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The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 7:12:46 PM

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Has Ron Paul laid the foundation for a new era of libertarianism in America?

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“Ron Paul owns the future,” influential evangelical Doug Wead concluded in an early April post on his personal blog. Wead makes an unlikely Paul enthusiast: his religious background might seem a better fit for Mike Huckabee. And his personal history—as an adviser to both Presidents Bush—might have inclined him toward the triumphant establishment candidate, John McCain. But in Ron Paul and the movement that championed him, Wead saw something remarkable: “His is a campaign of ideas. … His army was left unchallenged on the battlefield. Now their ideas have taken root and they will grow.”

Yes, they will—they have already begun to. The Ron Paul “revolution,” as it is known to its adherents, has made deep inroads into an area where Republicans are otherwise weak: energizing and mobilizing young people. Already, Paul has inspired other Republicans, mostly young themselves, to campaign for Congress on his antiwar, fiscally conservative platform. A new youth movement is also coming into being as Students for Ron Paul reconfigures into a permanent libertarian-conservative activist organization, Young Americans for Liberty. And these are just the first manifestations of the revolution’s second act, as youth gains political experience.

Wead had no connection to the campaign, but early on he sensed what it might become. The day after Super Tuesday, Wead compared the legacy of the Paul campaign to that of Barry Goldwater’s 1964 run. Paul’s supporters, he wrote, “are producing blogs and papers and books and like Goldwater’s revolution they will be able to say that they could see what the country missed. They were there when history was made.”

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_04_21/article2.html

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 7:26:10 PM

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Has Ron Paul laid the foundation for a new era of libertarianism in America?

One can only hope?

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 7:29:54 PM

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I voted for him in the primary.
I'll be writing in his name in November.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 7:38:27 PM

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Two beautiful women supporting Paul.

What is it that drew you both to him? The man, or his ideas, a bit of both?

One thing he and I wouldn't agree on is universal health care. I get the argument against it, but I still believe it can be done, somehow.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 7:44:34 PM

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I voted for him in the primaries, but I imagine his "revolution" will fade away just like a lot of others. I don't know why the author of this article is comparing him to Barry Goldwater. The Goldwater wing of the Republican Party lost, and has been drown out for 30 years by Christian fundamentalists and Rockefellar Republicans (the neo-cons). I heard the same thing about Ross Perot when he ran in 1992. True, his hardcore supporters did manage to hang in there throughout the 90's. But, they faded away eventually. I don't see the two party system going away anytime soon, and I don't see any major changes coming down the pike. I'd like there to be some monumental changes, but I am a pessimist.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 7:46:59 PM

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I like some of his thoughts but...he's pro life. So he gets a no in my book.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 7:47:41 PM

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A lot of people see Goldwater as laying the groundwork for the success enjoyed by Reagan, Gingrich, etc, thus the comparison, I believe. Kind of "losing the battle, but winning the war".

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 7:50:32 PM

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I just figure he can't be any worse than what we have now in both dems and republicans. It's worth the four year gamble to find out.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 7:52:38 PM

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I just figure he can't be any worse than what we have now in both dems and republicans. It's worth the four year gamble to find out.

good point there....

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 7:52:58 PM

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I hear you. That's sorta how I felt about Perot, and his charts....

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 8:21:35 PM

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HMMMM... Well, I just like the fact the he is incredibly practical and blunt. He is on the right track as to less governement. Although we will always need reasonable laws, I am very comfortable and agree with Dr. Paul that much of what the federal government controls is not supposed to be in the federal government's control. It is easier to force accountability at state, county and city levels of government. It would also negate a lot of the lobbying and corruption if there was less to govern at the national level. Frankly, at this point in our history, the States are at the mercy of the Feds more often than not. "Comply, or we will not give you the money that your citizens have been forced to pay via the IRS." The Feds should be at the mercy of the states and the people of those states.
To the poster who wrote that Dr, Paul gets a no because he is "pro-life", please bear in mind that he also believes that the issue of abortion (excuse Me, if I am to be PC, I guess I would have to say "right to choose") should not be a federal issue in the first place. It belongs in each individual state. He is personally opposed to abortion, but he is more opposed, as am I, that the federal government is forcing the issue by not only making it legal on a national level, but supporting it with tax dollars. It is a private matter. I do not have a problem with those who choose this. I do have a problem that I am being forced to help pay for it.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 9:12:31 PM

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I love how he's still fooling some folks.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 9:38:42 PM

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I don't know if there will be permanent movement, however, I'll be forever changed in my political viewpoints. Well, not so much changed, as most of what I believe now, I believed before I ever heard of Ron Paul, but rather by me investigating Ron Paul and the other candidates more thoroughly than I had before, I came to pretty well define my political philosophy in the end.

Good Politics is Philosophy. Therefore a good politician must have a consistent top to bottom viewpoint, and be able to explain it. That is what is lacking in the other politicians, you can guess what Ron Paul will say about something before he says it once you understand the Framework he is applying to himself, and decisions. I don't know of another politician running that is as consistent, and defined in his views, as Ron Paul.

If you don't know yourself well enough to explain your beliefs and viewpoints to others why would I ever trust you with the country?

Anyway, I still can't define the philosophy of any of the other politicians other than in very broad strokes and in some cases apt to change on a dime.

Ron Paul did change his view on capital punishment, but that was after new data showed the false convictions and executions were higher than previously thought. The ideas didn't change just the data in that case.

Anyway, I can point out a few of the other candidates flip-flops, that appear to change with the wind, but I don't want to turn it into a brawl over nothing.

If this country knew what was good for it, Ron Paul would have won in a landslide, instead, what are we getting. A 100 year war, and probably expand it to Iran, or we are going to get an even bigger government, more government control, and be less likely to leave Iraq. Ron Paul 100% would have gotten us out of Iraq, like farglebargle says, the blood is on all the rest of your hands now, and when the deficit balloons even further, and the inevitable increase in inflation, and/or tax increases.....

Well, whatever, just put it this way this country is now left with 3 less trustworthy, less defined, more apt to war candidates than Ron Paul, so I guess that tells you what 90% of the country values in a leader. Personally, I like seeing a consistent record, and a well defined history of sticking to his stated objectives.

To much for the US I guess, I think people prefer a sweet lie over the hard truth, actually I know this for a fact, and thus the problem. People say they want hard reality, but the overwhelming vast majority just want someone to protect them from monsters, and ensure them there will be food on the table. No one checks beyond the sound bites anyway.

Yes we can....

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 9:44:10 PM

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I love how he's still fooling some folks.

I love it when fools post garbage.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 10:05:17 PM

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I love how he's still fooling some folks.

I love it when fools post garbage.

So rather than asking what I'm talking about you go straight to flames. Sounds like you're one of the ones who suspects he's playing all of his supporters and are wishing it wasn't so hard enough to bring tinkerbell back to life.

Unfortunately the evidence is clear. He does not actually respect the Constitution as written. He did consort with racists and allow them to spew their garbage in his publications. He does put his extreme religious beliefs ahead of his ethical requirements as a doctor and in opposition to exactly what the Libertarian Party claims to stand for. He does make a big deal of voting against all spending bills while ensuring that the pork does come home to his district.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 10:24:26 PM

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I love how he's still fooling some folks.

I love it when fools post garbage.

So rather than asking what I'm talking about you go straight to flames. Sounds like you're one of the ones who suspects he's playing all of his supporters and are wishing it wasn't so hard enough to bring tinkerbell back to life.

Unfortunately the evidence is clear. He does not actually respect the Constitution as written. He did consort with racists and allow them to spew their garbage in his publications. He does put his extreme religious beliefs ahead of his ethical requirements as a doctor and in opposition to exactly what the Libertarian Party claims to stand for. He does make a big deal of voting against all spending bills while ensuring that the pork does come home to his district.

I was just stating what I loved out of the blue like you did. I guess you decided you fit the description.

You go boy...

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 4/30/2008 10:29:32 PM

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I suspect part of the reason Ron Paul is so popular is that there is a relatively large body of fiscally conservative but socially "liberal" (by which I mean largely the 'hands off, government' crowd but also some relatively classic liberals who happen to believe in balanced budgets) individuals who fit into neither party well.

A two party system cannot survive if the majority of voters endorse neither party; I suspect, though, one side or the other will realize this inequality and make a play for it.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 5/1/2008 5:14:15 AM

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I love how he's still fooling some folks.

I love it when fools post garbage.

So rather than asking what I'm talking about you go straight to flames. Sounds like you're one of the ones who suspects he's playing all of his supporters and are wishing it wasn't so hard enough to bring tinkerbell back to life.

Unfortunately the evidence is clear. He does not actually respect the Constitution as written. He did consort with racists and allow them to spew their garbage in his publications. He does put his extreme religious beliefs ahead of his ethical requirements as a doctor and in opposition to exactly what the Libertarian Party claims to stand for. He does make a big deal of voting against all spending bills while ensuring that the pork does come home to his district.

About as clear as those pictures of Obama being sworn in on a Koran?

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 5/1/2008 5:22:49 AM

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HMMMM... Well, I just like the fact the he is incredibly practical and blunt. He is on the right track as to less governement. Although we will always need reasonable laws, I am very comfortable and agree with Dr. Paul that much of what the federal government controls is not supposed to be in the federal government's control. It is easier to force accountability at state, county and city levels of government. It would also negate a lot of the lobbying and corruption if there was less to govern at the national level. Frankly, at this point in our history, the States are at the mercy of the Feds more often than not. "Comply, or we will not give you the money that your citizens have been forced to pay via the IRS." The Feds should be at the mercy of the states and the people of those states.

To the poster who wrote that Dr, Paul gets a no because he is "pro-life", please bear in mind that he also believes that the issue of abortion (excuse Me, if I am to be PC, I guess I would have to say "right to choose") should not be a federal issue in the first place. It belongs in each individual state. He is personally opposed to abortion, but he is more opposed, as am I, that the federal government is forcing the issue by not only making it legal on a national level, but supporting it with tax dollars. It is a private matter. I do not have a problem with those who choose this. I do have a problem that I am being forced to help pay for it.

I almost missed this part, guess its time to go get the eyes checked.

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RE: The Ron Paul Evolution - 5/1/2008 6:29:20 AM

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I love how he's still fooling some folks.

I love it when fools post garbage.

So rather than asking what I'm talking about you go straight to flames. Sounds like you're one of the ones who suspects he's playing all of his supporters and are wishing it wasn't so hard enough to bring tinkerbell back to life.

Unfortunately the evidence is clear. He does not actually respect the Constitution as written. He did consort with racists and allow them to spew their garbage in his publications. He does put his extreme religious beliefs ahead of his ethical requirements as a doctor and in opposition to exactly what the Libertarian Party claims to stand for. He does make a big deal of voting against all spending bills while ensuring that the pork does come home to his district.

About as clear as those pictures of Obama being sworn in on a Koran?