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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/17/2008 11:26:07 PM

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YES! perfect, girlie.. that's exactly what I was racking my brain to describe....

Glad I could help.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/17/2008 11:29:23 PM

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/17/2008 11:32:38 PM

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/17/2008 11:34:24 PM

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all this talk has me thinking..wishing.. dammit, I wanna be back in the UK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 12:04:53 AM

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Hear, hear, for jumping in with both feet...or head, first. My approach of choice, to most adventures.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 12:42:02 AM

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WS is a show of domination and submission, of marking someone as your territory, of their being subjected to that indignity. Further still, if they drink.

As such it is humiliation. Humiliation is a baring of the soul, for both, and therefore, intimate.

Their desiring the humility of allowing me to do something that risks their status, such as WS or many other acts, their passion to be invaded like that, makes me feel passion, too.

(That said, not crazy about the smell of urine. Also, bodily fluids lose their appeal, for me, very shortly after they leave the body, when they go cold and no longer seem alive.)

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 1:47:39 AM

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for me it would be degrading and dehumanizing...and before last september i would have told you that anything degrading was totally unacceptable...then i had a one night thing with a Dom who broke past that barrier with me...others have mentioned doing things just because it turned the other person on...and it often comes up when talking about pain play - how much pain a s-type will take for the D=type...that night i took a lot of degredation and enjoyed it for the enjoyment that this Dom got out of it...and i met him that night, had no idea who he was...found out the next day that he was reputable...found out later that week, after i went home (we were at a national event), just how reputable he is...i don't recomend that anyone else do what i did...in fact i came home and got a lecture and a punishment of sorts from chosen family for doing it...but anyway...

all that being said...i would not enjoy it, for the humiliation of it, for the degredation of it, for the "passionate gift from masters" - to me, it's just gross, it is the by product of the human body's liquid waste system (i much prefer blood - a life giving body fluid, giving more than taking, but i will take too) - but when it comes down to it...if that was something a D-type really, really enjoyed and got off on, i could feed off his energy to get through it and possibly even enjoy it....

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 1:48:55 AM

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to answer your q, it can be both or neither, its all about intention.

i love ws, deeply intimate and always opens a door to the psyche that is differnt each time.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 1:52:49 AM

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It depends on your perspective. Everyone is different.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 2:04:01 AM

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Sure it is symbolic in a marking her way and humiliating. After play, put her in the tub and piss on her. Intimate. Also, a twist for a punishment can be making her piss standing up one day...everytime she pisses she has to get in the tub and do it standing.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 2:17:38 AM

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for us it's an act of mutual worship. There is no humiliation in it, it's almost a sacred act.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 2:21:45 AM

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i was introduced to golden showers....in the shower. A former Dominant came into the bathroom while i was taking a shower, tapped on the curtain and told me to kneel facing toward the curtain and close my eyes. There was the sound of the shower curtain being pulled and then a very warm stream over my face.

While i didn't find it hott necessarily i did find it a very intimate moment. Master knows that i feel this way and frankly i think it is an 'on a whim' thing for us. i absolutely love that if Master has the sudden thought of 'I could just pee on her' He knows He can act upon His whim.

A lot people think of a Master as a solid, strong, almost stone-like, that they should have no insecurities or weaknesses. Unitating is a vulnerable thing in a way. Part of my job as His slave is to be that place where He can be vulnerable without fear.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 2:46:57 AM

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When ive done it to my boy its been more about hey your mine and I can do what I want on you. He likes the humiliation side of it and we both enjoy the intimacy of it. I guess it depends how your actually doing it in the scene.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 2:51:56 AM

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or the dog finds out-and becomes jealous.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 3:09:26 AM

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I'm interested in hearing from both subs and doms, their experience and their perspective on this. Being a sub, I find it humuliating, but that is what turns me on. I wonder who receives more pleasure from the scene, the master of the slave? Interested in hearing what the majority of the BDSM community's opinions are on this topic.

Extremely intimate.
Delicious.
Warm.
Like being marked as property.
The scent of piss is either the right one, or just completely nauseating.
Printive.
But also therapeutic: I believe this to be so.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine_therapy

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 4:07:04 AM

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This was an enlightening thread for a morning's read. (Even the doggy references that almost made coffee come out my nose...)

I've spent my entire life thinking WS was just gross. I just couldn't wrap my head around that desire. But then, there are lots of things sound bad until you try them. I know my problem with it was the fact that as first the youngest daughter & sister, then as a mom and a small business person - I have always been the one who had to clean the bathroom, change diapers, clean up the mess. The thought of deliberately urinating 'where it doesn't belong' clicked all those "I don't wanna clean that up!" triggers.

Until I came across the right sub. Damn. His reaction is what makes it hot! He is a drinker and actually seems so enraptured by 'receiving the Ghoddess's gift' directly into his mouth. It's his highest reward. Honestly, I still don't understand why he loves it so much, but there are lots of fetishes that I can't quite wrap my head around. I just acknowledge that they exist and move on. For me, knowing how he feels about it gives me extra control. And I'm a control freak.

When he's good, he gets to drink. When he's bad (Hell, he's never bad - I just get in bad moods and feel like punishing him) I can jerk his head back and urinate on his shoulder. The look of pure agony on his face is priceless. He tries to catch it on his fingers for a taste while it's still hot and sits in the cold puddle while I berate him for being nasty and smelly and 'What the hell is that doing on My Floor?' and he has to clean it up, mostly with his tongue. Positively divine.

When you're a Domme with a humiliation freak for a sub, who ALSO loves pain... it can be difficult to find a punishment that he doesn't enjoy.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 4:08:57 AM

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1st post ever on here ;-)
I had my second session of BDSM today that I've even had in my life, and my Dom led me to the shower on my hands and knees, told me what he was going to do, checked with me this was okay (and I so appreciate his patience and kindness in the way he introduces me to all these new experiences)... and then he pissed on me,.... he asked me to open my mouth and I happily complied and he pissed in my mouth. I was in heaven. I felt 'so submissive'.
I can only say that I let him do this because he has built up an enormous amount of trust between us in many, many online conversations and the two meetings we've had in real life before today... one a coffee/chat meeting and the other a first BDSM session.
Never, ever, would I have imagined even a month ago that I would let any man piss on me.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 8:29:58 AM

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I'm with the others who say the intention can vary, it doesn't HAVE to be any particular meaning. It's the meaning the 2 (or more in a poly?) people involved choose to give to it.

Personally, as both Domme and sub, it is an intimate connection, not something I would do with a casual play partner, there has to be that desire to be that intimate. It's almost more intimate than sex in that it is a very vulnerable moment for both the pisser and the pissee! Both tend to have performance anxiety ... will I actually be able to release it? can i take it? I may not do it very often ... but I remember those times with great clarity and affection. I don't experience any humiliation at all as either Domme or sub, but I can understand that some do.

Practically, the shower or tub is a good place to start, makes clean-up nice and easy and showering together after simply continues the intimacy. Drinking plenty of water in the lead up dilutes the urine, and that makes it a bit less scented and a bit easier to take. Nonetheless, the face can be confronting, other good positions include:
* the sub kneeling facing away and pissing down their back (gives that nice "ooh tingly" feeling that things running down your back gives!),
* over the head and in the hair (NOT if she spent a fortune at the hairdresser though!) or over a man's bald pate,
* turn a girl round to face you and piss down over her breasts and belly,
* piss directly and forcefully on either male or female genitals,
* have them lie face up and piss over the torso (the splashes add a nice touch),
* use a plastic chair, have the receiver sit on it and then sit on their lap and wet them ... or
* both stand up, wrap your legs around a bit and just piss on their feet.

All give different sensations and may provoke different reactions and feelings. Of course, for the more adventurous, outside is heaps of fun, just don't piss over a bull ant's nest, they don't like it!

Steel, watching is another common fetish, I enjoy watching males and females pee and as sub i enjoy being watched. There's an open bathroom door policy in this house for good reason

. In that case, there is something delightfully naughty about it, takes me back to when i was a little girl and needing to go suddenly, and Dad hoisting me over a hedge into a field and having to go then and there ... actually, must be a thing with fields as somewhat later it was the family dog who pissed all over me that probably got me turned on to this LOL! There I was lying down picking the blackberries off the bottom of the bush (in England) and the dog unloaded all over my skirt, I was soaked. Yet I remember enjoying the sensation ... it was just Mum that was horrified LOL! Anyway, getting back to watching, there are other games to be played, such as RELEASE! and STOP! games. Much easier for females, rather hard for males ... lovely fun watching them squirm with the effort and all the pelvic and butt muscles working and ...

OK OK yes this is a favourite, you guessed it!

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

PS The Human Biologist part of Me really doesn't recommend wholesale consumption of urine. While it might be bacteriologically close to sterile, it does contain urea which is a nitrogenous waste, a toxic product of metabolism that the urinator's body is keen to be rid of. Makes no sense at all to Me for someone else to drink it all, effectively doubling the workload of their own kidneys. Also, it may contain the byproducts of medications and some of those can be dangerous to other people. A few drops, in the "cleaning up" process probably won't do damage even if regular, or occasional greater amounts may be OK ... but I would baulk at regular, repeated consumption of someone else's urine load. Just My advice, YMMV.

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 10:53:27 AM

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xoxoxoxo right back at cha Greedy Top :)

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RE: Are WS an act of humuliation for sub or a passionat... - 4/18/2008 11:03:09 AM

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Thank you so very much MaamJay I appreciate the info.

I asked the girl about it and she was against it and scared but did assure me that she would if I wanted and instantly I no longer wanted to.

Apparently part of the kink for me is that they already be into the idea of it.

Thank you everyone who offered insight.

I appreciate the info and sentiments

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