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RE: Feelings - 4/18/2008 7:12:00 PM   
angelwithhonor


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Status: offline 		thank you and it does feel that battle of her very being is almost being won..i am so trying..i take the days one by one...and try to move forward with my two feet....even have to some drag my ass out of bed ..lol...well at least when i am in it i dont have to make it..grins

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RE: Feelings - 4/18/2008 7:15:26 PM   
Aneirin


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thank you and it does feel that battle of her very being is almost being won..i am so trying..i take the days one by one...and try to move forward with my two feet....even have to some drag my ass out of bed ..lol...well at least when i am in it i dont have to make it..grins


Try this place;

http://www.depressionforums.org/

Good people that know are there.





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RE: Feelings - 4/18/2008 7:18:18 PM   
angelwithhonor


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Status: offline 		thank you agian..just added it to my favorites..didnt know anything exsisted but should know by now you can find or create ...its the net....peace to you...

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RE: Feelings - 4/18/2008 8:32:22 PM   
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Shall I go look it up and bring back evidence, then? =D

 
No need, though I’m sure it would be an interesting read.
 
That was just me, focusing on one thing, to the point that I missed something else. Doh!!
 
Of course I can’t speak for your Mum, but it seems to me this particular person just doesn’t have it in her. I can only assume, she either never had it in her, or something happened to her when she was young, as well.
 
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Yikes... a fist Dom sounds awful scary... I hate to think what he does, and where he puts his fists...


Yea, he was just one big fist.. lol...
 
and I suck at proof reading my posts; especially when I'm in a hurry.

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RE: Feelings - 4/18/2008 8:39:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did the numbness occur prior to the onset date of medication or afterwards. Because if afterwards, then get the medication changed.

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RE: Feelings - 4/18/2008 10:12:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

If someone were to say that they felt numb, or dead to everything, not meaning physically numb, but in feeling, how would you describe what they are feeling, and how would you suggest a remedy ?



Could be a number of reasons. And, as folks here have said, seeking professional help is the best way to go, imo. However, one thing that is sometimes overlooked is the person who is numb may have a history of drinking too much ( usually, alcoholically). I've experienced this for myself. Years ago I drank alcoholically to dull my unpleasant feelings. It worked amazingly well for some time, untill it bit me in the ass, of course.In those days, I felt nothing, except for anger and occasionally, rage. After I got sober, and sober takes awhile and more than just not drinking, little by little my capacity to feel  the wide range of emotions returned.  Just someting to consider.


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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 12:33:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah yes, the all too common solution of "self-medicating".
Way too many of my friends and family members went down that path, some are still stumbling home from the bars late at night. 

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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 12:47:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Ok, another one, if that person who might be clinically depressed thought they knew a way to get out of their current state, and wished to try, would you advise against the actions or wish them the best of luck ?

I say actions, in that there is a possibility that what they intend to do, might be a road to nowhere, but they are aware of that, but still wish to try, as they believe a large part of ridding the condition has to be achieved by themself and not just the medications and counselling they are receiving, they have got that far.



I have not read the entirety of the thread, so forgive me if I am speaking out of turn.

As one who has been down that road, I had to do something first. I was destroying myself and had to move back to Texas, where my friends and some family are, to get centered or grounded again, then get some therapy.

Not knowing what actions you are speaking of, I cannot offer any advice, but if they feel that is something that can help, I would advise they seek counseling on top of it. If they do not have adequate insurance to cover it, there are community outreach centers who may be able to help as well, although I cannot vouch for the methodologies or ability to help, obviously.

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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 2:46:03 AM   
MadameMarque


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Status: offline 		I would ask, what is this course of action the person is considering?  Is it self-destroying?  Because if so, I would definitely discourage them.

I could discuss further, why.

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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 3:06:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: angelwithhonor

hugs to you ophe...its a struggle daily to get out of bed..cant work..i feel non productive...i have a wonderful Dom that is trying so hard to help..this is something that isnt something that someone can make happiness istantly..my family doesnt get it at all...i have a 12 year son..thats had a shitty year with his mom having such probles..i do still feel lost..but i do think for me that is that i can only survive with the meds..i was on lexapro..but it didnt mix at all with lithum and limictral...if i spelled it right..and these meds are so expenisve to say the least..but i am sorry i read your post wrong..my heart goes out to anyone who suffers depression and all that go with it...
Lexapro is just the S-enantiomer of citalopram. (Escitaloprem; e = enantiomer, S = S stereoisomer). It's the same thing as Celexa, basically. Think of it like this: Celexa has two mirror-images of the molecule. Lexapro has one of the mirror images removed. No big deal, really.

As an aside: here's an example of the "research" the righties point to when they justify high pharm prices. This should have been turned down at the Patent Office, if the Patent office were impartial.

There are alternatives to lithium, better ones, but, again, they are expensive as hell.

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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 3:14:40 AM   
Aneirin


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Status: offline 		For a desire to say, it is not a quest to self medicate, as that is a way down, not up. The person is secure on the required medication and has the support of counselling. The direction the person wishes to take, is to pursue a question that perhaps was contributory to the initial condition, the condition  a misunderstanding from earlier in their life and a situation that the  person feels has to be explored for healing of the self to take place.

In counselling, the quest has been discussed, the counsellor agrees that healing may take place if this direction is pursued as he believes the avoidance of the situation is a contributory factor in the initial condition.


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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 4:48:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then I would say to them, prepare yourself, by all means available, to act on this from a stable, happy base.  That is, let your current life be as stable and happy as possible, for it to be a best possible, real-world place to return to, when you do decide to address painful stuff from the past.  They'll want a welcoming, supportive reality to come back to, after the rough adventure of addressing hardships of the past, that are still effecting them now.

This means, give themselves the freedom to enjoy something, in the now.  Have friends who care, to be around, when things get heavy.

Then, I'd say, let yourself notice how, in the now, you can enjoy and have friends and support and have some happy times.  Even as you're acknowledging that something from the past is effecting you, know that you can make your own now.  It won't have you forever, really.

I would say these things, to them.

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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 10:58:48 AM   
charmdpetKeira


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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

The direction the person wishes to take, is to pursue a question that perhaps was contributory to the initial condition, the condition  a misunderstanding from earlier in their life and a situation that the  person feels has to be explored for healing of the self to take place.


I have done this.
 
I found it is important to remember to experience as if past is present.
 
My stuff was from when I was a kid; I had to think like I did back then, to figure out where my thinking was faulty. Then reassess with my present day abilities.
 
It helped a lot. Unfortunately, I think I am still missing a piece of my puzzle.
 
I hope if they decide to go forward, it works for them.
 
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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 4:00:48 PM   
RCdc


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Status: offline 		And what if the counsellor is diagnosing incorrectly?
What if the counsellor doesn't have the full information?
And what if the 'quest' or direction could cause the person physical or mental harm?
 
It is an impossible question for anyone here to answer A unless they know the path that is wished to be taken.  Particularly when that quest changes with the moment and the mood.
 
And for the record, blushes and I don't often agree - but on this - she is absolutely spot on IMO.
 
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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 9:20:36 PM   
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--Everyone has highs and lows though. Even you do. Bipolar is when the highs and lows are VERY extreme. They change for no reason whatsoever (there is no trigger) and the periods of the highs or lows can be short or even longer term. Regardless, you could have mistaken their "high" to be something it isn't.



Not all bipolars get the highs, mania or even hypomania. My daughter cycles between suicidal depression and anger, about every five minutes prior to Lamictal coming onto the market. No mania, no hypomania, no highs. Ever.

Between the Lamictal and her generalized anxiety disorder controlled, she's doing great.

And most mood disorder types have several mood disorders. They go by the charming name of comorbid. She has bipolar, anxiety, sensory integration dysfunction, ADHD, oppositional defiance and seasonal affective disorder. The S.A.D. means that during the winter months she has both bipolar and depression. Not one or the other, both.

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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 10:44:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

If someone were to say that they felt numb, or dead to everything, not meaning physically numb, but in feeling, how would you describe what they are feeling, and how would you suggest a remedy ?



There is no remedy. Numb/dead is not a feeling, its a lack of feeling where there is supposed to be one. Its a void inside someone that never goes away on its own. throughout my lifetime I've become numb to a lot of things that most people couldn't eveen function without. Usually you know you're numb when a situation happens that makes everyone around you feel a certain way but you are completely unaffected by it. You can't even relate to what they're feeling cuz you just can't recognize that feeling in yourself.

Numb or dead is being dead but still alive. I'm not completely dead on the inside, only part of me is. I've met people who are completely dead on the inside and you can feel the lack energy coming from them. They could kill anyone and just walk away and act completely normal. They could see the most disturbing site and not even react to it. They're kinda like the terminator, but only human.

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RE: Feelings - 4/19/2008 11:03:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Feeling numb is a sad state of affairs. For me it is an inability to express what I really am feeling. Usually there are very intense feelings being held down and the numbness is often guilt. Example if someone is feeling something like rage or terror, that is not really accepted in our society. The person might feel like a 'bad' person for the feelings, or a 'loser'. It is easier to get distracted and shove the feelings down and out. It is very helpful to attempt to gain acceptance for all the emotions going on within. It helps to mobilize what is there and the numbness can move off the top of it all. I dont mean act out the emotions as much as maybe yelling into a pillow. Being safe expressing intense emotions is important these days. Feeling them and moving them privately is the best recourse although it doesnt always work out like that, it is a good way to go.

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RE: Feelings - 4/20/2008 1:43:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		According to my hypothesis of the mind  clinical depression - having no feelings / life - is a natural, optimal condition for the natural - i.e. true - submissive. My recommendation is to get a natural dominant and to abstain from any medication.

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