out and you're left holding a spent match. Now try it again so that you're left holding the flame and not the spent match. Possible? Your soul is just like that flame, it is spirit, it is pure energy. This is you, this is your life force. This is what makes you all who you are. But you are living, you are alive, you have a body, a heart, a brain, you have 'bits' - things you can reach out, touch, squeeze, grab, caress, whatever you like. This is matter. You are living in the material, physical world of matter and energy. When you die you cease to be part of this world, you cease to be physical, you cease to be matter, you become spirit, pure energy and return in some form to the spiritual world. What happens then? Who knows? Well there is one who does - that spirit which is watching you now from the spiritual world. Now you can speculate who or what this is, God, Jesus, Allah, whoever and whatever but the truth remains the same, that you will not recognize who or what this spirit is until you're dead. You cannot give anyone else your soul, and they cannot expect or accept it. You can only offer someone or share that sense of devotion, unconditional love, and develop that Karmic bond. Just my 0.02

Poetryinpain -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/23/2008 8:00:23 AM)
~fr~ I must say that reading this thread has almost been like listening to people pray. (Hope I didn't offend anyone with that.) I won't try to be as eloquent as many of you have been, but I will just say that to me soul equals identity and individuality. It is who and what I am - that inner 'I' that defines me. It is the reason I can't change who I am - sub, slave, bottom, switch, top, dom(me), master/mistress, or even (heaven forbid) vanilla. It is what prompts me to recognize and appreciate beauty in art, music, and nature. To part with that essence of 'me-ness' would be impossible. To give its control over to another would be to become a hollow shell. pip, glad to have a soul

MladyHathor -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/23/2008 8:04:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dnomyar In fewer words than LR put it. You have their total devotion. *yes and IMHO stated in a foolish, starry eyed, fantasy realm that produces delusions of grandeur and gets people into trouble.*

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/24/2008 6:10:57 AM)
Daddy owns all of me ...soul included. let me explain, He wasn't only looking for a submissive daughter but also His soulmate. i'm the yin to His yang or vice versa. though distance does divide us, we share a closeness that doesn't need to be defined physically.

metalmiss -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/24/2008 9:53:57 AM)
my Master owns all of me.. mind, body & soul.. Everything that i am belongs to Him, His property. But that does not mean that i have "given" Him my soul.. i don't consider it to be like that. i have given Him my body, the physical shell of my humanity.. The only thing i am really free to give. In my opinion my soul is not something that can be defined or possessed entirely in order to be 'given' to anybody. It is my view that where my soul is concerned, it is an element of me that is laid open entirely to Him, and in that way Owned as part of the package. As is my mind. It is this openness which allows me to be possessed by Him completely.

batshalom -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/24/2008 2:12:59 PM)
Dear god, I think I'm starting to take science too literally. I see myself as a bundle of biological, chemical, and electrical impulses working together to make me what I am. A soul. Indefinable. Not measurable. It may or may not exist - there's no way to catch one or experiment on it or even see it ... at least not yet. I was driving down the road today, reflecting on a particular difficulty and I thought "Maybe I should pray about this," and then I figured that was the ultimate in hypocritical thoughts and decided to give it a miss. If there is a god who owns my soul, hopefully he will understand my turmoil.

impossiblesub -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/24/2008 2:58:34 PM)
It doesn't mean anything if you don't believe you have a soul or don't believe anyone can own your soul.

stella41b -> RE: The last thing to give up, the soul (4/24/2008 6:31:17 PM)
It could also mean that you stop listening to singers such as James Brown, the Temptations, the Detroit Spinners, Aretha Franklin, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Toni Braxton, etc.

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