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ORIGINAL: JustaTop

And when he decides that not getting through on the phone means an in person appearance? And HE comes armed? What then?

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

Ok, I have said this twice now on this post, but apparently, it either is not read, or not understood, so one more time.

In the UNITED STATES, nearly every state, including Oregon which this incident is occuring, have stalking laws. STALKING LAWS DO NOT REQUIRE PHYSICAL CONTACT TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE BEING ACTED UPON.

Typically, a restraining order requires an actual act of violence in order to be obtained, but stalking laws have changed this requirement. Further, while often the police MAY try to indicate that they are unable to do something, this IS NOT THE CASE. You don't even need a police officer for a restraining order, they can be obtained by going to the local courthouse.

candigirlll,

I understand you are a pain slut, but does that mean that you consent that during your play, you would LIKE to have as an end result the need to be hospitalized? Further, it would be very nice if everyone said what they meant and meant what they said, but this does not always happen. In reality, there is only one thing anyone needs to say...NO. Telling someone you are not interested and that you would like them to leave you alone is all it takes to turn the situation from a "nifty little fantasy game" into criminal activity if the communication continues.

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ORIGINAL: JustaTop

And when he decides that not getting through on the phone means an in person appearance? And HE comes armed? What then?

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ORIGINAL: angelic

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

Ok, I have said this twice now on this post, but apparently, it either is not read, or not understood, so one more time.

In the UNITED STATES, nearly every state, including Oregon which this incident is occuring, have stalking laws. STALKING LAWS DO NOT REQUIRE PHYSICAL CONTACT TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE BEING ACTED UPON.

Typically, a restraining order requires an actual act of violence in order to be obtained, but stalking laws have changed this requirement. Further, while often the police MAY try to indicate that they are unable to do something, this IS NOT THE CASE. You don't even need a police officer for a restraining order, they can be obtained by going to the local courthouse.

candigirlll,

I understand you are a pain slut, but does that mean that you consent that during your play, you would LIKE to have as an end result the need to be hospitalized? Further, it would be very nice if everyone said what they meant and meant what they said, but this does not always happen. In reality, there is only one thing anyone needs to say...NO. Telling someone you are not interested and that you would like them to leave you alone is all it takes to turn the situation from a "nifty little fantasy game" into criminal activity if the communication continues.

i can only say how i believe restraining orders work here in Washington. a Motion for a Restraining Order is first filed... the other party MUST be served and they have a right to appear in court on the day of the hearing. Then the restraining order is put in place and typically it's a 10 day process. i'm not sure what the process is if the person cannot be served personally.

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

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ORIGINAL: angelic

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

Ok, I have said this twice now on this post, but apparently, it either is not read, or not understood, so one more time.

In the UNITED STATES, nearly every state, including Oregon which this incident is occuring, have stalking laws. STALKING LAWS DO NOT REQUIRE PHYSICAL CONTACT TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE BEING ACTED UPON.

Typically, a restraining order requires an actual act of violence in order to be obtained, but stalking laws have changed this requirement. Further, while often the police MAY try to indicate that they are unable to do something, this IS NOT THE CASE. You don't even need a police officer for a restraining order, they can be obtained by going to the local courthouse.

candigirlll,

I understand you are a pain slut, but does that mean that you consent that during your play, you would LIKE to have as an end result the need to be hospitalized? Further, it would be very nice if everyone said what they meant and meant what they said, but this does not always happen. In reality, there is only one thing anyone needs to say...NO. Telling someone you are not interested and that you would like them to leave you alone is all it takes to turn the situation from a "nifty little fantasy game" into criminal activity if the communication continues.

i can only say how i believe restraining orders work here in Washington. a Motion for a Restraining Order is first filed... the other party MUST be served and they have a right to appear in court on the day of the hearing. Then the restraining order is put in place and typically it's a 10 day process. i'm not sure what the process is if the person cannot be served personally.

The point, dear angelic, is that you are speaking about what "you believe" to be the case without having the legal knowledge or background of the laws and realities that surround it. I, on the other hand, am NOT speaking from that perspective.

There are several ways that restraining orders are done. Typically something called a TRO, or "temperory restraining order" is put in place IMMEDIATELY if you have proven that one is indeed necessary. Certainly the person it is against must be served, but that does not negate the restraining order's validity until that occurs, which is also typically done by police/sheriff's departments. Then, a court date is set approximately a week later to determine if a final or permanent restraining order is warranted.

With the new stalking laws, you don't need to wait until you have been physically attacked to take action, but there are other stipulations that must be met to qualify the "problem" as "stalking". A TRO can typically be obtained quite easily if you know what you are doing (or have someone who knows helping you) and not much more than your word is needed. The final order is where the actual proof will be required.

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

Ok, I have said this twice now on this post, but apparently, it either is not read, or not understood, so one more time.

In the UNITED STATES, nearly every state, including Oregon which this incident is occuring, have stalking laws. STALKING LAWS DO NOT REQUIRE PHYSICAL CONTACT TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE BEING ACTED UPON.

Typically, a restraining order requires an actual act of violence in order to be obtained, but stalking laws have changed this requirement. Further, while often the police MAY try to indicate that they are unable to do something, this IS NOT THE CASE. You don't even need a police officer for a restraining order, they can be obtained by going to the local courthouse.

candigirlll,

I understand you are a pain slut, but does that mean that you consent that during your play, you would LIKE to have as an end result the need to be hospitalized? Further, it would be very nice if everyone said what they meant and meant what they said, but this does not always happen. In reality, there is only one thing anyone needs to say...NO. Telling someone you are not interested and that you would like them to leave you alone is all it takes to turn the situation from a "nifty little fantasy game" into criminal activity if the communication continues.

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ORIGINAL: Quivverrestraining orders

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ORIGINAL: JustaTop

And when he decides that not getting through on the phone means an in person appearance? And HE comes armed? What then?

There are self defence classes that will teach you how to take a gun from another
who is at a close distance and pointing it at you, it will differ depending on the type
of gun. Most domestic altercations when a Gun is involved are if memory serves
me correctly within 25 feet. Then again many will brandish without intent in an
attempt to scare. Others will shoot. The suggestion of her buying a Gun would
all depend on her mind set, could she use it? Could she get to it fast enough?
Would he just take it from her? Lots of what if's in my opinion. Although I am all
for Gun ownership they dont belong in the hands of everyone, but everyone
does need to know the basics.

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and really if the problem is that serious all the talk of a restraining order is really worthless... my g/f is sitting here reading this with me.. he hubby had a restraining order... but see you cant just call and say he is ther and they will pick him up they have to catch him there.. so she called three or 4 times but he was always gone when the cops got there... so they could do nothing.. he came back one night and broke in her house it was kinda poetic justice he tripped on one of the kids toys and shot himself in the throat.. he does live... but he came to kill her.. so that restraining order did not do her a bit of good and i think if someone truely wants to get to that girl he will...