Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation?

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ownedgirlie -> Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/25/2008 7:55:06 PM)
I am sitting here watching an HBO documentary called "Greatest Silence." It's a rather disturbing film about the use of sex crimes in the Congo, and how it has increased significantly, in volume and in savagery, since 1999. Women are not simply taken and gang raped at random, but mutilated in horrific ways afterwards. Raped women are outcast by society, abandoned by their husbands, and often left pregnant. 30% end up with HIV. And so I am wondering if those who believe in female supremacy feel they have an obligation to these women in such defenseless situations? Or even in this country, what do you do to help women to get on their feet and become strong? Do you feel you owe it to them? Do you look down on those in such situations? Why or why not? If you are not a female supremist, whether or not you subscribe to their views, do you feel that women who believe they are the stronger and powerful gender should help other women become strong? Do you feel any hipocrisy if they don't?

daddysliloneds -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/25/2008 8:17:45 PM)
i am not a female supremist and i dont' feel 'obligated' to help anyone become stronger, regardless of their gender, and no, i don't feel like a hypocrite for saying so either.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/25/2008 8:29:10 PM)
My question was not whether non-supremists feel obligated, it was whether people think that those who say females are the supreme gender should be obligated to that gender.

Wickad -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/25/2008 8:58:56 PM)
Fast Reply In response to your question ... why would only female supremacists feel obligated to help out women who suffer from societally condoned misogyny? Shouldn't we all feel for and endeavour to help those less fortunate than ourselves, male or female? Wickad

ownedgirlie -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/25/2008 9:01:04 PM)
People feel pulled in various directions and not everyone has the same sense of obligation, which is fine. I asked as I did because I wanted to know what women who believe women are the greater gender are doing for repressed women, in our country as well as in others. It was just something that came to me tonight so I decided to ask.

BitaTruble -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/25/2008 9:43:03 PM)
~FR~ Personally, I'm more a 'if you do, do from your heart' not a sense of obligation. Currently, I do for my chosen charities already and I can't take on the problems of the world, so I do my small bit for those things which are nearest and dearest to my heart. As much as I would like to help everyone who needs it, I can't and neither can I spread myself so thin that I help no one at all. I can empathize and feel for those who suffer and I do but for the vast majority, that's all I do and for the select few, I do much more. Celeste

ownedgirlie -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/25/2008 9:55:20 PM)
My idea on this topic was more along the lines of, if African American leaders in this country are bringing to light the issues of African Americans in this country....what are female surpremists doing for womens issues? And should they be doing anything, or is it OK for a genre of people to promote their greatness without helping others of "their own kind?" Maybe I didn't word it well. Maybe my thinking is warped. (Well that's a given).

BitaTruble -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/25/2008 10:59:57 PM)
You worded it just fine. The collective masses never did a whole bunch though, hon. It's individuals who have a passion for their subject that tend to gather the followers to cause change. If those who are leaders have the passion, they'll find others and lead them to help make a difference. The collective Borg worked great on paper - not so much in real life. Female supremacists are not obligated to do anything for anyone. There are going to be individual's within that group who will absolutely take such issues to heart and try to make a difference and they will inspire others to help. That's about as good as it gets for humans. There will be individuals within that subset who will absolutely dismiss such issues and leave it to women to find their own strength and fix their own problems. Most though, will be apathetic. That's about par for the course for humans. The good, the bad and the indifferent. Celeste

LaMistressa -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 1:11:57 AM)
My response to war crimes and genocide is based on my responsibilities and values as a human being, not as a domiant woman/feminist/female supremicist or any other sub category of who I am.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 7:33:46 AM)
Thank you for replying, LaMistressa. Are you a female supremist? I think what I am trying to ask is, are these women (female supremists) enjoying a kink or do they actually feel women are superior? And for those who actually feel women are superior, are they compelled in any way to promote other women toward recognizing their own personal superiority, or is that something that's unimportant to them? And...if it's unimportant to them, then how important to them is it to be recognized as a superior gender, if they're not helping their own gender strengthen itself? Do they find downtrodden and repressed women to also be superior? I'm trying to understand all of this, because as I watched that documentary I thought of some of the things I have read on these boards by women to claim their gender to be superior, and while I have seen these women scoff at female submissives for not expressing their superiority, I wonder what they have to say about women in situations that don't allow such superiority to be expressed. If you haven't guessed, I do see hypocrisy in it, and if I'm wrong to do so, that hasn't been shown to me yet. And if of course supremacy is simply a kink that is enjoyed, then more power to 'em for enjoying it - no harm, no foul.

MladyHathor -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 12:06:01 PM)
I am not a gender or race supermacist---I believe in the best person for the task--to that end I believe, support and work for equal rights, equal opportunity and the elimination of the oppression of peoples just because we don't agree.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 3:31:01 PM)
What LadyHathor said. It's a world of horrible injustice, and I wish I could do something about all of it. Since I can't, I do my part in my own community to help those in need.

sirguym -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 3:50:50 PM)
The only reason this has anything to do with the female supremacist myth is that it is the other side of the coin of male supremacist myths, and religious myths. All these myths are reasons given to rationalise and justify shunning the victims of such crimes, by those who ought to know better. quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie I am sitting here watching an HBO documentary called "Greatest Silence." It's a rather disturbing film about the use of sex crimes in the Congo, and how it has increased significantly, in volume and in savagery, since 1999. Women are not simply taken and gang raped at random, but mutilated in horrific ways afterwards. Raped women are outcast by society, abandoned by their husbands, and often left pregnant. 30% end up with HIV. And so I am wondering if those who believe in female supremacy feel they have an obligation to these women in such defenseless situations? Or even in this country, what do you do to help women to get on their feet and become strong? Do you feel you owe it to them? Do you look down on those in such situations? Why or why not? If you are not a female supremist, whether or not you subscribe to their views, do you feel that women who believe they are the stronger and powerful gender should help other women become strong? Do you feel any hipocrisy if they don't?

batshalom -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 4:07:24 PM)
guym, I think this was just a thought that crossed girlie's mind while she was watching tv and thinking. She's not saying it has anything to do with myths of any sort. It is curiosity about what a certain set of people thinks. girlie, it's a cool question. I wish Naja were here to answer.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 4:31:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirguym The only reason this has anything to do with the female supremacist myth is that it is the other side of the coin of male supremacist myths, and religious myths. All these myths are reasons given to rationalise and justify shunning the victims of such crimes, by those who ought to know better. First, I agree that they are both myths. I do not subscribe to either point of view. But if men claim that they are "better," I would ask them what they are doing to better their gender. So if the women on this site who think they are the better gender are doing something to better their gender, I would like to know what. batshalom is right - I was watching a TV show and thinking out loud, so to speak. And 20 hours ago I started a thread to challenge the supremist women of this site to come forward and say what they are doing that is helping their gender become the superior gender they believe themselves to be. So far, no one has stepped forward. I find that interesting but hey, maybe they've all gone away for the weekend. [;)]

Lucylastic -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 4:54:17 PM)
Hmmmmmm Im dominant, but in no way a supremacist, im too easy going for that. I find too many supremacists from both sides of the chromasome to be too self centered to give a rats behind about the issues facing someone in a different county let alone country. just my [sm=2cents.gif] Obligation? can you imagine the uproar if it was mandated that you have to work towards the betterment of your fellow sex.....altho I would love to see it, I dont see it ever happening. Lucy

littlesarbonn -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 5:18:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie First, I agree that they are both myths. I do not subscribe to either point of view. But if men claim that they are "better," I would ask them what they are doing to better their gender. So if the women on this site who think they are the better gender are doing something to better their gender, I would like to know what. I'm missing the necessity of anyone to have to do anything if a man or woman believes his or her gender is superior. Superiority, in someone's mind, does not equate responsibility to others of that superiority. You're using two meanings of the word "better" to create a scenario that I just don't see happening. You're saying that either men or women consider themselves "better" and then ask why they're not doing anything to "better" their gender in other places. I see no actual connection. Now, I've run in the female supremacist crowd over the years, and I have certain ties to that community that propel me to think a lot of the ways that I do, but how does this somehow connect to a location of the globe to which I have no actual ties? If I was a woman who believed in gender superiority, how does this connect to some type of justice application to a place where things are not going well? If there are Americans who find the United States to be morally superior to others (and many think so), does that mean the U.S. is thus required to fix the problems of every other country that has a problem? Yes, there are those who think this, and I would argue that such a belief system causes people to write a whole lot of checks they cannot possibly ever cash.

thetammyjo -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 5:32:23 PM)
The saddest truth is that none of us can help those women in that culture. Only they can help themselves because it is their culture that allows that behavior to happen. Only people within a system, in my opinion, have much of a change to change said system. That is never easy and it requires that some people who have power and authority feel that they should share or should change, too. An external force can enter and attempt to change the government and the legal system but unless everything else changes from the inside, it will matter very little. I can't recall which nation, but a few weeks ago I read that in some country where women have recently been recognized as voting citizen, men were going around raping, beating and threatening women on election day. Needless to say very few women managed to get exercise their legal right to vote in that election. The news had men talking openly and proudly about the number of women they threatened and harmed and they clearly said it was to prevent them from voting. It may take generations to undo such bias and hatred in a culture.

ProfJoe -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 5:33:16 PM)
I don't think I've heard any thoughtful person talk about gender supremacy of any sort since somewhere in the early 90's. Sorry I missed the threads you have noticed as I'd either be enlightened or get a laugh. Human rights violations of all sorts, perpetrated on people according to race, religion, gender, whatever, should be a cause for outrage in everyone. That said, I haven't done a damn thing. I'm open to practical suggestions though. Prof Joe

Aynne -> RE: Female Supremacy - Is There an Obligation? (4/26/2008 6:14:37 PM)
ownedgirlie, That is a fantastic and very thought provoking question. Although I don't think of myself as a female supremacist ( hardly) I do think of myself as a strong woman. As a feminist, hell as a human being, I certainly do think that those of us with the means, or the time, are very much obligated to help the less fortunate and especially if the views you are espousing are that you are superior. Unless it is like you said for some, just a "kink." Especially important, again just speaking for me, is the woman to woman dynamic. I really do feel an obligation to reach out in whatever way I can to help women. Of course, being a mere worker bee and lacking a trust fund [8\|], a lot of times it may be something as simple as manning the phones one Saturday a month at our local shelter, or giving ten bucks a month to planned parenthood which I have done for many years. These small acts have much more of a far reaching effect than the obvious. You know, think globally act locally... Beats me how anyone can claim superiority and look the other way at rampant suffering and genocide of their own "superior" kind. Um yeah, that can be filed under hypocrisy I do believe.

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