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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/14/2005 11:41:51 AM

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That sounds like a difficult decision. As a person involved in the situation, you have to trust your own judgment and instinct beyond those on the outside. Your friend is fortunate.

Good luck.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/14/2005 11:50:00 AM

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Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.......... I recommend this only if you feel it is a last resort and her safety is truly involved. If this doesn't stop soon you MIGHT consider something that will make them think twice. Start out by taking several pictures of these guys and be sure they SEE you doing it. Then maybe let them see you sitting in a parked car next to theirs while sharpening your hunting knife. If that doesn't seem to help you might send them a picture of an electric chair or a Glock 9 in a cop's holster. No note. NO THREAT of any kind. Be VERY careful with what you do cause you could be working on the wrong side of the law. Do NOT do anything that could be construed as a direct threat to them personally. This is very risky but it might make them back off if they feel like they are the prey now and not the stalker.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/14/2005 8:27:36 PM

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I did assume that someone knew this guy's full name and other identifying information. While the cops DO need that for restraining/stalking (how else do they know who it is against), they CAN patrol your friend's neighborhood a lot more often and keep a closer watch. It sounds as though your conversation with the officer, while a bit difficult, was not really horrible, so you should be able to get them to do that much.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/14/2005 9:22:43 PM

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HEY!!!!!

Its time this community came together and said enough is enough. The sheriff dept and a local dept, have gotten involved as much as they can. They are aware of these people and the truth is as follows....

MODERATORS, please note. This is factual information from a law enforcement agency. At least one of the members of this group of stalkers has a serious criminal background. They have done prison time, for sexual assualts against women. These people are hiding among us, and using the lifestyle to act out their intentions. ALSO, the story of them putting a girl (Yes, I said girl meaning minor) in a hospital. Has come back with a positive potential match of an actual assualt committed in 2004. The threat here is real.

Also, it has been discovered that these people range from the California to Canadian border. This is not affecting just a small portion of one state anymore.

I'm asking every single one of you Dominant, Switches, Submissives, and Slaves. If you have heard of anything, remotely close to what is going on here. Please, do not be afraid to come forward with information. There are key factors that are similiar in all their attacks.

Moderators, this requires are attention as a community. Also it requires your participation as these individuals have made reference to this site, as well as other similiar sites. There is a potential of them using these site to find their victims.

As a whole, we need to stand up and say "Enough is enough"!

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/14/2005 10:10:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

I did assume that someone knew this guy's full name and other identifying information. While the cops DO need that for restraining/stalking (how else do they know who it is against), they CAN patrol your friend's neighborhood a lot more often and keep a closer watch. It sounds as though your conversation with the officer, while a bit difficult, was not really horrible, so you should be able to get them to do that much.

It sounds like some information like names, etc. is known (otherwise how could the Poster know the criminal history? i don't think criminal history can be found out without a name or some information). So, i think a restraining order (as you suggested a couple of days ago) be filed.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/14/2005 10:46:50 PM

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But lets assume that you are entirely correct, and this guy is a serious threat to your friend. Your friend needs to stop looking at this as a victim and start taking steps to protect herself. My advice would be for her to buy a small dog (the nervous yappy kind) and a big gun.

#1 My experience in life is that anyone that threatens you either means it or is bluffing. Until you are SAFELY out of reach (and I do not mean arms-length) assume they are not bluffing. Don't try to take his hand and explain to him that you don't want him in your life.

Maybe the original post is 100% hype but if there is a 1% chance she could wind up 100% dead I would recommend you not take that chance. Situation as described hits my insaneometer. Bells ringing.

This is NOT imho how you introduce a sub or slave into the scene or lifestyle.

Maybe she knew all of this, maybe she didn't Im going with what was originally posted.

Don't bother with a yappy dog - they are easily kicked aside and a sadist as described will have no hesitation in doing so. If you want a dog and are willing to take care of it (hours a day just like a child) then get a big dog, the kind that are bred to protect and do your research beforehand - many breeders out there breeed for pure profit not for quality of dog and it's characteristics. Anyone with a brain can get around a dog and as you describe this person...

Call me paranoid but when your life is at stake there are no higher stakes.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/14/2005 10:48:24 PM

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quote:

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But lets assume that you are entirely correct, and this guy is a serious threat to your friend. Your friend needs to stop looking at this as a victim and start taking steps to protect herself. My advice would be for her to buy a small dog (the nervous yappy kind) and a big gun.

Forgot to mention this. Most people are killed with their own gun.
(Do your own research;-)

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/14/2005 10:51:03 PM

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Forgot to mention this. Most people are killed with their own gun.

Sigh, forgot the qualifiers, if you own a gun you are more likely to be killed with it than someone elses gun.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/14/2005 10:51:50 PM

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Angelic, this is not against you. But, we only got the name today after the police ran the lic plate of the vehicle that they drove up in. The people she met with, were not the individual named.

The local agency is now in charge of this investigation... It is in their hands. All we can do is, help to keep her safe until they decide to act.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/15/2005 4:35:59 AM

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angelic that is what i was just thinking... it sounds like some BS being laid down here lol... he said they dont know their names so there could not be a RO put in place... yet they ran a background on these guys ..too funny... which they have to have a name for to run a back ground.. plus if there has been a act against a child... and he has been convicted of it... then his name could be posted in form..it is legal... something sounds real fishy here... like as the BS churns.. stay tuned lmao to the same bat time same bat channel....

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/15/2005 10:45:37 AM

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Okay, guess it is time for a timeline of events so that we can follow what is going on here.

As of 12 Oct; all we had was supposed first names and two locations of the three individuals involved. I was also given two images of the alledged stalkers. Plus a series of threats of action against my friend. An evening meeting was set up for in a public location, a local resturant. Was the only one who showed.

13 Oct; Spent the night talking with the head of this group trying to get some useful information. It was this conversation that gave me information about the attack. I notified the local sheriff dept, about the the threats and my concern. I also give the deputy, the information about the alledged attack. My friend also agreed to a meeting with them, set for 11 the next morning.

14 Oct; The stalker calls to say they are running late. Push the meeting out to 12:30. My friend, meets with one of the stalkers. The sheriff dept who is watching the meeting. Runs the plate of the vehicle they drive up in. They come up with a name, location, and criminal record. It is not the person, my friend meets with. I am informed after the meeting, of the information concerning the stalkers. I am also notified, that they have a potential match with an attack victim that occured in Apr 2004. The details I was given the night before, match the details of the attack.

The sheriff dept is now aware of this and is running their own investigation. But, they can only act if these people make a move first. Just because, we have a known criminal involved. That is not reason enough for the police to make an arrest. Harassment, stalking, and verbal/electronic threats do not constitute any arrestable criminal act.

If you want to discuss this in more detail, please write me

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/15/2005 10:13:28 PM

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angelic that is what i was just thinking... it sounds like some BS being laid down here lol... he said they dont know their names so there could not be a RO put in place... yet they ran a background on these guys ..too funny... which they have to have a name for to run a back ground.. plus if there has been a act against a child... and he has been convicted of it... then his name could be posted in form..it is legal... something sounds real fishy here... like as the BS churns.. stay tuned lmao to the same bat time same bat channel....

They didn't "run" a background, the statements were based on what they were told by the people claiming the activities.

I just wish that people had the common sense to look back at the posts before they start claiming everything is "BS". If this had been done, it would be clear from the "updates" that additional information was obtained as things progressed.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/16/2005 1:29:18 PM

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Don't bother with a yappy dog - they are easily kicked aside and a sadist as described will have no hesitation in doing so. If you want a dog and are willing to take care of it (hours a day just like a child) then get a big dog, the kind that are bred to protect and do your research beforehand - many breeders out there breed for pure profit not for quality of dog and it's characteristics. Anyone with a brain can get around a dog and as you describe this person...

First off, I don't disagree with you that a yappy dog is no deterant for someone. I was referring to them as an early warning system. Nervous yappy dogs make outstanding alarm systems.

Big dogs are really not much better as a deterent. Although there are exceptions, most dogs are not trained to actually fight a human, they are trained under the assumption that the dog will put an attacker on the defensive. When you attack a dog, it will usually go into a defensive mode. If you break or dislocate its jaw, it will usually back down, no matter how well trained it is.

"...and sadist as described would have no hesitation in doing so."

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Forgot to mention this. Most people are killed with their own gun.

Excellent point! Gun ownership does not make for a good self-defense if one is untrained, or unwilling to use it. Along with research, some soul searching might be a good idea too...

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The sheriff dept is now aware of this and is running their own investigation. But, they can only act if these people make a move first. Just because, we have a known criminal involved. That is not reason enough for the police to make an arrest. Harassment, stalking, and verbal/electronic threats do not constitute any arrestable criminal act.

I really don't even know what to say to this that won't sound like "I told you so." I know you did what you felt was the right thing to do. I sincerely hope it works out for your friend. I also hope that my assesment of the police involvement will be proven wrong in her case. Please do keep us updated.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/16/2005 1:52:08 PM

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no not at all... but like i said... i am just wondering if this girl to impress him had said she liked this that or the other and now he is acting on it and she is playing victim.. i have seen this done many times... i do beleive that a female is able to say no at anytime... but if you teach a dog to leave the fish but he can eat all the chicken he wants... and you feed him chicken for months... and then one day you have YOU'RE chicken sitting on a plate and the dog eats it lmao.. you cant hardley put all the blame on the dog can you?

Unlike a situation involving a dog that has modified behavior patterns you're talking about a supposedly adult male - who should know what NO means.

Dangling something in front of him or not aside he should understand what those two little letters side by side indicate.

[sarcasm]I love when people turn things around and blame the victim... "She was asking for it that short skirt wearing tramp!"[/sarcasm]

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/16/2005 4:58:38 PM

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MODERATORS, please note. This is factual information from a law enforcement agency. At least one of the members of this group of stalkers has a serious criminal background. They have done prison time, for sexual assualts against women. These people are hiding among us, and using the lifestyle to act out their intentions. ALSO, the story of them putting a girl (Yes, I said girl meaning minor) in a hospital. Has come back with a positive potential match of an actual assualt committed in 2004. The threat here is real. .................................. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm that is funny for them to KNOW all that about the people to know the have sexual assualt back grounds and to KNOW they have crimal history they would have to KNOW who the hell those people ARE... and they would have HAD to run a back ground check on them no???? because that was staight for his post...

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/16/2005 5:04:47 PM

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i would suggest you READ it they did run the plates and come up with the name and came up with the crimal history... YOU need to read lmao

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/16/2005 5:14:36 PM

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no not at all however in another lifestyle sight.. on the net.. this girl told this Dom for months in a public room how her fantasy is to have him watch her but her no know it.. and for her not to know when but him get in her house and be waiting... and do a rape scene.. she claimed to really beinto edge play la la la la .... he did and she called the cops .. came back in alt and told everyone how he ws too rough and he wa so abusive... SHE gave her address... yes she was saying stap stop stop... he said he thought it was all part of the scene being she had been givin a safe word she NEVER used... he got probation... he had to out himself...in court with all his family who knew nothing about his lifestyle..so hell yea.. some times girl just freeking ask for what they get...

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/16/2005 6:16:15 PM

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It seems we have a pretty good mix of opinions here. Some are generally interested in how this works out. While others are ready to toss this in with all the other internet BS that floats around out there. Sorry for the piss poor attitude tonight.

Asked a moderator, for their input. Got told to tell it to support. Asked support to co-operate with the sheriff dept investigation. They are only concerned about if someone on the site is doing or posting something illegal on the site. Refered me TOS.

Got into a fight with my friend because she is holding back information I need to help protect her.

I'm to a point where I can't do this alone, anymore. And every venue I turn to for help, seems to just shut another door. I feel like I'm the only one taking this serious.

I know some of you, have looked up some information. Thank you for taking the time out of your lives to help. Listen, I work 40+ hrs a week at my choosen career. I then come home and work at this, on my time. I do it, because I can make a difference. I also want to know that, another predator has been removed from our lives. So that nobody else has to suffer.

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/16/2005 6:21:15 PM

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let me say because i relise i was not clear in what i posted... i was not suggesting that it was YOU that was BS ing but i think perhaps the girl may be.. because she is giving you mixed information and now like you say she is hold back info that can help you help her.... and i am sure she has some weird reason for doing so.. but if i really thought someone wanted to do me harm and they knew where i lived i would one not be in my house and two i would give all the info i had ... and by you saying she is with holding information that could help you just kinda goes along with what i have been saying the whole time.. and i am sorry that you may being drug into something that she prob created for attention and you took serious...

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RE: Sadist vs Stalker - - 10/16/2005 6:27:01 PM

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i would suggest you READ it they did run the plates and come up with the name and came up with the crimal history... YOU need to read lmao

And again, try following the timeline.

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no not at all however in another lifestyle sight.. on the net.. this girl told this Dom for months in a public room how her fantasy is to have him watch her but her no know it.. and for her not to know when but him get in her house and be waiting... and do a rape scene.. she claimed to really beinto edge play la la la la .... he did and she called the cops .. came back in alt and told everyone how he ws too rough and he wa so abusive... SHE gave her address... yes she was saying stap stop stop... he said he thought it was all part of the scene being she had been givin a safe word she NEVER used... he got probation... he had to out himself...in court with all his family who knew nothing about his lifestyle..so hell yea.. some times girl just freeking ask for what they get...

No means no, and a problem with safewords in a scene like that is for some people when they become far too scared by what is happening, they may not be capable of remembering to use their safe word. It would be the "dom's" duty to make sure that her "no's" were part of the scene before progressing. So it seems that the guy got exactly what he deserved. If he was not experienced enough or smart enough to protect himself when he heard the word no, then it is his own fault.

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