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kalimachild -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/5/2008 9:28:25 PM)

I smoke and have for years.  I know what I'm doing with my body and to my body.  I started when I had no clue what it did and I learned quickly.  I don't smoke in or around people who prefer not to smell it.  I try to be polite to one and all, but I really wish people would lay off the guilt trips about how bad it is.  It's my choice and I have made it.



EXODUS1 -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/7/2008 1:20:43 PM)

I Pictured a Domm on a resperator
telling their sub/slave to light their cigarette for them.
 
Smoking is a slow suicide,.! Plain and simple.
 
EXODUS1



Pyrrsefanie -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/7/2008 7:28:12 PM)

When I was sixteen I started on a pack-a-day habit with good old-fashioned Camels, then moved on to the Turkish Jade menthols and now I've settled happily on my Djarum Black imports.

I always laughed at the commercials that tried to play off smokers as looking stupid because I've always thought that there's nothing sexier than the old femme fatale archetype with a long black cigarette between her lips, slowly blowing out wisps of smoke... or watching the bad-boy type take a long drag on his Marlboros.  MEEEEEOW.

I wouldn't ever make it a rule in my house (wouldn't have to anyway, the boy loves his Marlboro 100's) because it is, in my opinion, a personal decision to flip the proverbial bird at all of the consequences and risks of smoking, and I wouldn't feel right telling someone "Yeah, this might give you cancer, but you HAVE TO DO IT."  I'm well aware of the downsides and I choose to take my chances, but that doesn't mean I frown upon people who decline.  I have great respect for people who choose to quit.  My theory is "I don't tell you to do it, don't tell me NOT to do it."

Back on the sexy fetish note, though, I fully intend to purchase this for my boy:  http://male.stockroom.com/Ash-Tray-Attachment-P2450.aspx  I think it'd be amazing at parties.






Cyninu -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 10:10:05 AM)

I won't interact with anyone who smokes on a personal or private level.
For the obvious scents, health issues and expense alone. I would much rather have an addictive habit I FULLY ENJOYED, that I LQQKED forward to, rather than a vice that keeps me hostage for a lifetime of misery to myself and those around me.

Mistress Cyn

"Any woman who wants to be equal to a man has NO ambition!"



EXODUS1 -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 10:16:57 AM)

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I won't interact with anyone who smokes on a personal or private level.
For the obvious scents, health issues and expense alone. I would much rather have an addictive habit I FULLY ENJOYED, that I LQQKED forward to, rather than a vice that keeps me hostage for a lifetime of misery to myself and those around me.

Mistress Cyn

"Any woman who wants to be equal to a man has NO ambition!"
 
"Perfectly well said!"
 
EXODUS1



DominantJenny -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 10:37:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistyMenthal

I Watched my Aunt being on a Respirator
the size of Texas.
 
If you need one let me know?[sm=alarm.gif]
 
EXODUS1


So I'm confused. Are MistyMental and EXODUS1 the same person or what?



Strictwoman -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 11:47:05 AM)

Smoking - is a real turn off for me.  I have just met someone who had  a long and deep seated smoking fetish, one that had become so ingrained he had begun to think it quite normal.

I requested that he stop smoking - I know it isnt easy - he stopped directly.  No cheating.  As well as the health benefit to him - it also gave an extremely clear message to me regarding his willingness towards me.

I guess its a hard limit. for me. This is the 2nd submissive that I have insisted stop smoking.  If people want to be with me - I want them to be as healthy as possible and smell pleasant...



EXODUS1 -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 12:02:37 PM)

No I think he was trying to copy me.
 
Or a quote? Maybe used my name because he was reading a quote?
 
There is No Domm inside of me![sm=applause.gif]
 
Always, misty[sm=agree.gif]



EXODUS1 -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 12:05:34 PM)

We choose to smoke, knowing the risks.
 
It's a matter of mind over matter.
 
Always, misty[sm=agree.gif]



darchChylde -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 12:54:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EXODUS1
Smoking is a slow suicide,.! Plain and simple.
 
EXODUS1


Living is a slow suicide.  Look at it rationally; by living you passively choose to continue in an activity that will inevitably end in death.

For anyone who's curious, or oblivious: 

The first warning label appeared in January of 1966, about two years after the first Surgeon General's Report on Smoking and Health. The original warning label said "CAUTION: Cigarette Smoking May Be Hazardous to Your Health" and was replaced in 1970 by one saying "WARNING: The Surgeon General Has Determined That Cigarette Smoking Is Dangerous to Your Health."

This means that very few people are alive in the US have ever picked up a cigarette pack that did not tell us the dangers of smoking.  42 years, i think we know what we are doing.  The same goes for getting into cars, crossing streets and living outside of bubbles.

In the past 16 years, it has become popular to pick on smokers legally. 

Send us outside of bars, and in some cases our own homes or even cities.  

Taxes in the past 10 years alone have more than doubled the prices of cigarettes.  (When compared to other taxes, vice taxes are extravagant and a means of forcing a small segment of the population to pay for the ills of the majority; a financial punishment for activities we legally pursue).

We went from being encouraged to smoke (it has even been endorsed by medical doctors as being healthy) to becoming social pariahs for doing so.  Both the american government and the media helped to spread the quantities of those addicted to smoking, now those smokers have been betrayed.

If you believe the bullshit anti-smoking media campaigns, choosing to smoke is actually the responsible decision.  Smoking has be so vilified that we are supposed to be convinced that second-hand smoking is actually more dangerous than first-hand smoking; so we apparently save ourselves by smoking.

___________

Edited to Add:  People are so happy to throw away the rights of the smoker.  Unfortunately, they do not realize that when you freely give up one right; it becomes easier to take the next right from you.  Read Orwell's "1984", or Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron" to see what lies at the bottom of the slippery slope that we, as Americans, are choosing to dive down; all while we fight for our freedom... what a hypocritacal joke,



lusciouslips19 -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 1:06:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalimachild

I smoke and have for years.  I know what I'm doing with my body and to my body.  I started when I had no clue what it did and I learned quickly.  I don't smoke in or around people who prefer not to smell it.  I try to be polite to one and all, but I really wish people would lay off the guilt trips about how bad it is.  It's my choice and I have made it.


When you are coughing all the time and have chronic bronchitis dont complain about how crappy you feel. i can say that I became 75% better in how I felt just by quiting smoking. If you were given a cigarette and told if you smoke this one cigarett you would die on the spot, would you still make the choice? I think some make the choice to smoke because its danger is not iminent or immediately apparent.



lusciouslips19 -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 1:11:35 PM)


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Edited to Add: People are so happy to throw away the rights of the smoker. Unfortunately, they do not realize that when you freely give up one right; it becomes easier to take the next right from you. Read Orwell's "1984", or Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron" to see what lies at the bottom of the slippery slope that we, as Americans, are choosing to dive down; all while we fight for our freedom... what a hypocritacal joke,


I have a right to not have my air smell and cause me asthma. I also have a right to go to a restaurant or bar and not have my clothes and hair reek from it. By all means your rights are important. but not when they infringe on mine.




darchChylde -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 1:13:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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ORIGINAL: kalimachild

I smoke and have for years.  I know what I'm doing with my body and to my body.  I started when I had no clue what it did and I learned quickly.  I don't smoke in or around people who prefer not to smell it.  I try to be polite to one and all, but I really wish people would lay off the guilt trips about how bad it is.  It's my choice and I have made it.


When you are coughing all the time and have chronic bronchitis dont complain about how crappy you feel. i can say that I became 75% better in how I felt just by quiting smoking. If you were given a cigarette and told if you smoke this one cigarett you would die on the spot, would you still make the choice? I think some make the choice to smoke because its danger is not iminent or immediately apparent.


Would you spew religious dogma or political ideals at the streetcorner in order to persuade the multitudes who wish not to hear your banal reproaches?  Or do you laugh at and pity the crazies who do the same?

What makes what you are doing here any different?

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
I have a right to not have my air smell and cause me asthma. I also have a right to go to a restaurant or bar and not have my clothes and hair reek from it. By all means your rights are important. but not when they infringe on mine.




Open air outdoor environments, even when heavily populated with smokers are full of far more dense and dangerous pollutants than cigarette smoke.  There have long been bars and resturaunts with smoking sections, and even those that choose (not enforced by tyrannical laws) to prohibit smoking on their premises.  Just as you can choose to not watch an offensive television program, you can choose to not enter a smoke-filled bar.  By all means your rights are important. but not when they infringe on mine.

But my point that you have quoted above, and yet still managed to ignore, was that when you choose to violate my rights; you also grease the wheel for the violation of your own.



lusciouslips19 -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 1:28:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: darchChylde

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalimachild

I smoke and have for years.  I know what I'm doing with my body and to my body.  I started when I had no clue what it did and I learned quickly.  I don't smoke in or around people who prefer not to smell it.  I try to be polite to one and all, but I really wish people would lay off the guilt trips about how bad it is.  It's my choice and I have made it.


When you are coughing all the time and have chronic bronchitis dont complain about how crappy you feel. i can say that I became 75% better in how I felt just by quiting smoking. If you were given a cigarette and told if you smoke this one cigarett you would die on the spot, would you still make the choice? I think some make the choice to smoke because its danger is not iminent or immediately apparent.


Would you spew religious dogma or political ideals at the streetcorner in order to persuade the multitudes who wish not to hear your banal reproaches?  Or do you laugh at and pity the crazies who do the same?

What makes what you are doing here any different?

quote:

ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
I have a right to not have my air smell and cause me asthma. I also have a right to go to a restaurant or bar and not have my clothes and hair reek from it. By all means your rights are important. but not when they infringe on mine.




Open air outdoor environments, even when heavily populated with smokers are full of far more dense and dangerous pollutants than cigarette smoke.  There have long been bars and resturaunts with smoking sections, and even those that choose (not enforced by tyrannical laws) to prohibit smoking on their premises.  Just as you can choose to not watch an offensive television program, you can choose to not enter a smoke-filled bar.  By all means your rights are important. but not when they infringe on mine.

But my point that you have quoted above, and yet still managed to ignore, was that when you choose to violate my rights; you also grease the wheel for the violation of your own.



Its not dogma and believe it or not, I smoke an occasional cigarette. but are you trying to say that I should not be able to go to a bar because you want to smoke if i am a non smoker? The rights of the few should not outweigh the rights of the many.

Eddited to say: A private club can become a smoking environment with 2/3rd of clientelle approval . No club or bar has 100% smoking patrons. but feel free to go to a smoking club. I shouldnt be able to complain if I am there.

Also when the bars and restaurants whent smoke free where I live this past january 1st, the owners thought that their business would suffer. What they found out was the opposite happened as now non smokers can be patrons of the places they were forced out of rom the smell and ill effects to their health. And lets face it. The all mighty dollar does rule.



abcbsex -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 1:39:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

When you are coughing all the time and have chronic bronchitis dont complain about how crappy you feel.


I have to reply to this because I have found that of the friends of mine who smoke (I have to say that this is not a sample population, I'm talking about 5 or 6 people here), most of them get sick all the damn time and can't explain why... as they are inhaling cigarette smoke. Now I smoke too, about a pack a month, but as soon as I feel my throat getting scratchy I lay off for a bit. One of my friends in particular kept up her pack a day habit then bitched to me about having walking pneumonia, bronchitis and an upper respiratory infection, all at the same time! Then she proceeded to bitch about her doctor telling her to stop smoking. Her legal choice or not, it would have been a lot smarter for her just to put the cigarettes away. Moderation and common sense people!




angelwithhonor -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 1:50:17 PM)

i have to say what a very big turn off it is for anyone to smoke! and it is a hard limit for me. Sir does smoke !! i did ask politely and of course respectfully. not to smoke around me. i think it is all about respecting others feelings. i did sign the band on smoking in puplic places. i have never smoked and think my gosh its nasty!! and kissing oooooooo big turn off. but so many do it now including my 23 year old daughter! no matter how much we bitch and moan to everyone, ppl do as they please. i love it now that i can enjoy dinner without smoke. what do you think about the hospitals and plants like HONDA arent allowed to even smoke on their grounds or their cars? [:'(]



Leatherist -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 1:55:25 PM)

I'm allergic to cigarette smoke..It does not happen in my presecence,and  I will not touch anyone with so much as the taint of it on them.



darchChylde -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 2:14:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Its not dogma and believe it or not, I smoke an occasional cigarette. but are you trying to say that I should not be able to go to a bar because you want to smoke if i am a non smoker? The rights of the few should not outweigh the rights of the many.


I'm not saying that what you say about smoking is dogma, ever hear of a simile?  I am saying that proselytizing is proselytizing and that you place yourself in rather distasteful company.

And as for the democratic ideals that this country is supposedly intended to espouse, the rights of the few do not outweigh the rights of the many; and in the same vein, the rights of the many do not outweigh the few.  The rights of all are of equal importance.

And as far as the rights of the many? 

-54 million americans smoke http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,920057,00.html which is approximately 1/6th or 16 percent of the population of 304 billion http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

-That means that there are far more smokers than either of the two major minority races in the united states

black or african american 35 million
hispanic or latino (of any race) 42 million
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ADPTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-ds_name=ACS_2005_EST_G00_&-_lang=en&-_caller=geoselect&-format=

I mean really, when compared to these other numbers; how mkuch of a minority are smokers?



Please... READ MY WORDS; I'm not saying that you should not be able to go into a bar because i want to smoke.  I'm saying that i deserve the same right as you.  You, to choose a smoke-free bar to enjoy your drinks.  I, to choose another establishment that openly allows me to have my cigarette without having to step outside.





littlesarbonn -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 2:18:45 PM)

You know, even though I'm someone who identifies as a slave, rather than a submissive (yes, we can all argue semantics another day), one of my initial limits is smoking. Is she smokes, I'm probably not going to be interested in serving her in the first place.



lusciouslips19 -> RE: Smoking as a rule? (5/8/2008 2:34:04 PM)

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Please... READ MY WORDS; I'm not saying that you should not be able to go into a bar because i want to smoke.  I'm saying that i deserve the same right as you.  You, to choose a smoke-free bar to enjoy your drinks.  I, to choose another establishment that openly allows me to have my cigarette without having to step outside.


Perhaps we need both. but where I live the ban is in effect. When i use to go to a bar, I knew I would go home smelling like cigarettes and I would probably have one(ex smoker when out of sight ,out of mind, but I want when its around,sometimes). It was the price I paid and I didnt mind. but I gotta say, I like it better now that I dont have too febreeze my clothes or be as influenced by those around me. It helps that my Sir has said,"feel free to smoke,but i wont kiss you if you do". that has been a big deterent.



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