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aidan -> Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 12:40:54 PM)

No love for Tony Stark on CM? Tsk-tsk, people. Falls to me, I s'pose....

Saw Iron Man this weekend. Pretty damn awesome. It was an origin pic, with all the kind of faults that comes with that, but you can't really fault it for that seeing as it has to introduce this character to a lot of folks for the first time. Stark's cape persona just doesn't have the same cultural share as Spider-Man or Batman (I know those two are origin stories as well, but Spider-Man needs that arc and Batman had to be rebooted *shrugs*). Anyway, can't really fault it for that.

And frankly, Stark's growth into the heroic role was always a lot more dramatic than most. I think the only suit who comes close is Spider-Man. With Iron Man, This is a guy who is responsible for the suffering and death of countless people, most of them innocent bystanders, and the realization of that carries a huge weight for him. He fucked up, big time, and he's trying to set things right.

Setting things right, by the way, involves blowing a lot of stuff up. Stuff very close to people. This is where the movie takes a dramatic turn from most superhero stories. Iron Man kills motherfuckers. A lot. The guy decides he's gonna fight a war, and it shows. This raises some pretty interesting questions, ones that I hope the rest of the movies deal with. There's some scenes where Stark will be all big-bad hero, and then you think "Okay...but what happens after he leaves?" Much like the Batman movies, there's a great potential here for exploring the ramifications of superheroic acts. Since Favreau and his crew have already proven they're not afraid to talk about uncomfortable subjects here, it'll be interesting to see what they do about that.

Robert Downey, pitch-perfect Tony Stark. There wasn't a better man for the role. Paltrow makes a good Pepper Potts, Terrance Howard as Jim Rhodes is another great choice (can't wait to see him as War Machine, guy's gonna wear the suit well). The problem with a lot of superhero pics is that the supporting cast can kind of get lost in the sun-like shine of the title character (with exceptions like Alfred Molina's Doc Ock and the cast of the first two X-Men, which are ensemble pieces anyway). That kinda happened here. The only good guy other than Stark who gets really good development was Pepper Potts, who you end up liking and caring about quite a bit by the end. And on the villain side of things, we've got mostly glowering terrorists and Jeff Bridges as Obadiah Stane, who like Venom in last year's prize belly-flop Spider-Man 3 exists only to provide Iron Man with a punching bag at the end.

A lot of people are saying "best super hero movie ever"...I don't know about that. It's good, certainly up there in the Triple-A echelon of things, but I really don't think any origin story can reach the best level, simply because so much of it involves explanation and exposition. You can't explore characters and relations as much because you need to build that storytelling capital. Still, this is one of the best superhero movies of the decade.

P.S. Stick around for the post-credits if you dig comic books. Trust me.




DomKen -> RE: Summer movie season kicks off with Iron Man (5/5/2008 12:44:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aidan
P.S. Stick around for the post-credits if you dig comic books. Trust me.

I kept waiting for him to say something about snakes and planes.




aidan -> RE: Summer movie season kicks off with Iron Man (5/5/2008 12:46:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: aidan
P.S. Stick around for the post-credits if you dig comic books. Trust me.

I kept waiting for him to say something about snakes and planes.


[sm=alarm.gif] Spoilers zohmahgaw! [sm=alarm.gif]




LadyRainfire -> RE: Summer movie season kicks off with Iron Man (5/5/2008 12:48:36 PM)

OMG, I saw it Saturday, and I have to say, it was one of the best movies I've seen in years!! Oh ya, I'm going back to see it again! Yes, I'm old enough to have grown up with the original comic books. I thought it was very well done compared to some movies and kept the crowd on the edge of their seats. Yep, worth staying through the credits - ain't saying nuttin more....




Deliena -> RE: Summer movie season kicks off with Iron Man (5/5/2008 12:56:32 PM)

Saw it today and am still in OMG phase (currently telling everyone on Facebook/MySpace every other internet contact I have to get out there and see it), it's a brilliant movie, my 9 year-old loved it (although some of the bits in Afghanistan had her with her face in my arm), my housemate loved it, my comic-book geek mate and I (geek girl extraordinaire - to the extent that some people forget I'm female until I talk about shoes) went completely OTT it was fabulous.

Master and I are going to see it again this week, I can't wait for the sequel, WARMACHINE- bring it on!!! (and of course that other thing with that other bloke that was after the credits - WHOOP!!!)




LadyRainfire -> RE: Summer movie season kicks off with Iron Man (5/5/2008 12:59:10 PM)

[:-]    [sm=banghead.gif]    [sm=banghead.gif]     [sm=Groaner.gif]

Am I going to be the only to not give away a spoiler here????????? C'mon, people!! *laughs*




kittinSol -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 1:02:21 PM)

Another super-hero movie? When will Hollywood gain back its dignity [8|]?

killjoykitt




aidan -> RE: Summer movie season kicks off with Iron Man (5/5/2008 1:06:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Deliena
...it's a brilliant movie, my 9 year-old loved it (although some of the bits in Afghanistan had her with her face in my arm)


Yeah, this pic goes of it's way to earn that PG-13 rating. I don't know if I'd feel comfortable brining any of the tots I watch over to see it, simply because...yeah, Iron Man kills people.

I really hope that's something that gets touched on in the next few movies. Favreau's said he wants to do at least three Iron Man pictures, and has a character progression already laid out...

I'm thinking that Tony Stark goes on a world-wide terrorist blowey-uppy extraveganza, gets a lot of press being all cool as Iron Man, and really plays up this new dashing hero thing he's got going. But inside, he's starting to go hollow. He's gotta be Tony Stark, party-guy billionaire and Iron Man, being called in to fight "the bad guys" with high-powered explosives a few times a week, and the pressure's starting to get to him. Couple that with a creeping realization that he might not be doing as much good as he thinks (violence does beget more violence, and as we've seen painfully made clear in the last five years sweeping in to someplace, killing a bunch of guys and telling everyone to play nice doesn't work too well most of the time,) and soon those dirty martinis and fingers of Scotch we saw in this flick start piling on.

This opens up for James Rhodes to come in as the hinted-at War Machine to pick up for Iron Man's drunken slack. Much fun is had by nerds everywhere.




aidan -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 1:07:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Another super-hero movie? When will Hollywood gain back its dignity [8|]?

killjoykitt


Hollywood had what-now?




RealityLicks -> RE: Summer movie season kicks off with Iron Man (5/5/2008 1:10:38 PM)

It opened here this weekend too and I'm soooo looking forward to seeing it. 




kittinSol -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 1:11:36 PM)

I know... longing for something that never was [:D] .




Smith117 -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 1:23:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Another super-hero movie? When will Hollywood gain back its dignity [8|]?

killjoykitt


I see no loss of dignity in Hollywood's pursuit of superhero movies. These are superheroes that people of all ages have read about for decades just WISHING they could see them in movie form. Finally, they can. I see dull, cookie-cutter movies with no characterization and no real plot to speak as evidence of the lack of dignity in Hollywood. Comics and comic books heroes have almost ALWAYS had very interesting tales to tell and very intriguing characters to see and explore. I will see a well-done superhero movie long before I will see a chick flick I can assure you, especially when they come with such deep characterization.......and action.
 
Sure, not every film adaptation turns out perfect. Not everyone liked The Hulk (I did...thought it was decent at least) But they are fixing that "oops" with a "do-over" this summer. Batman and Iron Man both explore the gritty side of superhero-ness instead of just the prancing around in tights saying "Ah-ha!"
 
I thought Iron Man rocked HARD and I will be seeing it a second time this weekend, since I missed the after-credits-snippet (d'oh!). I like how the movie itself hinted at a sequel, then hours after seeing that it took in over $100 million its first weekend, they announced that yes, the sequel is already in the works. Not only that, but by the time Iron Man 2 comes out, so too will Thor, "The First Avenger: Captain America" and in the summer of 2011......"The Avengers."
 
Looks like we're in for a wild ride.




Shawn1066 -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 1:28:46 PM)

I, quite literally, grew up on reading Iron Man with my dad...who started reading them to me when he was younger along with a lot of other comics.  I totally credit him with giving me a love of reading and mythology from a very early age because of it.  So, Saturday night was pretty awesome for the both of us.  A very strong contender for the best superhero-type movie ever...and a damn good movie when stacked up against everything else.

DV's Fox




aidan -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 1:32:22 PM)

What Smith said...

And mark me down as one of the people who actually liked Hulk, even if it was the mauled product of Ang Lee and Avi Arad's tug-o-war. Not great, but still cool. Would have worked better as a one-shot, though.

Anyway, yeah, I don't see superhero movies or comic book movies in general as a "loss of dignity." Movies have been adapting other media since their creation, as has every other medium before it. In one form or another we're all telling the same stories over and over. There's little difference between Iron Man today and Sir Lancelot a few hundred years ago (tried to think of an armored mythic/folk-hero, bit of a stretch, but you follow,) or Superman and Solomon. They're all just myths. And we have plenty of movies (and books and TV shows and radio dramas and computer games) 'bout them...[;)]

Oh, and no to go too far off-topic, but...I really, really hope that The First Avenger: Captain America gets a title change. Holy freakin' god.




Arrrchibald -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 1:49:34 PM)

Yeah I saw it.  I'd say it was definitely on par with the spider-man and x-men series. 

More propaganda, but less angsty crap...not a bad trade off. 

Jeff Bridges did a great job too.  Very un-Dude. 




LadyRainfire -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 2:01:25 PM)

Geeezzz, I didn't even recognize Jeff Bridges at first. I knew he looked familiar and sounded familiar but couldn't place him. I just about fell out of my seat when I realized who it was! Did anyone else catch the reference to Tucker?




kittinSol -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 2:08:05 PM)

Look who's crawled out from under the woodwork! Smith, long time no see!

I love your earnestness, you know. Such passion in response to my cynical provocation. And about a super-hero movie too... it's wonderfully cute. Keep on fighting, Tiger. You'll get the baddies in the end.

PS: can't stand chick flicks either. As a matter of fact, I find the great majority of Hollywood productions hard to stomach [8D] .

And don't forget your cape [:D] .




Smith117 -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 3:10:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aidan
Oh, and no to go too far off-topic, but...I really, really hope that The First Avenger: Captain America gets a title change. Holy freakin' god.


Yeah....especially since he wasn't the "first" Avenger. The first roster included: Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Ant-Man, and Wasp. Captain America didn't come around until later. Though he did get "founding member status."




Smith117 -> RE: Iron Man kicks off the summer movie season (5/5/2008 3:11:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Look who's crawled out from under the woodwork! Smith, long time no see!

I love your earnestness, you know. Such passion in response to my cynical provocation. And about a super-hero movie too... it's wonderfully cute. Keep on fighting, Tiger. You'll get the baddies in the end.

PS: can't stand chick flicks either. As a matter of fact, I find the great majority of Hollywood productions hard to stomach [8D] .

And don't forget your cape [:D] .


I don't crawl out....I fly using my cape. (Didn't you look up?)

I can always be Earnest, except when I'm Frank. Since I'm Earnest right now, do you want to be Frank?




DomKen -> RE: Summer movie season kicks off with Iron Man (5/5/2008 3:33:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aidan
I really hope that's something that gets touched on in the next few movies. Favreau's said he wants to do at least three Iron Man pictures, and has a character progression already laid out...

Favreau's made clear he intends to send Tony down the alcoholism road in the next two movies which is how Rhodes gets to be War Machine. Downey can probably relate to that stuff pretty well.

Can't I spoil it some more? How about if I just mention that you'd have to be Howling Commando to miss the end credits? Is that too much? Will i be Frozone out for spoiling the movie?[:D]




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