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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 6:36:25 PM

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i believe women are a superior gender then men but thats because i believe that men have messed alot of things up in society. But if that superiority goes to far then oppression sets in. Oppression is a horrible thing that has befallen our planet. i personally feel obligated to help out anyone that needs help, be it helping granny cross the street to assassinating an over zealous oppressive leader. But assassination is usually and generally a last resort because that jerk is generally preventing an even bigger one from taking his place. If i was in that country to wear women where getting beat raped and abused so they couldn't vote i would be beating men but sadly i'm to poor to go to each and every country just to inflict pain on jerks. i feel obligated but this is coming for a submissive transsexual woman. i know i'm an oxymoron XD

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 6:42:15 PM

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Obligation? can you imagine the uproar if it was mandated that you have to work towards the betterment of your fellow sex.....altho I would love to see it, I dont see it ever happening.
Lucy

Hi Lucy and thank you for your reply. I didn't mean legally obligated (that would be wild) but if there was an unspoken sense of moral obligation. I appreciate your thoughts!

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 6:49:02 PM

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I'm missing the necessity of anyone to have to do anything if a man or woman believes his or her gender is superior. Superiority, in someone's mind, does not equate responsibility to others of that superiority. You're using two meanings of the word "better" to create a scenario that I just don't see happening. You're saying that either men or women consider themselves "better" and then ask why they're not doing anything to "better" their gender in other places. I see no actual connection.

Hi littlesarbonn, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I have always enjoyed your posts and I am glad you posted here.

I would like to ask why you don't see a connection? If I, as a woman, am saying I am the better gender, and that all women should be better than all men, should I not be backing my words with actions? If the woman next door to me is screaming because her husband is beating her, can I come here and say women are better, even those who are getting beaten, and even me, who isn't doing a thing about it?

Maybe I'm connecting jumbled dots here, but that line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. I was wondering if anyone else thought the same, but I think I'm on my own little island on this one.

At least it's sunny here!

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Now, I've run in the female supremacist crowd over the years, and I have certain ties to that community that propel me to think a lot of the ways that I do, but how does this somehow connect to a location of the globe to which I have no actual ties? If I was a woman who believed in gender superiority, how does this connect to some type of justice application to a place where things are not going well? If there are Americans who find the United States to be morally superior to others (and many think so), does that mean the U.S. is thus required to fix the problems of every other country that has a problem? Yes, there are those who think this, and I would argue that such a belief system causes people to write a whole lot of checks they cannot possibly ever cash.

It was a documentary about a different location of the globe that inspired these thoughts in me, but in my OP I mentioned women in the U.S., too, when I asked what Supremist women are doing to help their fellow gender become stronger in this country.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 6:52:32 PM

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The saddest truth is that none of us can help those women in that culture. Only they can help themselves because it is their culture that allows that behavior to happen. Only people within a system, in my opinion, have much of a change to change said system. That is never easy and it requires that some people who have power and authority feel that they should share or should change, too.

An external force can enter and attempt to change the government and the legal system but unless everything else changes from the inside, it will matter very little. I can't recall which nation, but a few weeks ago I read that in some country where women have recently been recognized as voting citizen, men were going around raping, beating and threatening women on election day. Needless to say very few women managed to get exercise their legal right to vote in that election. The news had men talking openly and proudly about the number of women they threatened and harmed and they clearly said it was to prevent them from voting.

It may take generations to undo such bias and hatred in a culture.

Hi Tammy Jo,

It was a woman from New York who went there to do the documentary, and in doing so she not only helped bring the issue to light, but brought all those women together to talk about it - something they had not done before. She helped them become a stronger force together. It took a lot of courage for someone to do that, but she did it, thus proving outsiders can indeed help them.

But I wonder, as I mentioned in my OP, about our own country as well. There are women who are not strong, and my experiences with supremists have been to scoff at those women, rather than helping to raise them up and support their own cause. I don't understand that, so I've asked about it. Do you have thoughts about domestic women's issues and anything female supremists ought to be considering about them?

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 6:57:40 PM

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ownedgirlie,

That is a fantastic and very thought provoking question. Although I don't think of myself as a female supremacist ( hardly) I do think of myself as a strong woman. As a feminist, hell as a human being, I certainly do think that those of us with the means, or the time, are very much obligated to help the less fortunate and especially if the views you are espousing are that you are superior. Unless it is like you said for some, just a "kink."

Especially important, again just speaking for me, is the woman to woman dynamic. I really do feel an obligation to reach out in whatever way I can to help women. Of course, being a mere worker bee and lacking a trust fund , a lot of times it may be something as simple as manning the phones one Saturday a month at our local shelter, or giving ten bucks a month to planned parenthood which I have done for many years. These small acts have much more of a far reaching effect than the obvious. You know, think globally act locally...

Beats me how anyone can claim superiority and look the other way at rampant suffering and genocide of their own "superior" kind. Um yeah, that can be filed under hypocrisy I do believe.

Aynne,

Thank you so much for your post. I tend to think humans ought to be helping humans, but I realize that is not a universal philosophy! Kudos to you for the volunteer work you do. I have been looking into volunteering in my local community women's groups, too. I have donated a lot of things to them, but I want to donate my time and efforts as well, having gone through my own issues with being repressed and stifled.

Your last sentence summed up my sentiments perfectly, but which I wasn't saying very clearly. Again, thank you for what you wrote and for what you do.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 7:27:00 PM

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For me, it has more to do with the disconnection between female supremacy and female superiority; way too often, like in the original post, they're lumped together as if they're the same thing. They're not always. Female supremacy can mean, simply, that a practioner believes that women rule supreme in relationships between men and women. It doesn't also have to fall into the trap of female supremacy=female superiority. Yeah, some people fall into that, but the more you roll around in these waters, the more you start to see that the meanings aren't as simple as trying to tie people to one of several definitions from the dictionary.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 7:48:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

For me, it has more to do with the disconnection between female supremacy and female superiority; way too often, like in the original post, they're lumped together as if they're the same thing. They're not always. Female supremacy can mean, simply, that a practioner believes that women rule supreme in relationships between men and women. It doesn't also have to fall into the trap of female supremacy=female superiority. Yeah, some people fall into that, but the more you roll around in these waters, the more you start to see that the meanings aren't as simple as trying to tie people to one of several definitions from the dictionary.

As someone who calls herself a Female Supremacist,
I don't have much more to add to this, you have summed it up nicely for ME.
I am only superior to MY submissive, I don't feel that I am superior to anyone else.
I have been for women's rights since I was about 11, and I live my life and do
what I can to help other people, and I am proud of my life.

People tend to have their own little definitions in their own little minds as to what the
term "Female supremacy" means.
Just as people attempt to define what:
a real submissive is, a real slave is, a real Dominant is,
a real Mistress is and a real Female Supremacist is.

Let people create their own definitions and labels.
Then let them run around and try to put others in neat little boxes.

I am not worried about other peoples definitions or labels, I live my life.
I don't spend my time worrying about what other people do or don't do.
To each their own.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 8:05:58 PM

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ownedgirlie ...

Awesome post! I have asked myself questions like yours (rather snarkily, though) in reference to submissive men who were supporting FS. Do they weep when women are raped or beaten by their husbands? Do they defend abortion clinics from anti-choice folks trying to shut them down?

Female supremacy, as I've seen it represented, seems to flourish when it is divorced from some of the realities of the world. In my mind it would be consistent for a female supremacist to also be a feminist, and to support the "elevation" of women. I don't see this happening though. Not at all.

littlesarbonn and MzMia, thank you for your comments on differences between supremacy and superiority -- I always thought that was more about grammar than difference in meaning.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 8:13:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: MySweetSubmssive

ownedgirlie ...

Awesome post! I have asked myself questions like yours (rather snarkily, though) in reference to submissive men who were supporting FS. Do they weep when women are raped or beaten by their husbands? Do they defend abortion clinics from anti-choice folks trying to shut them down?

Female supremacy, as I've seen it represented, seems to flourish when it is divorced from some of the realities of the world. In my mind it would be consistent for a female supremacist to also be a feminist, and to support the "elevation" of women. I don't see this happening though. Not at all.

littlesarbonn and MzMia, thank you for your comments on differences between supremacy and superiority -- I always thought that was more about grammar than difference in meaning.

MSS

Great post MSS!!
The same could be asked concerning "submissive women" that are beaten, raped and abused.
Are the submissive women on here running out and helping abused women in shelters?
There are probably many women that consider themselves "submissive" that are routinely abused.

What are all the submissive women and submissive men doing to help those that are mistreated and abused
by others?
I would think all the smart submissive women with their strong self esteem would be out helping abused women
also.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 8:39:28 PM

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The dynamic is not the same, though.

My questions point out -- for me, at least -- the syrupy hypocrisy of most submales I come across who are into female supremacy. They are stuck firmly in fantasy land. And while fantasy is *fine,* it suggests that these men I talk to are less uber-respectful of women and more about a sexual buzz. The woman becomes a mere prop for his fantasy.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 10:11:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

For me, it has more to do with the disconnection between female supremacy and female superiority; way too often, like in the original post, they're lumped together as if they're the same thing. They're not always. Female supremacy can mean, simply, that a practioner believes that women rule supreme in relationships between men and women. It doesn't also have to fall into the trap of female supremacy=female superiority. Yeah, some people fall into that, but the more you roll around in these waters, the more you start to see that the meanings aren't as simple as trying to tie people to one of several definitions from the dictionary.

Thanks for the clarity, littlesarbonn. Admittedly, I did/do not know there was a difference between the two. I have seen them used interchangably, and to mean women are superior to men, overall. Not just in relationships, but in general. And some of the profiles I have seen on CM have reflected that, or haven't used either term at all, in fact have just called themselves Goddesses.

So I may have erred in saying Supremacy. I still wonder though, if women who feel their gender is the powerful and ruling gender over men overall (whatever they may call themselves), also feel they have an obligation to "their own kind?"

In other words, let's say I think dogs should rule over humans. And I see a dog abused and caged and neglected. Am I going to shrug it off and say, "Eh, dogs should rule over humans but that dog is too stupid to figure out how, so fuck him?" or am I going to help support my own agenda by training that dog to get out of his situation and be strong?

OK that may be a silly analogy, but do you see my point? What people do within their relationships has no bearing to me on this question. Women who dominate men in their relationships have every right to do so and I respect that. Women who believe ALL women should dominate ALL men (and there are plenty who believe that) might consider helping other women rise to that bar, else they appear to be hypocritical.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 10:19:46 PM

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Great post MSS!!
The same could be asked concerning "submissive women" that are beaten, raped and abused.
Are the submissive women on here running out and helping abused women in shelters?
There are probably many women that consider themselves "submissive" that are routinely abused.

Well, this is why I become irritated when I see anyone mocked and ridiculed for "being stupid" as lots of people like to point out, when it is obvious their esteem has been so damaged they think they deserve what they are receiving. I agree with you that humanity should be helping humanity. BDSM'ers could be helping abused BDSM'ers in an effort to help elevate the whole notion of what BDSM is to the outside world.

But my question wasn't in regard to submissives saying they are the greater species and therefore should be helping abused submissives. There is a difference, even if the line is a little blurred.

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I would think all the smart submissive women with their strong self esteem would be out helping abused women
also.

A lot of smart and strong submissive women are mentoring other submissives so they don't become abused in the first place, and helping those who are. I agree with your premise in that I think people should be helping people, rather than squelching them. Particularly when it's someone who says "their kind" should be in charge.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 10:20:57 PM

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Thats defiently got to be a female thing.

The male supremacists would feed the other males to the lions.

See the Gorean Section for reference.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 10:22:03 PM

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Female supremacy, as I've seen it represented, seems to flourish when it is divorced from some of the realities of the world. In my mind it would be consistent for a female supremacist to also be a feminist, and to support the "elevation" of women. I don't see this happening though. Not at all.

MSS, thanks for your words and for your post. I agree with this completely. In some cases I see them actually put women down, which is an oddity to me.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 10:22:11 PM

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Hummm, I have never felt that "my" kind should be in charge.
I am only in charge of my submissive, and he/she is the only one I want to control.

I totally agree, that people that Do feel that way, should help other people!

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 10:25:29 PM

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Thats defiently got to be a female thing.

The male supremacists would feed the other males to the lions.

See the Gorean Section for reference.

Hey MR,

Funny you write that because as I was responding to the last post I was thinking along these lines, too! I suppose since you don't see a lot of men's abuse shelters or men being oppressed, it's not as big an issue.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 10:27:14 PM

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Hummm, I have never felt that "my" kind should be in charge.
I am only in charge of my submissive, and he/she is the only one I want to control.

This makes sense to me, and I wouldn't think of butting my nose into that!

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I totally agree, that people that Do feel that way, should help other people!

Thanks for hanging in there with me and trying to understand where I was coming from. :)

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 10:30:00 PM

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Thank you too girlie.
Too many think that all of the women that believe in "Female Supremacy" also
believe in "Female Superiority" and that we should automatically rule the world.

Or that we all believe that all women should rule all men, or similar nonsense.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 10:34:02 PM

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You are right, MzMia. I believed that myself, because of my limited experience. I began the thread to address those who believe in that "similar nonsense" you mention.

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RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? - 4/26/2008 10:39:28 PM

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Hi ownedgirlie.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

The HeadMistress I work for has a coffee cup with a quote on it that I just love by Madeleine K. Albright, Diplomat. It says-

"There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women."

I love that quote. No matter if women like to sub to men or dominate men, no matter if they feel their feminist or female supremist or not, women should unite and help each other. When there's jealousy and competition and lack of unity among women, that gives abusive men more power to abuse and kill women. Law enforcement, police, and courts need to care and help women more too.

BDSM always has to be safe, sane, and consential. Anything other than that is abuse, immoral, and illegal.

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