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Grandparents - 5/4/2008 2:51:10 PM   
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Those who read me mostly will know that I mention Grandparents once in a while. I was lucky enough to know three of them, the last, my maternal Grandfather was an abusive drunk and got put out. I also met one Greatgrandmother. Things did not go so far though, she was very old at the time. I think she died at 91 and I wasn't even a teenager yet. I got more from her daughter, my Grandmother.

My paternal Grandmother spent more time with my sister for two reasons, first of all it is girl stuff and second of all she was the first girl born into the familt for 20 something years. Everybody had boys. I know there are Men out there who would kill for a son, I knew one who literally tried a whole bunch of Women and always got daughters. (had a whole gang of them too)

But what would happen is that Grampa and I would go in the basement. The coolest place in the world. He had at least as much influence as my Father. That's where I learned to work with tools. I knew how to use a micrometer at about age seven. Hell I knew my numbers so what was stopping me. It is the young ones, for example who can figure out a Rubik's cube. This is a very important time in a kid's life. The intellect is in a state of flux and how you handle that ultimately determines how smart the kid will be.

But you don't have to handle me or respond to me or anything, what I am after is what anyone around here who has been around Granparents have heard from them. As a matter of fact, any old person. Anyone who has told you about the old days.

Some of it might be politically incorrect, just avoid those really fucking bad words. Those people had wisdom. What they said might not apply now, but so what. They had a perspective from which you will never hear again. That is unless you immortalize them somehow.

Anything like that. Every statement is not our mantra, but it could add to our knowledge of the world, how it got this way and a few other things.

Imagine being born forty years earlier than you were. If you were you went through life back then as we do now.

But I want to hear about it.

I will bring in some of mine later. Talk about people being different, holy shit. Showing you gasoline ration stamps and Chesterfield cigarette coupons. And how many people even know what mucilage is made from ?

I like to hear about those times, from people who lived it. Within the people is where the history really resides, not in some guy they pick to write a textbook.

So what have you heard ?

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RE: Grandparents - 5/4/2008 3:08:04 PM   
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during the depression, my gram trapped wild animals.

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RE: Grandparents - 5/4/2008 3:19:10 PM   
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Well, both my grandfathers were dead before I was born.
But my mother's mother told us about a huge tank of mollases exploding in Boston and killing people.
She also told us of the time that her and my grandfather were going to Europe to see all the places he'd been to in WW1 but the ship was delayed for 2 or 3 days due to a coal shortage.
Now my father's mother was from Ireland and she was funny as hell.
She worked as a domestic for a wealthy family who lived in the Chestnut Hill section of Boston.
She was the head honcho and hired the other help, maids, gardeners etc and they were all from Ireland.
When the family would go to England in the summer she'd go with them and hop over to Donegal to visit friends and relatives.
She came from Moeville which is very close to Derry and one time brought back a big rubber bullet in it's cartridge that the Brits would shoot at protestors"the bastards!"
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RE: Grandparents - 5/4/2008 3:45:48 PM   
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This may not qualify as a Grandparent story, but the guy is 69.

The olman told me that there was a dump, in fact a few. Among mentioning that Lakeshore BLVD really used to be the lakeshore, and some other things they did to expand this city north, some things happened.

There was a dump, and people would dump construction materials and whatever, and it seemed to never fill up. They were tearing down buildings and dumping good lumber, even bricks and a few other things. The dump never got really full because people continuously took stuff out. They would literally take the 2 X 4 s and manually pull out all the nails and reuse them. Several houses in this town are built from scrap lumber.

Of course things were different then, you couldn't just call the local DIY type store and have a thousand 2 X 4 s delivered the next day.

And speaking of dumps. The old timers around here still call route 2 the shoreway. It really used to be the shoreway. That means all these high priced condos and all that are literally built on garbage. Yup, that's what they did.

Back then they let nothing go to waste.

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RE: Grandparents - 5/4/2008 4:02:53 PM   
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Imagine being born forty years earlier than you were. If you were you went through life back then as we do now.


i would not have survived my first month of life...there was little known about my heart condition when i was born  and 40 yrs before that it did not exist.



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RE: Grandparents - 5/4/2008 4:13:26 PM   
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My grandmother quit school at age 12 to go to work in a paper bag factory. She glued and folded together paper to make bags. Her earliest memories included accompanying her father in a horse and wagon through the alleys collecting rags to resell.

Going from horse and wagon to seeing man walk on the moon was an amazing range of experiences.

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RE: Grandparents - 5/4/2008 5:48:59 PM   
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my grandmother on my mom's side was "adopted" we were told.  actually, she was sold to her adoptive parents by her immigrant family, possibly to cover up the fact that we suspect her adoptive father was actually her birth father, instead of her birth mom's husband.  seems odd that my great grandfather's name should appear on both the "adoption papers" and on one copy of her birth certificate.  back in those days they didn't put adoptive parents' names on birth certificates, only birth parents.  as we've been able to figure out so far, the woman's husband was in the loony bin at the time.  that was scandalous in 1917.
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RE: Grandparents - 5/4/2008 6:23:46 PM   
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The stories I've heard about my grandparents amaze me.  Well, my grandfather on my mother's side was an alcoholic and abused my mother, and those stories aren't very good. I won't repeat those stories out of respect for my mother. But, the other three are amazing.

My grandfather on my father's side came from Calabria to the US right before the immigration restriction act of 1924 was passed.  Basically, he snuck in under the wire.  As I understand it, he was an anarchist and things were got difficult when Musolini came to power.  I guess he punched a priest and had to get out. 

My grandmother came from Sicily when she was 16 to live with her sister.  Her mother died when she was seven and her father remarried and his new wife didn't want her so they sent her off.  She had 9 kids and 3 husband-type men in her life.  She divorced her first husband for being an abusive son of a bitch (her words) and was excommunicated from the catholic church so couldn't marry again.  Her second husband-type man died in the coal mines--he had an accident and laid unconscious in a puddle of water then died of pneumonia.  My grandfather was his goombada and lived upstairs and just kinda moved downstairs.  My father was raised by him and my grandmother but we don't really know where he came from.  My grandmother was too old to be having kids when my father showed up, and everybody said she wasn't pregnant, but nobody's said where my father came from. 

My mother on my mothers side came from England to live with her sister.  Her father died when she was a young child, and then her mother died when she was 14 or 15.  She had brothers old enough to raise her but they thought she was already spoiled and treated her badly.  Finally she got sent off to Pennsylvania where her sister was a professor of music at a small religious college (totally cool given the times--1920 or around there as near as I can figure).  Her first job was in some kind of institution and she got fired for dancing on a Sunday.  I can still remember her telling me that story (we were never 'close' but we had a strong bond), the way her eyes shone as she laughed about it.  She also told stories about pillow fights and camping trips. 

Thanks for asking.  :)

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RE: Grandparents - 5/4/2008 9:29:16 PM   
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My dad's dad. was 1st a radioman then a Ballturret gunner in WW2.  He met my grandmother in England, (she was in the WAC.) and they married there as well, soon after the war, then came here, (Detroit, Mi.) to live and raise a family.  Like alot of those who have served the military at war time, (and have seen action.) it had affected him to the extent that he devoloped a drinking problem and was (mildly.) physically abusive, and very verbally abusive. (though my dad has mentioned the time, my GF was so drunk, he tried strangling my GM. Luckily he passed out.  He had his good moments, he worked hard to see that his kids got the best education, (catholic schools.) and got a tv pretty soon after they came out, stuff like that. (he also was a rock & roll fan.) And when my parents seperated, and later divorced, he called often to check up on my dad to make sure that he was ok.  Maybe just because I want to believe this, but I really do think that he was a good person at heart, but for whatever reason, couldn't show it that much.

As for my mom's dad, not something I can talk about on this forum, (because while the 1st story is common knowledge in my family, this isn't. )
But I will say this: I can't say that I ever learned anything useful from him, And when he passed away last spring, I was more upset for my mom and GM and aunts,uncles. 
I hope some day I can forgive both for their wrongs,  and I hope I can forgive myself for my wrongs.

**sorry didn't mean to digress**

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RE: Grandparents - 5/4/2008 9:41:19 PM   
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on my mother's side - never met my grandparents. they died before i was born however i do have a wedding photo of them.

on my father's side - i come from a long line of military and religious family. my great-great grandfather, a freeborn black born during the Civil War, moved from South Carolina to Huntingdon, PA to start a church.  my great-grandfather fought in World War I, my grandfather fought in World War II and played in the Negro League before pastoring a church in Harrisburg - which still stands today, my great-uncle was stationed in Paris twice during the 40s. i don't know much about my paternal grandmothers except for one - she received 2 Doctorates by the age of 77 and was minister in the same church in Harrisburg. she recently died at the age of 95.


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RE: Grandparents - 5/4/2008 10:34:01 PM   
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To relate the wisdom that I have received from my Granny and Granddad (maternal grandparents) would take up a library.  The main thing that they taught me was to love myself for exactly who I am.  They made my childhood so very wonderful, and continue to make my life wonderful to this very day.  This week I went to high tea with my Granny, who taught me what it really means to be a lady, and my Granddad, who taught me what it means to be strong and dedicated, is teaching me how to start a vegetable garden.  There is no end to their kindness, love and wisdom.  I absolutely love them to pieces.  I'm fortunate enough to live in the same town they do, to have lived the first two years of my life with them, and to still see them very regularly and talk on the phone with them every day.  I really can't say enough about how wonderful they are.

All four of my grandparents are still living, and all are in town.  Unfortunately I have the good set (maternal) and the bad set (paternal, who are fortunately getting better lately).  I have glowing praise for the Granny and Granddad, and not much to say about the others, other than that I love them.  I was also fortunate to have known in my life three of my great-grandmothers, one of whom I was especially close to and the other of whom only passed away a couple of months ago.  One, who I don't know very well, is still alive.  I also knew one of my great-grandfathers, who passed away when I was in second grade.  He was a wonderful man.

I am truly, truly blessed that I have such a large, wonderful, close-knit, caring family.  I thank goddess every day for that.  They have truly made my life rich.

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RE: Grandparents - 5/5/2008 12:04:45 AM   
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Wow, all this and nary a hijacker in sight. Thank you all. This is something to think about and I hope more people get into it.

My maternal Grandmother lived with us for a time, which came in handy because Mom had to work. Dad was up in bumfukt Michigan running from the law somewhere, I have no idea. But during that time she taught me a few things about cooking and I started to do it. When it was time to clean up she said "Don't leave any evidence".

Why did she put it that way ? Her side of the family was never involved in anything even slightly shady, she was a good Catholic. I mean she quit smoking on the bus because they put up no smoking signs. They did not need fines. She just knew it was not her personal bus. If I asked her about it I am sure she would say something like "Some people don't like the smell". And of course she refrained from smoking on the bus. To do otherwise would be impolite.

So not to make this too long, keepum coming. Let's immortalize the people who helped make us what we are.

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RE: Grandparents - 5/5/2008 12:40:35 AM   
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You're right about them never letting anything go to waste, and time was precious, which is a concept us younger generations don't seem to grasp... we waste so much time, idle time being unproductive and I remember my grandparents always working, always doing something, always for the good of the community and our household.  They had a community mindset - socialism at its finest.

Men are sent to war, to fight for their country... they are conditioned from birth to have a specific mindset - a prerequisite of what a man should be - all the dirty, nasty things a lady should never be exposed to. My grandfather (My father's father) returned from the war with his horse and hidden in the nosebag was a tiny fluffy kitten he'd found. No one else knew the kitten existed and he fed it some of his rations. Once home the kitten lived for almost eleven years thereafter - a very spoilt cat who was regularly given scraps from the local fishmongers lol

I was taught by my grandmother - this is my mother's mother - never to shout to get a point across b/c the moment I do, I have lost self control and the point I was attempting to convey is now way  beyond my grasp.

My grandparents, on my father's side, were racist... through ignorance and yes, even fear. They had grown up with scare stories of 'savages' and its understandable they developed a fear of the unknown.

My mother's father was a Russian Jew. His parents had brought him to England just before the war, so thankfully he and his parents weren't persecuted. Some of his family weren't so lucky and perished. He was stationed in India during Lord Mounbatten's time and fought to prevent the Japanese offensive towards India - he fell in love with the country, its people and its culture. I grew up listening to his tales of his years in India, looking at the pictures. I had no idea of the perils he faced in India, and later on in Burma. He survived.

None of my grandparents are alive today. And one thing that still sticks with me is that if they ever (and this stands for both sets of grandparents) argued, no one else was ever privvy to it - keep the dirty laundry at home and within 'these walls'.

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RE: Grandparents - 5/5/2008 2:59:39 AM   
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i got to be the repositor of the stories....my ex's grandmother sat me down and told me about meeting her husband, how he was an italian violinist and they met at a USO show.  he was an immigrant before WW2, and her family was german who came to the us after WW1.  my ex said "you never told me that!" and she told him to shove off, she was talking to me.  she developed alzheimer's and was hospitalized....she'd ask him "where is your little wife?  i want to see your little wife!"  after we were divorced.  she told him he was hiding me. 

my grandparents...my grandfathers died within 3 months of one another when i was a year old so i dont remember them.  mama's mama told me stories about her father, who was a tall redheaded irish beat cop in houston, and how he nearly disowned her when she "bobbed" her hair in the 20's.  her hair was long enough to sit on and he literally didnt talk to her till it was long enough to be pinned up again.  about riding the covered wagon to school, and how my grandfather dipped the ends of her braid into the inkwell.  making beer in the pantry when she and he were first married, and how all the bottles exploded one night.  about the night my uncle tipped the outhouse over, with my grandfather in it.

my father's mama....told about telling evel kinevel to "knock this crazy business off before you kill your damn self!" after he tore himself up wrecking in the astrodome.  she was a nurse...and he asked that she be assigned to him, because no one else talked to him like that.  that she told off one of the big heart surgeons because he was an ass.  she was a rice farmer, a dairy farmer, an LVN nurse,  she got "retired" from methodist hospital in houston then worked for a nursing home and dabbled in local politics.  the funniest was when i went to see her and she asked whre my (now-ex) was....and i told her we had divorced.  she said "GOOD, i never liked the sonofabitch anyway!"

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RE: Grandparents - 5/5/2008 4:53:40 AM   
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But I want to hear about it.



Setting the scene a touch......I was raised in a part of England where the people are generally renowned for being down-to-earth, friendly, valuing traditional values...and for want of a better phrase, simple people who enjoy the simple things in life. Up until about 1960, the industry in the area was coal mining - your only option was to work down the coal pit working 6 days a week and 12/16 hour shifts. The blokes worked hard and spent their spare time in the local pub - drinking hard. In my Grandparents' day, England was still a religious country, and Catholicism and Methodism were the two prominent branches of Christianity in Durham.

On my Mother's side, my Grandma was the eldest of 9, by the time she was 11 she was washing all of their clothes, feeding them and generally looking after them - children were expected to work in some capacity by the time they were 11/12 in those days (around 1929). There was little work for young girls in Durham, so when the girls reached 14 they usually went off to other parts of the country to work as maids in stately homes (and they'd send all their money back home to their Mothers). My Grandma went to a place called Capesthorne Hall near Manchester to work as a maid at 14 - that's the way it was in those days, the class system was alive and well - but her memories are all positive........away from home with other young girls, going to dancehalls to watch bands etc. Oh, my Grandama was christened by the Salvation Army. In terms of character, she had a heart of gold, was very placid, hated alcohol and aggression, pretty much served people all of her life, easily pleased......she rarely watched television, always listend to music - traditional values. A first class Mother and Grandma - spent much of her spare time taking her kids to the beach/coast and generally going places and did the same for her grandkids.

My Grandad on my Mother's side was a totally different character......he was a total bigot and expected to be waited on hand and foot......then again, that's how it was in the mining areas in those days. He had a strong dislike for anything that didn't conform with his view of the world, he particularly disliked catholics...I remember when about 13, a lad called Mick Hughes had been in my Grandad's house and as soon as he left...."we're not catholics in here, mind!"......and another time when I went to see him in a green jumper and he wasn't best pleased.......looking back, he wasn't quite a full shillin'. So, my Grandad worked down the mine from 14 to 60 up to his eyes in shit, water, coal dust and in searing heat because he was working below sea level.....he pulled the wagons on his back is his day which apparently was the hardest and best paid job down the pit. By the time I knew him, he'd mellowed but have heard the stories about him playing up when he was drunk....apparently he never turned violent but was argumentative and one day when he was older my Grandma had had enough, so she slung him out the door by his trousers and put him on his arse in the yard. Act the fool, and you're going to get what's coming to you, I suppose. My Grandad grew all his own vegetables, had his own hens, pigeons etc - that's how it was in the mining areas. My Grandad died at 61 through health problems from working down the pit, and apparently in his 50s spent a lot of his time staring into the fire because he knew he'd fucked up and couldn't get that time back - he could have walked from here to Australia and would have struggled to find a woman with the heart my Grandma had - but to coin one of his own phrases "time waits for no man" and he knew and regretted the fact he hadn't made the best of his own life and made his own wife's life a misery at times through the drinking, gambling and general disrespect. Taking aside the bigotry, he was a very likeable man when sober, a gentleman in fact...was very kind to his kids...made sure they always had pocket money etc. He was a sneaky fucker, though, he was once saving money to go watch Sunderland in London in the '37 Cup final....he was working double shifts to do it but not letting my Grandma know. Anyway, he's hiding the money in the shed where he keeps his hens and about a week before the Cup Final he goes to get the money out of the shed to pay for the bus......only to find his stash had been eaten by mice and there was little more than a few crumbs lying in the corner. My Mum still has a laugh telling this story.......One of my lasting memories of my Grandad was watching him chase this huge banti 'round the garden....we were having it for our dinner so my Grandad was going to neck the big fucker, but it was a huge thing and it wasn't going out of this world without a struggle...after about 10 minutes of chasing, grappling and spitting, a stand off developed between my Grandad and the banti......my Grandad says, "Bella (my Grandma), get me the axe".......

On my Dad's side, my Grandma was a small, ginger, Scottish woman.....again, quite meek and lived to serve people in some capacity or other. She suffered from bad asthma and I've seen her turn purple almost. My Grandad was a womaniser and drinker. My Grandad was a coal merchant......rather than work down the mines, he started his own business selling coal...he started off taking a bag from the coast and selling it...and grew his business to having several wagons and supplying the South East end of Durham. He was a millionaire of his day but the drink got the better of him and he went bankrupt. He reedemed himself to an extent when he went into a burning building at 60 and saved a man's life - he was awarded some sort of bravery award - can't remember its name.

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RE: Grandparents - 5/5/2008 4:56:51 AM   
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i would like to add, my father (recently retired after 40yrs of military serivce, served in Vietnam, Gulf War and Iraq) and i researching the beginnings of his side of the family tree starting before great-great grandfather. so far our search has taken us back to South Carolina to discover who his parents were but we do know the name of the family who owned them and they were from England.

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RE: Grandparents - 5/5/2008 8:01:30 AM   
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My paternal grandfather taught all the girls in the family how to give hand jobs.

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RE: Grandparents - 5/5/2008 8:03:46 AM   
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My paternal grandfather taught all the girls in the family how to give hand jobs.


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RE: Grandparents - 5/5/2008 8:07:46 AM   
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My paternal grandfather taught all the girls in the family how to give hand jobs.


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RE: Grandparents - 5/5/2008 8:12:09 AM   
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Did I say that out loud??

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