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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

Disagree.

It's often used as an excuse to perpetuate the worst things imaginable.

Hitler justified killing the jews and other "enemies  of the state" through his "Love of the Aryan race."

It can be the most fucked up thing you can think of-if used as a rationalization.

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ORIGINAL: Loveisallyouneed

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

There is no problem with feeling "self important" as long as the 'self is being represented accurately and the definition of self 'importance' represents fact when the representation is tested in the light of day, or, in this case, within a relationship. Coming in without integrity and attracting someone with lies would doom anyone eventually. The open trusting person, may not do anything up front, but eventually, when the work of 'acting' as the represented persona becomes too much they eventually see the truth and run away. That's why I always recommend that people verify and check everything possible before investing emotions and energy. Frauds are actually easy to determine. And nobody, Dom or sub, should accept "trust me" as an answer to a personal question at the inception of a contemplated relationship.

When I hire someone and find out they've lied, or as a well know Presidential candidate puts it "misrepresented", on their resume I make it a point to contact them and tell them; "Gee - you had the job based upon the interview, but verifying the facts I found you lied. Sorry - good luck."

I wonder what goes through people's minds when they lie so blatantly. Whether it's marital status, hight, weight, age, history, or plagiarized information. Anyone with so little confidence really has nothing to offer. Only a fool or someone just as shallow and insecure would find that kind of individual an ideal partner.

"Love" becomes a crutch for the insecure. It's a forgiving and accepting term. However, coming from a person 'outed' as shallow and lacking integrity, what does it represent? How weak must you be to believe you have to lie to attract a partner? At best, it becomes a ploy to achieve an agenda.

Love without confidence and self assurance is meaningless. Love coming from a fraud is valueless, no matter how nice the word sounds.

That appears to be a good argument to shun anyone who speaks of Love, for if anyone speaking of Love can so thoroughly defraud others, why trust anyone who speaks of it?

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Perhaps, but I am not entirely sure about that.

There are some really fucked up people in this world. I would imagine their issues flavour all of their emotions and how they express them.

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I think some people just sieze upon emotions they think will bag them what they want.

It's a popularity strategy.

"Love" being the most popular amoung females.

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ORIGINAL: aidan

*stands up to the podium and speaks nervously* Hi, my name is aidan and I'm a self-important sub...

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
Some Dommes and Doms are truly "self important." In other words, when a sub is serving them, the sub is doing something "important," "valuable," and maybe even "crucial."

Is dominance, then, the project of self importance; making oneself important to another and valuing oneself highly? (Such as the King/Queen and his/her subjects?)

I must say I find this kind of dominance a turn off in the long run (with someone I might seek a LT relationship with) but a turn on in the short run (its a fuse that might burn pretty hotly.)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Its hard to tell what one really sees via a message board and web site like this; but after seeing a few posts & profiles today something struck me.

Some Dommes and Doms are truly "self important." In other words, when a sub is serving them, the sub is doing something "important," "valuable," and maybe even "crucial."

Is dominance, then, the project of self importance; making oneself important to another and valuing oneself highly? (Such as the King/Queen and his/her subjects?)

I must say I find this kind of dominance a turn off in the long run (with someone I might seek a LT relationship with) but a turn on in the short run (its a fuse that might burn pretty hotly.)