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NorthernGent -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 1:17:20 PM)
Never in the field of human conflict has so much of little sense been said by one individual.

kittinSol -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 1:19:24 PM)
Ô rage ! ô désespoir ! ô vieillesse ennemie ! N'ai-je donc tant vécu que pour cette infamie ? Et ne suis-je blanchi dans les travaux guerriers Que pour voir en un jour flétrir tant de lauriers ? Mon bras qu'avec respect tout l'Espagne admire, Mon bras, qui tant de fois a sauvé cet empire, Tant de fois affermi le trône de son roi, Trahit donc ma querelle, et ne fait rien pour moi ? Ô cruel souvenir de ma gloire passée ! Oeuvre de tant de jours en un jour effacée ! Nouvelle dignité fatale à mon bonheur ! Précipice élevé d'où tombe mon honneur ! Le Cid - Corneille

lronitulstahp -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 1:21:33 PM)
Any Jacques Prevert??? i LOOOVE him....

seeksfemslave -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 4:19:52 PM)
Ms K quotes Corneille, a verse from El Cid In French, on CM, no one else ever did. Big concepts? Deep thoughts? Few have the knowledge to dig Ms K is upset 'cos her bum is too big.

kittinSol -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 4:26:52 PM)
It's in proportion with my intellect, Seeks.

MzMia -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 6:51:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's governing Labour Party was crushed in local elections and seemed set to lose the London mayoralty Friday in results dubbed a "bloodbath" by commentators. In a rout which augurs badly for general elections due within two years, Brown -- facing the polls for the the first time since taking office last June -- oversaw his party's worst local election results since the 1960s. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080502192317.t7ttovtu&show_article=1 I read an article in the Washington Post today about the Conservatives Victory in London. The article stated Johnson would become London's first Conservative Mayor, ever. I found that so very interesting, can some of the Brits here tell me how and why he was elected? They said Labor had the worst results in 40 years. What in the bloody hell is going on over there? That has the Brits with their panties all bunched up these days? Was Blair that bad?

kittinSol -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 7:17:45 PM)
Lesson number 1: the British don't ever get their knickers in a twist over something as trivial as an election. That is why you would never reach the circus level you get in American politics, for example: people in Britain simply don't give enough of a shit. That's also why you had a 35% turnout overall, 45% in London only, and why they elected the clown Johnson as its mayor. It's a big, big joke.

MzMia -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 7:19:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Lesson number 1: the British don't ever get their knickers in a twist over something as trivial as an election. That is why you would never reach the circus level you get in American politics, for example: people in Britain simply don't give enough of a shit. That's also why you had a 35% turnout overall, 45% in London only, and why they elected the clown Johnson as its mayor. It's a big, big joke. Awww thanks for the answer, kittin. But politics and policy IS a big deal especially if you are not happy with the current Administration. Depending on what the Conservatives do or don't do, the Brits MIGHT start giving a shit, very soon.

kittinSol -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 7:23:16 PM)
It was 'only' the local elections, Mia - not that they aren't important, but they don't dictate foreign policy, for example. It's more about rubbish disposal (which is something Johnson excels at, I'll give him that).

MzMia -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 7:24:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol It was 'only' the local elections, Mia - not that they aren't important, but they don't dictate foreign policy, for example. It's more about rubbish disposal (which is something Johnson excels at, I'll give him that). True, but they elected the first Conservative Mayor, ever in London. That is pretty big isn't it? Or is he just a figurehead with no real power? BBC NEWS \| Politics \| Analysis: Boris's big win

kittinSol -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 7:49:31 PM)
Not really that big in my opinion. The office was created in 2000, so it's not like it's an amazing thing that a Conservative gets elected as Mayor of London, especially when you consider that Labour's been in power since 1997. Last millenium [:D] . As an aside... the Greater London Council was abolished by Thatcher in 86 - this made London the only Western European capital city unable to elect its own governing body. Which sucked. It's thanks to Labour in 2000 that Londoners have at last been able to choose the leaders of their city's affairs. But Johnson will be great at picking up the rubbish.

MzMia -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 7:56:29 PM)
Well politics in London are certainly getting more interesting, that Johnson seems to be quite a character!

kittinSol -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/3/2008 8:10:11 PM)
He's a bit of a tosser, if you ask me.

Raechard -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/4/2008 3:27:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MzMia Well politics in London are certainly getting more interesting, that Johnson seems to be quite a character! This is what is known as the British sense of humour going wrong. The problem is he has a high profile for being a goof and a lot of people probably voted for him to stick two fingers up at the establishment. The problem with that is they may not have realised he probably won't be the one pulling the strings. Some of his ideas so far would cost a fortune if implemented such as conductors on every bus. As a critic of the congestion/emission zone charge it will also be interesting to see if he leaves it as a convenient source of income that someone else has taken the sword up the backside for or reduce it. Remembering that the congestion charge is the only real tax raising power the mayor has and theoretically it has to be put back into transport, which is why we now have a queue of a million busses everywhere you look.

Politesub53 -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/4/2008 5:07:22 AM)
I can`t forgive Thatcher for several things, including abolishing the GLC. It was a body set up by the Conservatives some 20 years before. The idea was to expand the old LCC ( London County Council ) to take in the outlying parts of the ever growing City. Giving power back to the individual Boroughs was a nightmare. So setting up the Greater London Authority, the current office, was a much needed boost. I loved the start of Kens victory speach in 2,000. "As I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted 14 years ago".

Raechard -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/4/2008 5:16:04 AM)
Yes it is a shame he has been interrupted again. People were up in arms about the congestion charge when it first came in stating all these ways it would damage the city but they all turned out to be unfounded. He stood up and did something unpopular that needed to be done in some form or other and you won't find anyone in that office asking for it to be abolished now. I didn't agree with him on all policies such as giving unfit kids the excuse to get the bus two stops rather than walk but I think on the whole we benefited. As I said before most of his real powers were related to transport and the environmental impact of it; I don't think anyone can say that situation has got worse.

Politesub53 -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/4/2008 6:01:31 AM)
Id love to see Boris give Ken the transport portfolio. Since conception the LLC and its derivatives have been political, and not whats best for London. Wouldnt it be something if Londoners actually came before political divides. Ive often thought this would work after general elections as well. More often than not, the brightest talents are split between two camps. Yes i know its wishful thinking.

Raechard -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/4/2008 6:57:39 AM)
It's similar to the problem they have in the US with the President fighting the house majority i.e. the current government is Labour and it's not going to be so keen to work with Boris for the benefit of Londoners if it results in Boris looking more competent than Ken, the labour candidate. Ken won as an independent the first time around but to have more influence he then went back to being a Labour candidate because he realised he needed their co-operation. It's a sad political truth that party politics is far too strong, I suppose the justification being is that people vote based on which party they are representing rather than who they are as a person.

meatcleaver -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/4/2008 9:35:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks MC, you forget that Germany benefitted from massive and prolonged American investment aimed at turning it into just such an industrial powerhouse, while the Finns' ship-building industry was bankrolled by the Soviets. Britain ended the war with nothing but a mountain of debt and an Empire seeking to divest itself of their interference. But the decline of British industry began before WWII. The root of the problem is the class system and the industrial nouvo riche wanting to become and be accepted by the landed gentry. Being an engineer or a scientist in Britsin is of fairly low status and rewarded as such and always has been, with a couple of exceptions proving the rule. Engineering, science and industrial money has always been of high status in Germany. Germany has always had a higher regard for education across the whole population than in Britain, which has always had a piece meal approach to education (because of class) despite Blair's 'Education, Education, Education.' and still has. Britain is also very centralized so important local issues are decided in London rather than in the regions which in the case of Volkswagen's success (which was typical), regional support was very important. (Despite NG always talking about German conformity, Germany has always been more decentralised, liberal and free thinking than Britain apart from the NAZI period which came about through complex historical reasons and not through some mythical national character flaw. )

stella41b -> RE: Labour Party takes huge defeat in Britain (5/4/2008 2:02:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol and why they elected the clown Johnson as its mayor. It's a big, big joke. Not much entertainment in London I think. No worries, it will soon turn to drama, and then horror as it usually does with the Tories in control.

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