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Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/28/2008 4:44:09 PM

cyberdude611

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In a 6-3 decision, the US Supreme Court ruled today that it is not unconstitutional for states to require photo identification from voters at the poll. Typically liberal-leaning Justice John Paul Stevens joined with Anthony Kennedy and the the conservatives (Roberts, Thomas, Scalia, and Alito) to make it a 6-3 decision.

Democrats and the ACLU claim the law puts a burden on poor, elderly, and minority voters. SCOTUS disagrees claiming there is no evidence to suggest that photo identification would disenfranchise legal voters.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_voter_id

I guess the Dems wont get to enjoy those illegal aliens votes anymore....

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/28/2008 5:03:59 PM

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I always showed my I.D. when I vote.
What's the big deal, I don't see why the Supreme Court would have to rule on that it's just common sense!

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/28/2008 5:08:37 PM

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If you are a candidate that wants illegal voters to vote for you....this law would be a problem.

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/28/2008 8:30:51 PM

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In New York, ID is not required, they just look to see if your signature matches the one on file.

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/28/2008 9:26:32 PM

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The truth is, this will make it harder for poor, older,home-bound (not upwardly mobile) people to vote.Groups that mostly vote Democratic.That`s why these conservative states are doing this,to dis-enfranchise.Not to fight voter fraud.That`s a myth.

Now, organized election fraud,like voter caging,phone bank jamming/robo-calling,etc.,have landed quite a few republicans in jail during the last few elections.
Those dirty tricks/illegal activities, affected/tossed out tens of thousands of legit votes.

If the justices were interested in cleaning up elections,they have plenty of low hanging fruit with election fraud,not a measly 0.0003%.rate of voter fraud.

The Myth Of Voter Fraud

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/28/AR2007032801969.html

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http://truthaboutfraud.org/case_studies_by_state/

The 2000 election was hotly contested in Missouri, and various irregularities led to inflated claims of widespread fraud. Many of these fraud claims were later used to support the call for restrictive ID requirements. We examined each of the allegations of fraud by individual voters -- the only sort that ID could possibly address -- to uncover the truth behind the assertions.

The allegations yielded only six substantiated cases of Missouri votes cast by ineligible voters, knowingly or unknowingly, except for those votes permitted by court order. The six cases were double votes by four voters -- two across state lines and two within Missouri -- amounting to an overall rate of 0.0003%. None of these problems could have been resolved by requiring photo ID at the polls.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051501874.html

As the Republican Myth has it, nothing is more fraught with fraud than voter-registration campaigns waged in working-class and poor neighborhoods that are largely black or Hispanic. According to the 2004 Census, 15 percent of blacks and Hispanics were registered during such campaigns; the figure for whites is just 9 percent. But of those 38 prosecutions that the Justice Department brought between 2002 and 2005, a grand total of two were for fabricating or falsifying voter registration applications. This qualifies as one of our smaller crime waves.

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http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_republican_war_on_voting

Using the Department of Justice, friendly governors, and its usual propaganda outlets, the GOP has propagated the myth of voter fraud to purge the rolls of non-Republicans

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/28/2008 10:09:43 PM

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Back in the 90's when I lived in New Hampshire in a small town where everyone knew one another they'd always ask for your driver's lisense when you voted.
And I had the same old lady checking my name off everytime I voted.
You'd think she'd remember me!
And there were always cops hanging around the polling place too.

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 12:26:18 AM

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um, make in compulsory for everyone to vote, it works in australia!
you are registered on the electoral roll, (compulsory) and the electoral commission crosses your name off, you are given the polling papers, if you dont want to fill them out that's ok. when you're done with the ballot paper you put it in a box and leave.
if you're house bound or going away, you can vote before election day and post it in.

some may say they don't want compulsory voting, but to turn up once in a while to have your name marked off is a cheap price to pay for democracy.

Then if there is a stuff up with the ballot, you just vote again.

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 12:32:15 AM

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quote:

The truth is, this will make it harder for poor, older,home-bound (not upwardly mobile) people to vote.Groups that mostly vote Democratic.That`s why these conservative states are doing this,to dis-enfranchise.Not to fight voter fraud.That`s a myth.

How does requiring identification restrict these people? Poor, older people don't have driver's licenses or identification?

They have been asking for my ID for years here. I like the fact that someone can't just walk in off the street and use my name to vote.

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 1:56:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

quote:

The truth is, this will make it harder for poor, older,home-bound (not upwardly mobile) people to vote.Groups that mostly vote Democratic.That`s why these conservative states are doing this,to dis-enfranchise.Not to fight voter fraud.That`s a myth.

How does requiring identification restrict these people? Poor, older people don't have driver's licenses or identification?

They have been asking for my ID for years here. I like the fact that someone can't just walk in off the street and use my name to vote.

the theory is that it would cut down on the ability of an elderly person being able to cast a mail-in vote. or those people who dont have drivers licences will find it more difficult to vote. because yes there will be the occasional fucktard who insists that the state issued ID is not valid, since its not a driver's licence.

fallcon ran across it several times over the 2 years he was here....although it WAS amusing having him insist the manager be called over and said manager being apologetic for the inconvenience.

kitten

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 5:35:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

The truth is, this will make it harder for poor, older,home-bound (not upwardly mobile) people to vote.Groups

Why?

Older people don't have a picture ID?

The poor don't have drivers licenses?

Home bound can't sent a way for an absentee ballott?

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 5:41:15 AM

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Who cares? Vote rigging is an acceptable contingency of the elections.

So what, some people won't be able to exercise their voting rights? It's happened before. It's even a good thing: they would have voted the wrong way anyway.

"Get over it."

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 6:59:23 AM

Owner59

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Funny how the right is all about registration,IDs and security when it comes to so-called voter fraud(a non existent problem).

But want anyone and everyone to be able to by firearms and ammo without any scrutiny, back check or even a registration of any sort..And we know how many tragedies and problems this causes.

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We know that the voter ID thing is a scam(one of many)used by republicans to shave democratic votes.

This higher purpose BS is shameful and transparent.

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http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_republican_war_on_voting

"Revelations that U.S. attorneys were fired for their failure to successfully prosecute voter fraud have revealed how fictitious the allegations of widespread fraud actually were -- but the allegations haven't gone away. They live on in all the vote-suppressing laws and regulations that will likely affect this year's election, in GOP rhetoric and, most recently, in the arguments presented by champions of Indiana's restrictive voter-identification law in a case currently before the U.S. Supreme Court."

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This is just another form of pol tax ,designed to suppress voters and votes.

We should be doing everything we can to make it easier to vote and participate.The republicans are doing the opposite.

Id love to see small armies of challengers massed in rich white communities to challenge their legitimacy ,like they do in poor,minority communities.Just to make it fair.........

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 7:45:00 AM

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Talk about a strawman Ownerthe buying guns without restriction? totally stawman.
Who asked for the Instacheck system?
Who was standing right behind the effort to include and expand the mental health system reecords to that same Instacheck system?

Only a very few anarcists want unrestricted access to guns, most of the right wants the existing laws that they helped to pass into being to be enforced. Including criminal background checks, mental health background checks, and Federal level enforcement of the existing gun laws.

The Georgia Voter ID Law has a FREE ID provision for those who can't afford the cost of the ID card ($20.00 for 5 years ). Oh and the idea that the travel will create more burden, kinda falls apart when you realize that you get the ID card at the same place you can register to vote in the first place. One trip kills two birds.

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 8:00:33 AM

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Owner,

So, all Republicans are evil and wish to restrict voting to only those who will vote the party ticket, and all Democrats are angels and seek only to allow the greatest number of people to exercise their franchise.

Voter fraud is a myth, used by the Republicans to impose restrictions on people who might vote Democratic?

Got it. Republican = devil: Democratic= angel. Perfect "us or them", ideological thinking.

Democratic Voter Fraud.

Personally, I think there is a little bit of the devil in all of us. Hypocrisy as well.

Firm

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 8:09:08 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Funny how the right is all about registration,IDs and security when it comes to so-called voter fraud(a non existent problem).

But want anyone and everyone to be able to by firearms and ammo without any scrutiny, back check or even a registration of any sort..And we know how many tragedies and problems this causes.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

We know that the voter ID thing is a scam(one of many)used by republicans to shave democratic votes.

This higher purpose BS is shameful and transparent.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_republican_war_on_voting

"Revelations that U.S. attorneys were fired for their failure to successfully prosecute voter fraud have revealed how fictitious the allegations of widespread fraud actually were -- but the allegations haven't gone away. They live on in all the vote-suppressing laws and regulations that will likely affect this year's election, in GOP rhetoric and, most recently, in the arguments presented by champions of Indiana's restrictive voter-identification law in a case currently before the U.S. Supreme Court."

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This is just another form of pol tax ,designed to suppress voters and votes.

We should be doing everything we can to make it easier to vote and participate.The republicans are doing the opposite.

Id love to see small armies of challengers massed in rich white communities to challenge their legitimacy ,like they do in poor,minority communities.Just to make it fair.........

Owner, it's not just "the right", *everyone* should want to protect the sanctity of our elections!
"One man or woman, one vote."
My mother was homebound for the last two years of her life but she voted absentee. It was no problem whatsoever.
I don't know where it comes from that, "the elderly have problems showing I.D."
They usually have accumulated more i.d.'s than young people.
And it's no big deal getting a state issued I.D. if you can't get or don't have a driver's lisence.

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 8:16:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

So, all Republicans are evil and wish to restrict voting to only those who will vote the party ticket,

I'm starting to wonder - now, each time I think of a Republican I see a shark grinning

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and all Democrats are angels and seek only to allow the greatest number of people to exercise their franchise.

Silly. Of course not. But they are a little purer: they definitely seem to have more scrupples, don't they? Which is their downfall.

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Voter fraud is a myth, used by the Republicans to impose restrictions on people who might vote Democratic?

Maybe vote fraud exists, but it only counterbalances vote theft.

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Got it. Republican = devil: Democratic= angel. Perfect "us or them", ideological thinking.

Now, now, what did I say about Walt Disney's "good guys, bad guys", hmmmm?

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 9:03:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

So, all Republicans are evil and wish to restrict voting to only those who will vote the party ticket,

I'm starting to wonder - now, each time I think of a Republican I see a shark grinning .

quote:

and all Democrats are angels and seek only to allow the greatest number of people to exercise their franchise.

Silly. Of course not. But they are a little purer: they definitely seem to have more scrupples, don't they? Which is their downfall.

quote:

Voter fraud is a myth, used by the Republicans to impose restrictions on people who might vote Democratic?

Maybe vote fraud exists, but it only counterbalances vote theft.

quote:

Got it. Republican = devil: Democratic= angel. Perfect "us or them", ideological thinking.

Now, now, what did I say about Walt Disney's "good guys, bad guys", hmmmm?

KittinSol, oh sure, Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy invented "scrupples."

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 9:19:26 AM

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There are exceptions, of course; you can quote examples all you like, sappy left-wing thinkers are more intellectually honest, on average, than their more rabid right-wing counterparts.

Can't be helped, it's just the way it is

. Nothing wrong with saying it, you know.

PS: are you consulting for your Ted Kennedy obsession?

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 10:46:54 AM

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This is just another form of pol tax ,designed to suppress voters and votes.

We should be doing everything we can to make it easier to vote and participate.The republicans are doing the opposite.

Id love to see small armies of challengers massed in rich white communities to challenge their legitimacy ,like they do in poor,minority communities.Just to make it fair.........

I guess I got cheated on the paranoia part of my persona.

One vote per person seems to be a reasonable goal. Requiring a photo ID to insure that occurs also doesn't seem to be an unfair price to pay to insure that. Hell, this is 2008, maybe we should use the same scrutiny as in place at many Banks - fingerprint verification. That prevents people from getting into your pockets at the bank. Why not use it to make sure people are only getting one vote to decide who is going to get into your pockets at the elected office level?

When I go into a casino I know I'm under scrutiny of cameras capturing my every move. I don't care, because I don't cheat and have no plans to do so.

I'm happy to show my ID when I vote and glad they are requiring photo ID's. I've seen 'challengers' every year in my voting place. I guess maybe we're living in one of those "poor minority communities".

Why is this a partisan issue? Shouldn't any legitimate political party want the same goal - one person/one vote?

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RE: Supreme Court says states CAN require ID to vote - 4/29/2008 1:00:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

There are exceptions, of course; you can quote examples all you like, sappy left-wing thinkers are more intellectually honest, on average, than their more rabid right-wing counterparts.

Can't be helped, it's just the way it is . Nothing wrong with saying it, you know.

PS: are you consulting for your Ted Kennedy obsession?

Kitten, you seem to be unable to grasp the fact that there are a lot more opinions than "left" and "Right."
I don't see why *anyone*would be against honest and fair elections.
We certainly don't want "dead people" voting like they do in Chicago do we?
And it's a federal felony for someone who's not allowed to vote to even try.

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