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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 1:33:23 PM   
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It is truly not my fear for the friendship... oh the roads we have travailed together and always come out stronger on the other end... it is more my fear for her. Her mental and emotional state, her personality and her way of speaking seems to be changing so quickly. She's gone from laughing at something saying "god men can be dumb at times" to proclaiming "all men are Master's and we should kneel at their feet. It is their rights by birth" (ok i'm sure to get the smart ass comments about that one LOL)

Oh my feet aren't moving. and though i have given her space and not written her. i will be there the minute she reaches out as much as a baby finger for help. At this point I guess that's all i can do is be there to pick up the pieces if this all falls appart.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 1:41:53 PM   
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i am feeling very hurt and confused right now and really need to see if i'm wrong about a situation that recently happened and/or get advice from others out there.

My real life best friend of 10 years started talking to this out of the country trainer on line about 2 wks ago. Laster Saturday he offered her a training collar with a month per month renewel on it. Within 48 hours her name was changed, she was refered to as being his slave and worse she was no longer talking to me and i had no idea why. My husband/owner she talked to on the phone and admitted that she was not allowed contact because of something she had done (this was the first story) and that she wasn't even suppost to be talking to him even. For 2 days i bombarded her with IMs, emails, even text messages trying to figure out what was going on. My messages started out nice, went to concern, went to panic, then got insulting, then down right indignant (ok i'm not proud of that). i got in touch with her former dominant, he called her and then i finally heard from her. She had also spoken again to my husband and apparently crying and upset did not understand why i couldn't understand.

This is what she finally said to me " never at any time did i think of separating myself from your friendship. i am hurt and confused by the lack of understanding that in a D/s M/s relationship, i am subject to my Master first and foremost. be it LTR, temp, training, mentor or whatever. even though i was incorrect in my instructions, i sincerely thought i was doing the right thing. it's all about obedience after all. "..."the words of love, devotion and friendship were shallow and meanth nothing"...
tecara: you scared the hell outta me to listen to some ass online
her: i did not
her: no, you scared the hell out of yourself
her: there are no warning signs. not one. and if you were thinking instead of reacting, you would see that as well

tecara: so basically you want me out of it???

She has never answered nor had any further contact. I'm scared and confused and i miss my best friend. Am i wrong to think that our real life friendship should hold more importance then a M/s online training one??? Or am i over reacting and need to just let it go?? She told her former dom that she figured she would do this "training" and her and i would be fine afterwards. As if i should just say oh that's ok i understand that for a month you had no time for me. On average we email 25 times a day everyday, we chat on yahoo every night. From that to nothing.



I think it's all just a little ridiculous.  What is this guy who lives in another country going to do to her?  Unless she's stupid enough to give him a credit card number, I wouldn't worry about it too much.  It may simply be that she was talking to you instead of doing a "task," and he decided that y'all talk too damn much.  If she'd rather live in a fantasy world online for awhile, leave her alone.  Eventually, she'll realize it's a poor substitute and miss all the real fun y'all have together.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 1:42:43 PM   
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Can I ask you why you are upset that HER kink isn't YOUR kink? If she is Happy why not let her be happy?

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 1:49:35 PM   
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Preaching to the choir? Your concern is understood...its just people have to make their own mistakes.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 2:25:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tecara

. At this point I guess that's all i can do is be there to pick up the pieces if this all falls appart.


You would be a better friend, rather than an enabler, if you would just let her pick up her own pieces and deal with the consequences of her own actions.  She can't grow any stronger as a person if you keep rushing in with your cape flying to "rescue" her every time she does something stupid and unconventional, especially when she's been advised not to by her well-meaning friends, ex-masters, etc.  Let her make her own mistakes and learn from them.  She'll be a better person for it in the end.  You can still be there to listen, but let her pick up her own pieces.

It sounds like the two of you reeeeeeeallllllly enjoy having a lot of drama in your day-to-day lives. 

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 3:39:31 PM   
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Actually hate drama and it hasn't been something we have ever delt with. I guess that is what made it that much harder in some ways.

Thanks to all who had sincere opinions i do appreciate the food for thought.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 3:52:18 PM   
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What FlamingRedHead said.

The good thing is , is that this fella is out of the country.

And i don't see this intensity of their relationship lasting too long.  Give it time.
It would have been polite if she had come to you and explained before she turned from you, but she didn't, and now you have to back away as well.   Sorry, hugs.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 3:59:42 PM   
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quote:

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First it had been only 48 hour sense her "collaring" so not it wasn't a long term relationship.

Second. the emails a day are as much from her as from me, usually by the time i got to work the first "good morning" one was waiting for me. Our conversations were about our kids, our jobs, and all our common interest, which after 10 yrs was lot.

Three the only sex involved is cyber and again 48 hours worth.

and my opinion, and only my opinion on why she was told not to contact me was because i am a strong SUBMISSIVE and not a slave and as such i ask quesition (in respectful ways), i have fun (in a respectful way), and every sentense doesn't end in yes Sir , but is always respectful.

Foregive me please if I am wrong and if you feel offensive about this. There are certain clues in what you have said in the above about your attitude towards your friend. You seem to be denegrating cyber sex, denegrating her 48 hours collared and denegrating her role as slave (as opposed to your role as a submissive).
In my experience the first 48 hours in a bdsm relationship can be very very intense and assertive. Accepting a collar means different things to different people again, but accepting a collar and wearing a collar, even if it is for training, can be extremely emotionally important. And I take the position that slavery enters one into a mindset that few outside of the master/slave dynamic can understand. What feels like a totally empowering relationship to the slave often appears as disempowering to an outsider.
If you are a real friend then your role will be unconditional and you will be there for her in whatever capacity she needs you. This may mean months, if not years of separation. But (and surely you do not want this to happen to her) surely if she crashes and burns you will still be there for her. Not negating her but supporting her to free herself with dignity. Being free again can be a very frightening and lonely place especially when friends may have deserted one.


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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 7:07:19 PM   
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Dang I'm with Katy here, I don't want a friend who would get so freaked out about me that she felt such an immediate urgent need to save me.  You said yourself that your messages got rude and insulting. 

Perhaps the distance will serve you both well.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 7:35:08 PM   
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Just a thought - maybe part of her training is to "break her down"  To cancel contact with friends who could distract her allows him to have better control over her training.  Think of it as "boot camp".  Just be there when she comes back - collared or no. 

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 7:55:21 PM   
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My advice is you need to chill out. Seriously how can she be in any "danger" from an online dom in another country? I think this would be a perfect time for you to get reflective too, emailing someone 25 times a day and then freaking out when you don't hear from them for a few day (even though you know she is physically safe) isn't healthy.
How many times a day do you contact your partner I wonder?

I do not know where you think a slave or sub differs, but I know I would never make some of those blanket statements you made.
and don't worry about being there to "pick up the pieces", no friend would use anothers pain as an opportunity to say "I told you so"; friends don't judge, they accept. At least the defination of friend that I use.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 8:02:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tecara

First it had been only 48 hour sense her "collaring" so not it wasn't a long term relationship.

Second. the emails a day are as much from her as from me, usually by the time i got to work the first "good morning" one was waiting for me. Our conversations were about our kids, our jobs, and all our common interest, which after 10 yrs was lot.

Three the only sex involved is cyber and again 48 hours worth.

and my opinion, and only my opinion on why she was told not to contact me was because i am a strong SUBMISSIVE and not a slave and as such i ask quesition (in respectful ways), i have fun (in a respectful way), and every sentense doesn't end in yes Sir , but is always respectful.


Apparently whatever it may or may not be it is better than your friendship as far as she is concerned so you may as well let her go. You can always reply if she changes her mind later and you want to forgive and forget. Your choice there.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 8:08:02 PM   
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you can be upset, hurt, worried, etc., all you want, but the fact of the matter is, she's a big girl and while i believe that you're right that real life relationships and friendships should take presidence over 'online affairs', she obviously doesn't feel that way and you should respect that fact.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/25/2008 10:16:34 PM   
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wow... i mean.. wow... i think you did over react a bit, all the txts and mails and im's, but i udnerstand.. if i dont hear from good friends that i hear from every day i get worried to. but i do agree with many others here... you need to let her go and make her own mistakes.. let her go "oh shit.. what did i do" or not. thats how people learn. i do think it was a bit fast for her "master" to go "u cant have any contact with ur friend of 10 years" i mean come on.. at least let her send u a mail saying she cant talk with u for a while.. its jsut commen sence to be kind and stuff like that.

i see no real danger from her having a trainer in another country.. what can he do to her? send her a threatening message? i mean unless shes given him her card numbers of something like that i reall see no way he can hurt her by doing anything but messaging "uve been a bad girl.. go punish urself" i would try and keep trak of her.. and hope that shell be able to talk to get away from the man thats broken up a 10 year friendship. be there for her if she comes back.. thats all i can say.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/26/2008 1:29:07 AM   
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Ya know I dont see the issue here.  she basically told you to fuck off and die yer pissed so you nag nag nag...which really helps the situation....
maybe you better pick yer friends more carefully.

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RE: Opinions please - 4/26/2008 8:16:12 AM   
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You speak 25 times a day? Maybe she asked him for this rule because you weren't accepting her boundaries, you were smothering her and not giving her any privacy or peace. Since she can talk to everyone but you, this isn't an abusive isolation, just being protected from someone who doesn't respect her privacy.

If you have been friends for ten years, then don't you think you can give her one whole month? If not, what kind of friend are you?

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RE: Opinions please - 4/26/2008 8:36:25 AM   
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Personaly I see only one side here and if We had the other sides then I suspect We'd be getting quite a different story.

What I see here.

A 'friend' who seems to think SHE owns her friend, bombards her with mail and doesn't respect the choise that friend has made. It is one thing to say "I am concerned", send ONE mail outlining why, and then leave it... quite another to force the issue, bombarding her with mails, text, phonecalls and harrassing others to pass on messages.... funny how all the others you mention haven't had difficulty getting in touch!

Wether YOU think there are red flags or not, beyond raising your concerns which takes only ONE mail, there is nothing you are ENTITLED to do... you don't have her consent... HE does. End of!


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RE: Opinions please - 4/26/2008 9:08:11 AM   
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If your friend was no longer allowed to have contact with anyone, not just you, I might be worried.

If the online *dom was anywhere near her physical location, I might be worried.

If your friend was foolish enough to be the type to give out her financial information, I might be worried.

By your own posts, at least two of these don't meet a criteria for concern.  If you've known her for ten years, you probably know the answer to the third one.  Your friend sounds relatively safe.  It's not like the guy can reach through the computer and do her any real harm (except for the third potential above).  In the end, I tend to think this is more about you, than your concern.




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