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Would it have been any easier had he said 'just give me $'... noooooooo... i'd still be hurting for being played a fool. i KNOW i'm not saying this the way i want... there WILL be someone out there that falls for this... why does that make it right??? It doesn't! And someone will get hurt... probably badly... but the person with the profile can say 'oh i told you upfront'... get's her off the hook... right? Makes it ok, right? So what another human being gets trampled, right? 'She was honest' so that makes it ok... sorry but i think that's bs.

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Read this There may very well be more females wanting to scam men for money, but definitely not sufficient to outnumber male liars who scam for other things. At least this particular female is courteous enough to be honest about her intentions, something I find more honorable than much of what the men do to get what they want.

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Honestly,the way you people here twist and turn things to suit your selfishness is truly astounding at times. We call that "being a sociopath".

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ORIGINAL: strongnsubmissiv

... till i saw a Femdom profile with this...

The first task is for you to pay off my debts which equal 18,000
Do not come to me grovelling that you can't or won't do these things.

I know this topic has been beat to death, but it saddens me to see such blatant opportunism. It's one thing to say that financial domination is a legitimate kink, but to actually state a specific dollar amount in a profile is just pathetic.

I suspect she thinks that submissive men are chumps to fall for that kind of crap, and it just saddens me.

Takes all kinds i guess..


sns

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ORIGINAL: angelic

i truly did not mean to start such a terrible rant, here. i just don't like the fact that another person is taken advantage of, under the veil of honesty.

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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2


How are they being taken advantage of if they agree knowingly?

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I don't find the given example unethical. I personally point out in my profile that I make no promises other than the opportunity to serve with honor. I don't promise sex, play or love. Is it unethical for me to advertise for someone to serve as an unpaid maid? Perhaps for some it is. If someone accepted such a post within my household after being assured that I meant exactly what I wrote, have I taken advantage of them by accepting their service? In the eyes of some, probably so.
We each are looking for someone who meets our needs. Regardless of what those needs may be, we should each be able to judge for ourselves who best meets those needs. As to the question of buyer's remorse, we're all adults and those of us who don't use good judgement can either take responsibility for our failings or we can blame the one who accepted what we willingly offered. The person that forks over $18K for the opportunity to serve a domme may well live to regret it but is his remorse any more or less poignant than that of any other disillusioned soul? Whether it's money or a broken heart, folks suffer the consequences of their actions every day.
I guess I just get puzzled when I see this question treated like it's any different than any other question of compatability. I want a slave who understands that I may never lay a finger on her unless it suits my purposes. Most females out there find that to be at odds with their desires and so they do not line up at my door begging to serve my household. They don't act like I'm trolling for suckers who don't know any better. In the same way, when I see a slave advertising for an owner who will love and cherish her, I don't point out that, according to my requirements, love and affection are not a proper foundation for an owner/property dynamic. I just pass them over and respect their right to seek out what they want and need.
If you find it distasteful, you're free to choose to avoid such an arrangement. So why all the vitriol?
Timothy

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ORIGINAL: strongnsubmissiv

My point simply is that the profile in question is just so blatantly obvious. Stating intentions up front doesn't make it right, and i fail to see how paying a huge financial debt for someone has anything to do with BDSM.

There's a reason this woman posted the profile here, and not on a vanilla site stating the same conditions. It has the potential to exploit a sexually submissive male, who just might be confused about his sexuality.

In my opinion it's shameful; regardless of what is stated upfront.

sns

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ORIGINAL: strongnsubmissiv

I wonder if we should ask native North Americans the same question?

My point simply is that the profile in question is just so blatantly obvious. Stating intentions up front doesn't make it right, and i fail to see how paying a huge financial debt for someone has anything to do with BDSM.

There's a reason this woman posted the profile here, and not on a vanilla site stating the same conditions. It has the potential to exploit a sexually submissive male, who just might be confused about his sexuality.

In my opinion it's shameful; regardless of what is stated upfront.

sns

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ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176



If "stating it up front doesn't make it right", then is it fair to assume that you have been appointed final arbiter of what is right? Your position indicates that you have declared that this is wrong under any circumstances, including willing consent from both involved parties.

My question is a simple one, on what basis have you determined that two consenting adults are not free to choose the basis for their own dynamic?

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I think you do submissives a grave disservice, however, when you draw conclusions that predispose their inability to look after their own best interests. Contrary to popular fiction, rarely are submissives incapable of making their own decisions when it comes to choosing a dominant. Believe me, if they were that easy to "exploit", toy would have more help with the laundry.

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Since your position and your tagline are in apparent opposition, perhaps you would prefer to restate your position and thereby avoid the appearance of contradiction.

Timothy

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ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176


Having read through the entire thread, I thought I would throw in my perspective. I've read profiles of those who make it clear they expect to be provided for by someone who's "financially secure" and I've read profiles of those who claim to be "financially secure" and looking for someone to provide for.
Regardless of how it impacts a third party's sensibilities, the fact is, there are people who put themselves out for rent and people looking for someone to rent. I may or may not find such an approach suitable for myself, but I'm not being asked for my blessings, either.
I don't find the given example unethical. I personally point out in my profile that I make no promises other than the opportunity to serve with honor. I don't promise sex, play or love. Is it unethical for me to advertise for someone to serve as an unpaid maid? Perhaps for some it is. If someone accepted such a post within my household after being assured that I meant exactly what I wrote, have I taken advantage of them by accepting their service? In the eyes of some, probably so.
We each are looking for someone who meets our needs. Regardless of what those needs may be, we should each be able to judge for ourselves who best meets those needs. As to the question of buyer's remorse, we're all adults and those of us who don't use good judgement can either take responsibility for our failings or we can blame the one who accepted what we willingly offered. The person that forks over $18K for the opportunity to serve a domme may well live to regret it but is his remorse any more or less poignant than that of any other disillusioned soul? Whether it's money or a broken heart, folks suffer the consequences of their actions every day.
I guess I just get puzzled when I see this question treated like it's any different than any other question of compatability. I want a slave who understands that I may never lay a finger on her unless it suits my purposes. Most females out there find that to be at odds with their desires and so they do not line up at my door begging to serve my household. They don't act like I'm trolling for suckers who don't know any better. In the same way, when I see a slave advertising for an owner who will love and cherish her, I don't point out that, according to my requirements, love and affection are not a proper foundation for an owner/property dynamic. I just pass them over and respect their right to seek out what they want and need.
If you find it distasteful, you're free to choose to avoid such an arrangement. So why all the vitriol?
Timothy