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LadyPact -> RE: .complaining instead of accepting. (4/30/2008 5:44:14 PM)

I have to tell you, the.dark., you certainly hit on something that I've been going over Myself in My own head these last few weeks.  There's a certain upswing in the trend, wouldn't you say?

It's funny, in a way, how some of these particular topics seem to have a 'rush' on them at times.  Recently, I've noticed the increase, and more than once, while I've been reading the upteenth thread on the same silliness, I've sat here at My desk and wondered what on earth goes through some people's minds?  Lately, I think I'm more prone to either ignore those kinds of questions completely.  Too many times, folks don't see that common denominator in all of their issues with their relationships, which happens to be themselves.  There's good advice in the old adage of 'put your own house (yourself) in order first'.  If a person can't understand that they have trouble with ALL of their relationships, maybe everybody else isn't the problem.

So, just to save Myself the effort of typing the same thing over and over in response to the excellent examples you gave, here's the 101 of My personal answers:

  • Anti family/children doms.
  • dominants that want you to get on your knees.
  • dominants that cheat and lie.
  • dominants that change the protocol/agreement/contract without 'caring'.
  • subs that top from the bottom.
  • subs that cheat and lie.
  • subs that want only 'sugar daddies'.
  • pro dommes or female dominants that demand tributes.
  • bad dominants and submissives that attend munches/groups/parties that one person doesn't like/agree with and black listing.
  • allegedly abusive people and situations where Ds/Ms or BDSM may be involved.

*  Not everybody is for everybody else.  They get to have their own preferences, and the added responsibility of your children, or potential children with you, isn't a requirement on anybody's part.

*  If you're talking about the cyber bs, you have to remember, that it's cyber, and it's bs.

*  Dominants are not some sacred part of the population who are exempt from the same human characteristics as the rest of the population.  Did you ever think that just because somebody slapped a Dominant title in front of their name, it should still be up to you to decide if they are a person of integrity?

*  Look at this the same way you would as a contract with your employer, landlord, or anybody else.  If it changes, doesn't it give you the option to leave the contract?

*  Again, think about the business world.  If you own a shop, and your employees start telling you how to run it, how long would they be getting their paycheck from you?  (There's more on this, but I don't think I have the strength.)

*  Reverse the roles, and see what it says from the other side of the kneel above.

*  There are leeches in the vanilla world, too.  Don't be a twit with your bank account.

*  Don't bitch just because you couldn't find for free what some have to pay for.  There are plenty of folks who Top in the lifestyle.  Find one, or pay.

*  Who ever promised you that you would like/approve/get along with every person out of a particular group of people?  Get over yourself.  Just because people at these events also happen to be kinky, doesn't mean you are going to be best friends with all of them.

*  As hard as it is to say, nobody gets to make that determination about a relationship except the people involved.  It's not your business until one of those parties makes it your business.  When they do, be supportive.


Ahhhh.  That felt better.  Now I'm off to the Ask A Mistress forum to put up My own question/complaint.

As always, My best to Darcy.




Vigilantejustice -> RE: .complaining instead of accepting. (4/30/2008 8:46:46 PM)

Fast Reply:
Pissing and moaning... yeargh.
I think Ani Difranco put it best, and her words are ones I try to live by.:

"And when I look around, I think this, this is good enough.
I try to laugh, at whatever life brings.
Cause when I look down, I just miss all the good stuff,
And when I look up, I just trip over things."

-Corinne
House Vigilante




stella41b -> RE: .complaining instead of accepting. (4/30/2008 11:36:52 PM)

Disclaimer: I'm human, therefore imperfect, I've done a lot of things in my life, not all of them intelligent or sensible, in fact the minority of things I've done in my life were intelligent or sensible, I have failed, I have been stupid, I have completely messed up, sometimes spectacularly, I've got the wrong end of the stick, I have my faults, weaknesses and insecurities.

I take a more balanced view of this 'phenomenon'.. Take simple biology. We have a capacity for rational thought, but also have emotional reasoning, and balancing the two gives us unlimited potential for stupidity. Together with stupidity I also see kink as a basic part of human nature. Our males have the largest dicks of any species in the animal kingdom, we can breed like rabbits, we are the most sexual of animals.

I have to sit on the fence here because I see both sides. We are surrounded by idiots and stupidity, we see it all the time, so why then do we expect that these people show more wisdom and intelligence? Where are they going to get that wisdom and intelligence from? Divine intervention? No, they have to work it out for themselves, but to work out the solution to the problem they first have to see the problem. The solution might not work out. So then what? You're stuck with the problem and have to try and find another solution.

Society also plays a part too. So does the media. Recently in the UK we had a serial killer who murdered five prostitutes.. not women, prostitutes. Neither journalists nor editor spared any thought for the bereaved families, people who were grieving the loss of their loved ones, who were all women in their 20's, but they wrote it right out on the front page 'prostitutes'. We live in a society which cheapens, fetishizes, cheapens, debases, dehumanizes, bastardizes and even verbally sodomizes some of the most beautiful things in the world, things like love, relationships, friendships, and so on. We have become desensitized, immunized, we no longer feel shocked, outraged, we are bombarded with so much of this information, so much if who is fucking who and why and where and when and who is taking what with whom on what occasion that it enters the social psyche, and can influence our thinking, behaviour and interactions if we let it.

BDSM is about people, which I assume we all know, and the people found here are the exact same people you meet anywhere on the street. But we have also evolved, we've worked it out, the illusions were shattered, we made our mistakes and we learned our lessons. This may not be necessarily true for people coming into the community, who don't see the person, but see Dom, sub, switch, they see the LIFESTYLE, they see the roles, the rituals, this new magical land of kink, fetish where anything and everything is possible, and they react like dogs left alone in a meat shop.

Much of the theory behind what I do in theatre comes straight out of BDSM, I see a very close analogy between the two.. and for many people it really is theatre of two people. The term 'play' isn't a coincidence, and people get to dress up, assume roles at these times, and do things to each other which in the real world they wouldn't dream of doing to anyone else. The relationships they form with other people are usually very deep, profound relationships, some see it as a lifestyle because to them it is. I see this. It isn't for me, because I sleep, live and devote myself to my theatre.

Some people though jump into it both feet first assuming that the lifestyle will prove to be the panacea of their whole life, that escape from reality, and that magical element leading to successful relationships. They get it all arse end backwards, they start from kink and sex and go straight for the collar. This isn't CollarMe, but CollarFast, BDSM speed dating. Then they get upset when reality comes back.

I don't know about sheltered lifestyles. I do believe that some people live in utility cupboards.

Sometimes I wonder whether people are making some of this stuff up. I mean, if they can get as far as the CollarMe website, log in, remember their password, wait for a page to download, check to see if they've got any messages, and click on the 'Message Boards' icon in the top left hand corner you'd think they can use a Google or similar search engine and type in what they want to know. You get threads like..

- I'm new to the lifestyle.. Can a Dom tell a sub what to do?

- What if I can't remember my safeword?

- Does being hit with a flogger hurt?

- I met this Dom who's into knife play. But I was stabbed six months ago by a mugger. Is knife play safe?

I'm being facetious of course, but I guess many people will get the drift.

This is why I'm a little dubious about entering the new Message Boards chat.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: .complaining instead of accepting. (5/1/2008 12:13:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
 
Or is it that not that BDSM isn't full of these allegedly bad people, but instead, full of people who don't/can't/won't make healthy and productive decisions for their own lives and accept that its themselves that are the fucking-uppers, not those they so readily want to shift the blame onto?  Is it all unrealistic expectations being placed on people they don't even know?  Are there magnets to suffering?
 
the.dark.


Since I feel this is an apt description of society as a whole, it's not surprising that we see it here. It pops up alot because it's the nature of drama to declare it's presence. Actually, I bet it's pretty standard forum behavior...only because we are actually meeting people here, it's a bit more prevalent here.

Master Fire




mistoferin -> RE: .complaining instead of accepting. (5/1/2008 5:45:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HerLord

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Not to anyone in particular~

I know that not everyone has a close, trusted friend that they can confide in and talk to but....

I just can not imagine coming to this forum to ask for advice about personal matters in my relationship. It amazes me some of the very personal things that I have seen people post on here. I would feel as though I were seriously dishonoring my dominant to post such intimate details such as "my Dominant did this...is it wrong?". I know that he would not be very pleased about it either.
Erin.
First let me open with, I have had some very dirty laundry aired about me in these forums. Some deeply personal things.

My Love and I had a conversation early on about what we would agree to share and what not to share on these boards. We do not discuss every post prior to posting. We had agreed that since we were here largely as a learning tool *1 we both decided that being as we are completely honest and open with each other the only way to gain the most from our experience here, would be the same here. How can the questions, doubts, fears and curiosities possibly be responded to unbiased, and therefor misleading, to our situation if we can't be honest?

So we do not pull punches here. Our lives, our love, and our pursuit of happiness depnds on our thoughts being clearly and un disguisedly displayed. Neither of us are infallible. We both have made mistakes. We have both done things that maybe should have been done differenly. But I only speak for myself here but, I am who I am, for the things I have done. If any of the things I had done, had been done differently, would I be the same person I am now? Well, I like myself enough now to not want me to be different, so I am content with the things that got me to be who I am.
[sm=2cents.gif]spent


Don't get me wrong, I think that we should share our experiences....the good stuff AND our mistakes. I know that I certainly have shared some of the most personal and embarassing moments of my life right here on these boards. However, there is a difference in sharing an experience so that another may learn something from it.....and sharing an experience as a means of airing dirty laundry, starting a drama party, humiliating your partner or garnering support for the "rightness" of your position so you can take it back and smack them in the face with it....and I have seen it done for those reasons here many times over.

I'm glad when someone can look at my mistakes and learn something that saves them from the same fate....but I won't lay the emotions of someone I love on the chopping block in order to save another.




Bethnai -> RE: .complaining instead of accepting. (5/1/2008 6:43:45 AM)

I'd say 96% of the whiney posts are started by alt. personalities just to see if they can suck the lifeblood out of people again.  They seem to do it quite well, judging from the 5 or 6 pages that follow them.  I have accepted the fact that I can find 2 or 3 posted here, another 2 on Ask a Sub, at least 1 on Ask a Master and possibly another 1 on the Off Topic Discussion. This will be followed by at least 2 "investigative" threads on the why people do what they do. 

Sometimes an Alt. will actually post something that is not whining and minimally entertaining as if to say-and this is for the rest of you.  They are so obviously alt. profiles but at least its something completely different.  I've accepted that. 













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