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Mercnbeth -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 10:22:42 AM)

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After I wrote this post I remembered a girl I knew several years ago. She was one who claimed to have no wants or needs....her entire existence was for the sole purpose of his pleasure. They were married and quite well off. She did not work outside the home. Every year she got a brand new car, she was a creative cook and there was no short supply of top quality food on their table, their home was gorgeous. The first time I saw their bedroom I can remember thinking that I'd never seen so many pillows and I thought that if that were my bed I might just never get out of it. She had excellent health insurance. At least two nights a week they went out for a nice dinner....and she went out with the girls at least one night a week. Her clothing was always "this year's". She went to the spa once a week to have her hair and nails done. Her husband/Master loved her dearly and was very openly affectionate. He showered her in gifts and flowers frequently. Most of her days were spent in the garden or doing crafts, watching tv or playing on the computer. Yet with all of that provided for her she still insisted that her sole purpose and interest in life was him.


beth does NOT , go out with the 'girls', go to the spa once a week and only gets her hair and nails done for 'special occasions' - like Folsom, or Saturday night![;)] 

I keep her naked which is always "this year" and in 'style'! However I did just get her some matching purple cuffs last time we were in Vegas.

SO THERE! [sm=ass.gif] [sm=whip.gif]

There is a high 'price' she has to pay - she has to live with me! [sm=jaw.gif]

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But of course we can't all be so blessed. So I wonder, if you were in a relationship were your most basic needs were not being met....food, shelter...a place to lay your head....what, other than a serious lack of self esteem....would keep a person there?


as someone who has been in relationships where the other person did not provide any of this slave's basic needs, but was the one provided FOR...love and loyalty to the commitment this slave had made.




MistressDolly -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 10:25:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: khem

From what I gather, a large part of the satisfaction from service acts comes from the approval and/or happiness of the person they are doing it for.  Like, just doing the dishes is lame.  Doing the dishes because it makes their top happy and more relaxed is an entirely different thing.  It's all where your head's at, I guess.


Absolutely




mistoferin -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 10:57:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
beth does NOT , go out with the 'girls', go to the spa once a week and only gets her hair and nails done for 'special occasions' - like Folsom, or Saturday night![;)] 

I keep her naked which is always "this year" and in 'style'! However I did just get her some matching purple cuffs last time we were in Vegas.

SO THERE! [sm=ass.gif] [sm=whip.gif]

There is a high 'price' she has to pay - she has to live with me! [sm=jaw.gif]



OMG...too funny! If you keep her naked so much of the time Merc, surely you must be saving enough on laundry to pop in at least an occasional spa visit.[:D]




SimplyMichael -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 11:09:39 AM)

The people who love to talk about no needs are full of crap.  If you had no needs you would simply go and sit at a glory hole all day and serve anyone who comes along.

At a minimum, you need food and shelter.
You might give much of yourself to a partner but you CHOSE that partner because they met what you NEED in a partner.

I think SOME might have their shit together and surrender much ONCE they have chosen a partner who has proven to them that they can create a safe and secure environment.

The rest is online fluff and real life drama.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 11:13:10 AM)

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If you had no needs you would simply go and sit at a glory hole all day and serve anyone who comes along.


Micheal -
How did you know that's how I met beth!?




SimplyMichael -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 11:58:00 AM)

As always Merc, someone as amazing as  you is the exception that proves the rule.  However, she only chose you because you were the only one who didn't just shove it in, you made her beg for it right?




Mercnbeth -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 12:13:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

As always Merc, someone as amazing as  you is the exception that proves the rule.  However, she only chose you because you were the only one who didn't just shove it in, you made her beg for it right?

Yeah, kinda like how I've had to do with you about coming to visit this weekend! You tease!

See you in June!

BTW - at the Munch last night the talk was of having a 'Roman Orgy' - (WHOOPS!) I mean 'Roman Toga' night at my place in June. I'll let you know when the date is confirmed and try to push for it to be during your trip. That should be fun!




Missokyst -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 1:01:53 PM)

I choose to stay away from that slave state for my own well-being because I know it isn't something many people handle well. 
Now that I am older I can embrace my needs and desires for pleasure and satisfaction. 
I don't know if it is maturity, or cynicism which makes me want to puke when I see people sceraming at the top of their lungs (type-i-cally speaking) "serving MASTERS needs are all I require" For me that type of declaration is veering on the crap of which you speak.  Not because I think its bull, but because for me that is like doing handstands on a bike.  It is there so you can show off, or be "sublier than thou"
I doubt I ever called my first guy by any other name than his own.  And as we were together physically there was no need to cap his name in proclamation.  I do think it is possible to think of your own needs as unimportant.  But it seems to me if they are unimportant there is less need to crow about it, it just happens.
I enjoy the way beth posts because there is a peace to what she says.  I avoid those other posts where people are still screaming about their MASTER, because that will alway make me cringe.
Kyst
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

The people who love to talk about no needs are full of crap.  If you had no needs you would simply go and sit at a glory hole all day and serve anyone who comes along.





Leatherist -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 1:06:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

I choose to stay away from that slave state for my own well-being because I know it isn't something many people handle well. 
Now that I am older I can embrace my needs and desires for pleasure and satisfaction. 
I don't know if it is maturity, or cynicism which makes me want to puke when I see people sceraming at the top of their lungs (type-i-cally speaking) "serving MASTERS needs are all I require" For me that type of declaration is veering on the crap of which you speak.  Not because I think its bull, but because for me that is like doing handstands on a bike.  It is there so you can show off, or be "sublier than thou"
I doubt I ever called my first guy by any other name than his own.  And as we were together physically there was no need to cap his name in proclamation.  I do think it is possible to think of your own needs as unimportant.  But it seems to me if they are unimportant there is less need to crow about it, it just happens.
I enjoy the way beth posts because there is a peace to what she says.  I avoid those other posts where people are still screaming about their MASTER, because that will alway make me cringe.
Kyst
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

The people who love to talk about no needs are full of crap.  If you had no needs you would simply go and sit at a glory hole all day and serve anyone who comes along.




Accomplishment needs no validation.




daddysliloneds -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 1:09:37 PM)

 they're fictional characters in stories and the ones that aren't i tend to see over in the gorean forums!

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

My sole purpose is your pleasure.
It's all about you, I have no wants or needs.  Who are these folks?




KnightofMists -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 1:13:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Who are these folks?


the walking Dead!




SimplyMichael -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 1:24:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

they're fictional characters in stories and the ones that aren't i tend to see over in the gorean forums!


There is a difference?




SimplyMichael -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 1:25:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

As always Merc, someone as amazing as  you is the exception that proves the rule.  However, she only chose you because you were the only one who didn't just shove it in, you made her beg for it right?

Yeah, kinda like how I've had to do with you about coming to visit this weekend! You tease!

See you in June!

BTW - at the Munch last night the talk was of having a 'Roman Orgy' - (WHOOPS!) I mean 'Roman Toga' night at my place in June. I'll let you know when the date is confirmed and try to push for it to be during your trip. That should be fun!


Merc,  I am out of the planning business, since my schedule is flexible and hers isn't I told her to work travel out, makes my life easier but I would love to attend!




HCWT1 -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 2:26:01 PM)

I state in my profile,( My wants and needs will never overide my training,or of that i have come to beleive in. ) Within my service to the one or the many forfullment comes natually.To be a resonable sub and an even better slave one must learn to give up what brought you there in the first place,therefor no wants and needs!.




mistoferin -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 2:31:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HCWT1
Within my service to the one or the many forfullment comes natually.


Within your service fulfillment comes. So if you are fulfilled by that service it IS at the very least a want, but most likely a need.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 2:51:10 PM)

In many spiritual paths, the idea is to eventually give up all wants (desires) and surrender to the Divine. That can also be applied to slaves surrendering to their Master. But, I don't think we ever really reach that ideal and, I know we all have needs just to survive. We all need food and water, for example.

Master Fire




themischievous1 -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 2:56:57 PM)

I don't have time to read the whole thread right now so am just responding to the OP but from my perspective, submissives/slaves state this when they are merely looking for kink or to be sessioned. They are likely married or just horny and don't want an investment beyond the physical, momentary release.

Someone looking for a serious, long term relationship is going to care about their own needs. They are going to want their future partner to care about their needs, desires, and will want to know what is going to be required of them at length. Someone who really seemingly doesn't care, isn't someone who is balanced, mentally or emotionally, imho.




Leatherist -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 2:59:18 PM)

The more of this I read, the more I just want to join the calling bullshit chorus.

I guess I have just seen too much harsh reality to drift off into "la la land" anymore.

No more unicorns for me.

Wah. [:D]




mbes -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 3:43:04 PM)

Perhaps some of it is a reaction to the long and storied lists of subs' needs. I know when I read enough about how subs need guidance and training and spankings and someone to watch over them and reminders to come in out of the rain and... well, you get the picture. After reading those, I sometimes want to shout from the rooftops that no, we don't all have needs that are extraordinary, or special to the world of subbliness.
Yes, I know, overreaction isn't pretty either. I'm still prone occasionally. [:D]




Evility -> RE: Wantless, needless people (5/1/2008 3:52:20 PM)

Does such a thing really exist?

Yes, it does. People derive satisfaction and fulfillment in a variety of ways. There really are submissives out there who derive a sense of satisfaction and fulfillment from pleasing their master or dominant. Thas is their need. There are far fewer of them than the numbers suggest.

Do they not see that if they are actually fulfilled by being the total fulfillment of another that that in itself indicates that being that source of fulfillment is a want or need?

It is a need but it's a very different need than what you see exhibited by the average do-me submissive.





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