quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

Even if/when submission is given ?

It does not mean acceptance is guaranteed.

For a Dom has a gift too. And to receive that gift ?

Ones submission needs to be earned with their obedience,

and devotion proven.

its true - just because i submit doesn't mean he accepts my submission.


The Dom is to be Dom enough to understand that

they are to be the one with the ultimate control.
Unfortunately there is a severe shortage of

Real Male Doms out there who are truly able to

create a real submissive women.

 

i don't think you can "create" a submissive woman. You may be able to brainwash someone into believing that one way of behaving is the right way, but that isn't true submission. Submission to  me it having two or more options of behaviour, and voluntarily, and consistantly choosingthe path becausethat is where i am most comfortable. Created submissives would be like the women in the Texas church compound, who parrot the party line, wear the party clothes and have the party hairstyle. They appear to have little choice in who they are.

I on the other hand,have multiple options, and choose submission. My Sir may be able to mold my behaviours to those that please him, but it was my choice to learn those behaviours, and my choice stems from something very basic in my makeup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet just as unfortunate is the fact that there are more

submissive women out there with the sincere desire to

submit, but have lost the confidence in doing so because

of there being so many Male Dom WANNABEE Idiots out

there ruining the sincere desired intent of so many sub

women who just need to be what they were genetically

designed to be.

I don't believe that i am genetically predispositioned to be submissive. I firmly believe that this pattern of behaviour was imprinted on me as a child by my parents- abet subconsciously. I think i was "taught" by them how to please them, and act as they wished me to.  I also think that none of this was conscious, but a pattern of behaviour passed on from generation to generation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just as poisonous is that there are so many so called

subs out there with the sneaky intent to Top from the

bottom with their insistence to promote the one side

being a bigger/better/only gift on the table of

consideration. It is a rude awakening when they realize

otherwise.

don't think i have ever tried to tftb. Not sure how to go about it. Maybe i need lessons from all those sneaky bottoms.




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Female Domination is nothing but the reaction of an

extreme fear to the extent of their own submissive

desires so they counter/fight it with by being just

the opposite. Resistance created by fear in being

who they really are in the name of self preservation.
I've confronted Dommes with this theory only to receive

blushes before their head bowed in respectful submission

to the fact.

Well we have all pretty much thrown this shit in the toilet.

Not worth discussing, even though the main gist of my post

was on this quote. *Again, if you wish to discuss this one,

feel free :) *

I find this interesting , because the corrollary would be that all submissive men are submissive from fear of their own inherent dominate natures. Hmm. Doesn't ring true to me.

 

 

quote:

Or you know what I'm talking about, and know those

who play this game.
D/s is not a fetish to be played with like feet.
For those of us who respect it definitively ?
Know it as our life.

True, true. In my OP, I made fun of this statement. But it

is true, a caring Dominant knows the difference and knows

it is their life, at least I do. I suppose that is why I took

his post so seriously. I looked past his condescending ways

and his slander, and picked out the things I found interesting.

quote:


Never has there been a time in history where so many

women are willing and wanting to be who they oh so

naturally desire to be. Submissive to Man.

quote:

Real Male Doms out there who are truly able to

create a real submissive women.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

Even if/when submission is given ?

It does not mean acceptance is guaranteed.

For a Dom has a gift too. And to receive that gift ?

Ones submission needs to be earned with their obedience,

and devotion proven.

It is for this reason i begged for my collar and state in my profile i have been collared and accepted.

It's a 2 way street in a BD/SM world that is 'subliminally,

and deceptively, being created/influenced by so called

submissives who are trying to modify the definitive respect

for the lifestyle so it can cater to their fun and games

fad time play.
And although it is a 2 way street ?

i agree that at some level, BDSM has become fashionable.  That something i do or wear or feel becomes the fad doesn't take anything away from my relationship.  i had this before it became fashionable and i will have it after the fad has faded.

The Dom is to be Dom enough to understand that

they are to be the one with the ultimate control.
Unfortunately there is a severe shortage of

Real Male Doms out there who are truly able to

create a real submissive women.

To clarify the at-odds statements that Dominants create submissive women and that submissive women are genetically designed.... i have always been a submissive woman.  i craved a Dominant man to allow me the freedom to realize my true self.

 

Yet just as unfortunate is the fact that there are more

submissive women out there with the sincere desire to

submit, but have lost the confidence in doing so because

of there being so many Male Dom WANNABEE Idiots out

there ruining the sincere desired intent of so many sub

women who just need to be what they were genetically

designed to be.

 

Never has there been a time in history where so many

women are willing and wanting to be who they oh so

naturally desire to be. Submissive to Man.

Now this has no basis in fact and really, if the OP examined this more closely, it may be the FAD (His opinion) that creates an illusion that in no other time in history have so many been willing...because it's a FAD (in his opinion).  There was a single time in history when when men found the 'shelf ass' highly attractive and that time was when bustles were the fad... Just sayin'

Yet there has never been a greater level of abuse in this knowledge of womens needs by Dom wannabes who

are just trying to cure some desperately dangerous

case of loneliness by following a fad to those who they

believe may be just as desperate. What a dangerous

mix that is huh ?

Predator + prey = dangerous mix.  Doesn't have to be D/s related.

Just as poisonous is that there are so many so called

subs out there with the sneaky intent to Top from the

bottom with their insistence to promote the one side

being a bigger/better/only gift on the table of

consideration. It is a rude awakening when they realize

otherwise.

Absolutely there are. Sheesh the forum is filled with subs

who try to top from the bottom.

 

i have nothing to add to this observation.

A Real Dom knows this psychological ploy.
He won't be fooled and walk away from any such attempt identified.
There are so many subs these days top from the

bottom because of the fact that they know there are

so many panty waste Dom wannabes out there that

they can get away with it.
Chances are? You're one of either ?

i'm so sorry but i'm ageless enough to know it's supposed to be panty-waist. (which is an old-timey version of a baby's "onesee")  Panty waste is the result of a good knife scene and in that context i think a panty waste Dominant is a huge turn-on.

Or you know what I'm talking about, and know those

who play this game.
D/s is not a fetish to be played with like feet.
For those of us who respect it definitively ?
Know it as our life.

True, true. In my OP, I made fun of this statement. But it

is true, a caring Dominant knows the difference and knows

it is their life, at least I do. I suppose that is why I took

his post so seriously. I looked past his condescending ways

and his slander, and picked out the things I found interesting.

 

I have nothing to add.

Female Domination is nothing but the reaction of an

extreme fear to the extent of their own submissive

desires so they counter/fight it with by being just

the opposite. Resistance created by fear in being

who they really are in the name of self preservation.
I've confronted Dommes with this theory only to receive

blushes before their head bowed in respectful submission

to the fact.

i can't imagine this to be true. 

 

When one is confronted with shameful truths identified, and shared with them ?,,,, Their reaction is sure to be denial.

Well...Maybe in his world. Certainly not in mine.

Thank you Level, for giving me the chance to voice what

I wanted to say. You are such a dear heart. God bless you,

I want to give you a big hug!!

MoGa

 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opening up discussion.

 

quote:

True, true. In my OP, I made fun of this statement. But it

is true, a caring Dominant knows the difference and knows

it is their life, at least I do.

quote:

Even if/when submission is given ?
It does not mean acceptance is guaranteed.
For a Dom has a gift too. And to receive that gift ?
Ones submission needs to be earned with their obedience,
and devotion proven.

Just because we label ourselves as submissive or dominant does not mean we are compatible matches  to the opposite in every case---it is really no different than a marriage both partners have to work together to make it a success

it's a 2 way street in a BD/SM world that is 'subliminally,

and deceptively, being created/influenced by so called

submissives who are trying to modify the definitive respect

for the lifestyle so it can cater to their fun and games

fad time play.
And although it is a 2 way street ?

Could be more a matter that the sub and dom were incompatible in the first  place and not an issue of being a "so called" sub  manipulating the situation.  The "so called" sub may be perfect for a different Dom....  it all depends on  individual views.  I was with a Dom that had ask me for me views  and I had expressed my needs and reasons which he said at the time was understandable and exceptable and few months later, a few months later he was pushing me to be a full time live in slave in a 24/7 TPE  totally ignoring everything I had said I needed.. like not wanting to relocate as I wanted to remain near family and continue to work so I could remain financially independent and that I felt a 24/7 TPE would be too resistrictive being I had spent almost the past 30 years living independently as a sole support parent.  If this is what he wanted he should have been upfront with me .... yes it is a 2 way street and the direction a master in shaping a sub to fit his needs  should be spelled out up front...if I knew the expectation up front ..it would have save months of wasted time and frustration

You have to almost agree with this. How many times do we see
new subs come on and talk about it being about playtime and
about how they will not do this, or do that? It IS almost like
a fad to some. Both subs and Doms. 

Your kink my not be necessarily my kink...should I have to submit to being fucked by all your friends if what I want is a monogamous relationship???? If it is than the problem is not about not wanting to do things to submit ..but a serious issue of compatibility

We could have talked about who it is that is ultimately in
control. Also, can a Dominant create a submissive in real life?
*I didn't have an opinion to this when I wrote it.
I would however, love to hear your opinion of it.*


I am not a dog to be trained to jump through hoops it is   growth/exploration  the stems respect/trust  that creates a desire to please but if the dom ignores moral issues the sub may have it erodes the trust/respect and therefore the desire to please.   Problems also stem from what you deem a submissive to mean...it likely is  not the same definition as someone else has


Yet just as unfortunate is the fact that there are more
submissive women out there with the sincere desire to
submit, but have lost the confidence in doing so because
of there being so many Male Dom WANNABEE Idiots out
there ruining the sincere desired intent of so many sub
women who just need to be what they were genetically
designed to be.

I am not genetically designed, it is not some form of weakness ...I don't submit to every man, only to the one I am with  if he has shown  me he is worthy of my submission.  I have no problems standing up to a man if I feel he has wronged me, I will not allow people to walk all over me

Never has there been a time in history where so many
women are willing and wanting to be who they oh so
naturally desire to be. Submissive to Man.

Do you mean there are more doormats out there now or more that want to realize a fantasy to be taken by force, until it comes true and then disappear from the scene once they have lived out the fantasy and found out it is not as fun as they thought.  If anything their are more looking to live out sexual fantasies for a brief period

Yet there has never been a greater level of abuse in this knowledge of womens needs by Dom wannabes who
are just trying to cure some desperately dangerous
case of loneliness by following a fad to those who they
believe may be just as desperate. What a dangerous
mix that is huh ?

Yes, to many it is just living out a sexual fantasy  they have no serious commitment to the lifestyle for many on both sides of the coin a fantasy role play with expectations of instant gratification with bothering to educate themselves, therefore outcomes are not always positive

Just as poisonous is that there are so many so called
subs out there with the sneaky intent to Top from the
bottom with their insistence to promote the one side
being a bigger/better/only gift on the table of
consideration. It is a rude awakening when they realize
otherwise.
Is is nothing new this has always existed, the bigger /better philosphy exists in the vanilla world as well


A Real Dom knows this psychological ploy.
He won't be fooled and walk away from any such attempt identified.
There are so many subs these days top from the
bottom because of the fact that they know there are
so many panty waste Dom wannabes out there that
they can get away with it.
Chances are? You're one of either ?

The topping from the bottom term is used way to often more often than not it is nothing more than 2 unmatched partners who have different wants and needs ....there would be less dominants complaining of this problem is they spent more time communicationing and being selective in choosing  someone with similiar interests amd goal  instead of rushing to get their whips and paddles out and trying to force someone to fit into your mold

The Dom is to be Dom enough to understand that

they are to be the one with the ultimate control.
Unfortunately there is a severe shortage of

Real Male Doms out there who are truly able to

create a real submissive women.

A dom only has a much control over me as I allow him to have...I don't give over control of my children or granchildren , my finances, my business, he cannot make me relocate if I have no desire or have not agreed to, he will order me to quit my job and  throw away the 18 years I have worked toward my retirement pension.  He cannot order me to stay with him if he does satisfy my needs and wants, He cannot order me to do something I find morally unethical or offensive.   Any Dom who believes  they have ultimate power over another being ....has a few more lessons to learn and probably should avoid calling themselves a "Real or Twue" Dom

< Message edited by Maya2001 -- 5/4/2008 9:39:46 AM >

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