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Madame4a -> Cross dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 11:36:38 AM)

This is likely to be a bit long, so if you want to get to the questions, please skip to the bottom with my blessing.  *grin*

I've never been into having someone in my life who crossdressed but I may -- soon.  Its someone who's been around before with me, not from here but someone I've spent time with before.  I knew this was a part of him but we never went there.  In some conversations with him this weekend, I realize he wants to.  I have NO clue what I'm doing.  I love new things, and for HIM and him alone, I'll go there and see how it feels for me.  He's a big dominant looking alpha male, who really is submissive.  Its taken him a lot to come to me and ask this (among other things) so I'd love to give it a try.  He's important to me.

Maybe this isn't so long...

for anyone, as a dominant, what do you get from it?

What things should I do, once he's dressed and ready?

Should I help that process?

Activities I should consider?

anything else?

and as the crossdresser ... what do you get from it? 

What do you want from the dominant in this situation? 

What enhances it for you?

more?

Thanks all -- I'm looking forward to this, but I do need some ideas.




Madame4a -> RE: Crossing dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 11:38:43 AM)

never mind  I meant this post.. not my original...

darn it... LOL




Dnomyar -> RE: Crossing dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 11:44:38 AM)

Darn. For once I was going to write more than a sentence.




LadyAngelique01 -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 2:36:05 PM)

I can share what I've learned with my sub. He loves to dress up (and does a good job too). Since its his thing and not mine, the first thing I did was make it a reward- good behavior = time to dress up. He has a great time and the Dommes that are into forced fem and dressing up their subs compliment me on how good he looks. Also he tends to be more submissive when he is cross dressed than is usual for him.

He likes when I help him pick out an outfit and makeup. I recently bought him a matching necklace and bracelet to wear in place of his collar when he is dressed. As far as what to do, we've gone out to munch, resturants and bars while he's cross dressed. His last Domme took him out dressed as a woman almost all the time everywhere they went.





Marysboi -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 3:53:49 PM)

Since so much of sex is mental, I would have him slowly undress and the two of you slowly and casually pick out panties, hose and a dress, or what ever you have available. and then I would make him sit in front of you or close to you and I would make sure you touch him and tease his cock. I would rub those panties on his shaft. Ask him questions.. Do you know what I'm going to do to you?? Do you know how this is going to feel..Rub him.. talk to him.. I'm not going to let you come..Make him get the hose. dress him in the hose, no panties. get him his shoes.. make him walk in front of you or crawl to you.. ( he will become more submissive.) make him smell the panties or put them in his mouth while hes in front of you. Don't let him get them wet.Talk to him, Do you want these, How bad???
Threaten to make him cum in them, threaten to spank him, tell him how you're going to put him in a dress and slide your hand up his skirt.. BUT Wait for the last minute to put him in panties. If he makes a sound, a murmur make him repeat the sound. make him beg for them while your gently stroking his cock.. Make stroking his cock a tease and something he wants as much as he wants you to put the panties on him. Take advantage of your superiority and tell him how much you want to please him but he got to earn them..No runs in the hose.. make him stand in front of you while you roll them up his leg..ask him about a butt plug held by his panties..talk, tease, stroke, rub, deny.. THEN DO IT.. put them on him when hes earned it.. tell him when hes good your going to reward him by doing this to him more."MAYBE". Makeup?? a little lipstick..dosen't hurt and can be humiliating. Make him pick out the color. a hair brush handy is always fun.. He doesn't have to pass , your not taking him anywhere but to his heaven..take advantage of your control..Panties should be a reward and he has to work for it.. The first time for the two of you can be very exciting.. Put some thought into it... But I'm sure you get the idea.   Somewhere down the line make him be bad and make him cum in his panties..punish him   ( Now let me think How??)
What was the original question??? Ha
You will get out of it what ever you wish..power, control, a pet, an adventure, a new experience.
What will he get.. (we already know he like it) he will get what you allow him to get..
After several experiences it will be up to you to set the limitations not only od the dressing up part but you can control how much its even mentioned in your play..It doesn't have to be the end all and the priority of his conversation.. Then you get to punish and guide.teach and train..

Good Luck to the both of you.




hopelesslyInvo -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 4:15:19 PM)

anything, everything, just going about things as you normally would with a different look and feel. 

if you're the mellow laid back type, just watching a movie in the living room that way can make for 2 hours of retainment before even really doing anything, and it gives opportunity to get comfortable and show mild affection. 

otherwise i'd imagine just normal activities and muses while keeping as much clothing on as possible rather then cross undressing?

i'd imagine just making point to mention the articles of clothing time to time will have impact.




LaMistressa -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 8:44:51 PM)

or anyone, as a dominant, what do you get from it?

What things should I do, once he's dressed and ready?

Should I help that process?

Activities I should consider?

anything else?


As a Dominant I enjoy it because my maid makes a pretty woman, and I also enjoy the humiliation aspect of it. And I love playing with makeup on men.

Once he's dressed and ready, you can have him serve you while dressed (do spa treatments, make your dinner, clean, etc.), you can have him do a fashion show and/or model for you, you can have him work on your taxes, or if you like strap on play you can go to town on him while he is dressed. Think of things *you* would like to have done (vs. what he might enjoy necessarily), and then do those things. He will probably feel very submissive while being crossdressed, so it will probably be a big thrill for him.

As far as helping with the process, if you think you would enjoy it as well, then play with it. You can pick out the outfits, the makeup, or correct him/punish him if he doesn't dress in a way you like. Or if you don't enjoy the dressing up aspect, have him do it himself, but only when you tell him to. Whatever you do, make sure it is working for your headspace as well as his. It can be a lot of fun.

And remember: if you have someone dressed as a maid....have them do the dishes! [;)]




Pyrrsefanie -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 9:26:02 PM)

I blame the visual kei scene from Japan for teaching me at the tender age of thirteen that pretty boys that look like girls are fucking sexy.  Of course I've always preferred women over men on the basis of aesthetics, but in general I just like sexy people, regardless of whether they're male, female, both, neither.  I guess I'm something of a hedonist and/or shallow bitch that way.

Just the taboo of it is... gaaaaah, I love it.  I love that it's so wrong.  Furthermore, I love the vulnerability and devotion of a man who's willing to let me strip away his masculinity and leave him a quivering mass of beautifully made-up flesh.  I can only describe it as a thrill.

My boy dresses up for me quite frequently and I absolutely adore him for it.  I love it when he becomes a woman for me.  He's so beautiful and sweet at that moment... he takes on this trembling, breathy voice, and when you look into his eyes you can see the internal struggle going on.  He loves being my little girl but he knows that he shouldn't.  Occasionally he'll look up at me and I can just see that he's begging me for an answer, begging me to step in and say something to confirm or deny... and now I'm seriously doubting that I'm going to be able to make it through this post without having to change my panties.  [:D]

I've slowly been filling his drawer with more and more sexy panties.  The regular "manly" underwear is beginning to disappear.  My goal is to have an entire drawer, or even dresser, full of clothes for him -- above all I believe in keeping them well-dressed!  His rewards for good behavior are new nighties or lingerie.  It's gotten to the point where he's actually been asking me to take him out when he's all dressed up and show him off.  He's still amazed that I'm not weirded out by his enjoyment of crossdressing, and I'm still amazed that I finally landed a hot guy who'll let me dress him up on a regular basis.  Everybody wins!






Marysboi -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 9:52:57 PM)

I'm sorry I rambled earlier, well maybe not (it was fun). What I was trying to say is if you choose you can make the dressing a LARGE  part of the play/scene....I could see if you liked it, it could be the whole scene,,days, ..But as others have said or implied, do it at your pace and to your tune, By the wording in your question it sounds like your game, eager even and wishing to learn. If he were dressed in the first 5 minutes regardless of who dressed him..I do think there would be additional pressure. It would be interesting to hear the results of your adventure.   But heres to adventure     respectfully, [sm=pushed.gif]     jim




steffie -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 10:49:33 PM)

When i was 21, the first person i ever told i wanted to dress like a girl was a Woman twice my age named Marlena.  Her reaction was priceless, something i'll never forget. She smiled and said, "Let's go shopping!"

She took me to a woman's boutique where she told me we were going to pick out my first dress.  I can remember being extremely nervous.  Why couldn't we just shop through catalogs?  Why couldn't i just wear something of hers? 

She just grinned at me and began holding dresses up against me, trying to figure out my size.  Just that simple act alone, had me blushing, as there were several other women shoppers in the aisles.

The more embarrassed I became, the more Marlena loved it.

"I want you to try a few things on," she said.

"You can't be serious?!"

I didn't think they would let me, but Marlena boldly went right up to the two women at the cash register and asked them if it would be all right if I used a dressing room to try a few things on.  I was dying.  But the women said it was fine.

The next thing i know i'm in the changing booth with Marlena, and she orders me to strip down to the pair of panties I had on under my boy clothes.  Then she started handing me the various dresses she'd picked out.  None of which seemed to fit right. 

"I'm going to go out and grab a few different sizes.  You stay just the way you are," Marlena instructed.  "Don't you dare put your clothes on!  I'll be right back," she said and left.

So there i am, half naked, in just a pair of women's red panties, in a woman's changing booth, listening to the women in the booths around me, and moms with the daughters trying on clothes.  I was trembling i was so nervous.

Eventually Marlena returned - and to my great surprise - she brought one of the sales women with her!  An attractive 30something year old woman wearing a smart business suit with a knee length skirt and a measuring tape around her neck.

"I want to get your measurements so we can figure out your size," Marlena said grinning.  I must have been turning every shade of red in the crayon box.  I stood there trying to hide the fact that i was wearing women's panties with my hands.

The sales woman seemed amused, but unfazed.  "It's all right," she said, "We get men shopping in here all the time."  She told me to raise my arms and fit the measuring tape around my chest... waist... and hips.  I was so nervous, my entire body was shaking.  I was scared to death that i would get an erection when she held the measuring tape over my crotch - but thankfully, i didn't.

The women discussed my measurements and declared i was a size 10.  Smiling sweetly, enjoying my discomfort immensely, Marlena disappeared once more and returned with an armload of size 10 dresses for me to try on.  We eventually settled on a cute black cocktail dress.  The first of many that i would buy over the years.

That night i got dressed fully as a woman for the first time.  Back then my hair was short, and Marlena gave me one of her wigs to wear.  She did my makeup.  I put on my first pair of pantyhose.  Clip-on earrings.  The whole 9 yards. 

Marlena insisted that i wait to see myself in the mirror until i was completely dressed.  When she finally did let me see myself in the full-length mirror behind her closet door, it really knocked my socks off.  I felt like i was seeing the twin sister of my soul.  Like i was seeing my true self for the first time.

Marlena had one last surprise up her sleeve.  Once i was fully dressed, she said, "Let's go out for a while."

No way!  The thought of going out in public fully dressed that way, in a little black dress, in my first pair of heels scared me to death.  I could hardly walk.  The 3" heels felt like stilts.  I would have been content to sit in front of the mirror all night.  But Marlena insisted.   "We'll just go out for a drive." 

Which is all we did.  We just drove around the city for an hour.  To me, it was like an hour long thrill ride on a roller coaster.  Every time we'd stop at a red light and another car pulled along side us, i sank down into my seat and tried to hide. All of which had Marlena laughing.  She was enjoying my confusion and embarrassment so much, just to work my nerves further, she drove through a McDonald's drive-through window.  She loved watching me squirm.

That was my "first time."  Nothing sexual to it.  But it was a day I'll never forget as long as I live. 




ocilla -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/6/2008 11:47:08 PM)

What a lovely memory to share with us.  Thank you.  And it does sound like a good rich experience was had.




SolangeRichards -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/7/2008 3:39:28 AM)

Something touched on here is the "taboo" nature of crossdressing.

Society as a whole wants men to be manly.  It's an old song.  Boys will be boys, and girls will be girls, and that's that.

Something I think Pyrrsefanie has found though is the enormous amount of intimacy that it can bring to a relationship.  The public face of strong masculinity is wiped away and he becomes a feminine person  seen to date by  only her.  She knows him  in a way no other does, and understands him on levels no other can.  For him, he lives in a relationship where there is someone who knows him to the core.  Someone who sees what society trained him never to show.  Someone who joins him in becoming all the person he can be.

This sort of relationship is by no means for everyone, but for those who take the leap the rewards can be great...




Madame4a -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/7/2008 3:50:49 AM)

FR

Thank you, EVERYONE!  Wow, what wonderful responses -- thank you so much for sharing all this for me.  I can't begin to tell you how much this has helped.  Its almost made it all that much hotter for me -- it really has.

I'm also beginning to see how submissive this will make him -- he mentioned that to me, but from your posts I'm also seeing it.

Fun, intimacy and everyone smiling -- for me, I can't ask for more.  This is great; you all have affirmed for me that I will enjoy this.




Lashra -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/7/2008 4:49:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Madame4a
for anyone, as a dominant, what do you get from it?

What things should I do, once he's dressed and ready?

Should I help that process?

Activities I should consider?

anything else?


As a dominant what I get from it is this, he has a deep seated desire to bring out his femme side in a safe nonjudgemental environment. That is something a man can rarely do without being ostracized. He is sharing one of the most intimate parts of himself with ME, because I do make him feel safe and I support him in this endeavor.

Also frankly, he looks very sexy dressed up, he has the longest sexiest legs I've ever seen. Put a pair of thigh highs on the man and YUM! My sub works very hard to make himself look beautiful, because he considers women to be beautiful, not sluts 'n whores.

I help my sub by giving him fashion hints and make-up tips. He also now knows where to look on the internet for such information. We go shopping together and I pick out his clothes for him. Its SO much fun, its like having a girlfriend and a boyfriend!

Activities, well that depends upon what interests you and your sub. We are into humilation, S&M and roleplaying mainly. I would say if you each made a list of things that you'd find interesting or just plain HOT, then compare those lists and see what evil ideas pop into your brain. [:D]

Good luck and have fun.

~Lashra




Reigna -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/7/2008 6:24:16 PM)

What do I get out of it? Anything I want. [:)]

My sub is a full-on crossdresser--makeup, wigs, the whole thing. In his day-to-day life, he's unmistakably and unremarkably masculine. Except for that little detail about liking to wearing women's clothing, he was a normal boy, and he was a professional athlete as a young man. To this day, most of his hobbies and avocations fall toward the macho end of the scale.

Dressing in women's clothing transforms him. He'll come in from work breathing fire and ready to take an Uzi to anything in his way; but within minutes of slipping into a slinky dress and a pair of heels, he becomes deliciously submissive. Dressing also turns him on tremendously, which I rather enjoy. [8D] He's cute en homme, scrumptious en femme. He has an amazingly gorgeous ass, and long, beautiful legs. He could work as a pantyhose model. From the back, anyway. Turn him around, and, well--there's something awfully hot about a  woman with a penis, as many of our strap-on aficionados can testify.

Crossdressers are naturals for humiliation play, because their core erotic impulses are organized around something they fear, i.e., becoming female. After all, they are male, which means they'd-better-NOT-be-female; and yet they crave it. This thing that they're so afraid of--being female--turns them on. They want something they don't want. Call me a pervert, but I love hearing someone beg, "Make me do something I hate." Somehow, I never can resist complying. 




LadyJeelys -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/8/2008 4:39:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaMistressa


As a Dominant I enjoy it because my maid makes a pretty woman, and I also enjoy the humiliation aspect of it.


Sorry to hijack the thread...but I'm curious. This is fundamentally why I don't like crossdressing. WHY is humiliating for a man to dress as a woman? Shouldn't it be, rather, an honor? I don't get it. Seems to me that if its "humiliating"it would be an insult to me as a woman.




Madame4a -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/8/2008 4:54:42 AM)

I welcome the hijack... I wondered that as well...

for my part, the only way I would feel comfortable making it humiliating is telling mine what a bad woman he makes... he won't pass, although he's hot...

I do not see the act though, of dressing as a woman, inherently humiliating.  In my relationship, it will be a reward, a gift from me because I know he wants it.




hopelesslyInvo -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/8/2008 4:57:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyJeelys


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaMistressa


As a Dominant I enjoy it because my maid makes a pretty woman, and I also enjoy the humiliation aspect of it.


Sorry to hijack the thread...but I'm curious. This is fundamentally why I don't like crossdressing. WHY is humiliating for a man to dress as a woman? Shouldn't it be, rather, an honor? I don't get it. Seems to me that if its "humiliating"it would be an insult to me as a woman.


would you feel honored to dress like a man?  when women wear mens clothes it's generally just because it's comfy and it's considered casual, but it's never been humiliating on that end.  it's humiliating to men basically because it's generally something of a bash to the masculinity, then of course the possible mindset that you're preferred to be dressed as something you're not, and what you never will be despite what clothing or makeup you put on, and naturally that the general public frowns on it.

there's a lot of mentality to it that makes it humiliating, often enough it's just that a person looks ridiculous, all it takes to qualify as humiliation is that it makes a person feel like a fool, but not everyone sees it as humiliation anyway.




petdave -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/8/2008 6:22:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Madame4a
I welcome the hijack... I wondered that as well...

for my part, the only way I would feel comfortable making it humiliating is telling mine what a bad woman he makes... he won't pass, although he's hot...


See, it all comes down to what motivates the individual submissive to crossdress. If someone is closer to the trans/gender identity disorder side, this type of humiliation could be very emotionally edgy. It all depends. "Humiliation" could also involve emphasizing that he *should* be a girl, and that he doesn't belong in masculine clothes- it's not that women are less than men, it's that his whole persona, his outward identity, is a bad charade.

There's also potential for humiliation play in the more typical fem-sub sense- "you're a dirty little slut, aren't you?"- type of scene. Playing on the clothing as a prop. If he's passable enough to go out in public (most aren't...), things like a very short skirt, or ridiculously large false boobs can make him very self-conscious in a way that most find humiliating. Needless to say, there are various issues that come into play when you involve non-consenting strangers in your play, tho...

Putting aside the humiliation, it can also be very rewarding for the CD (and fun for the Domme) to treat him as a girlfriend, either in the grown-up sense, or in the teenage slumber-party sense- just have fun with it, trying makeup on him, painting each other's nails while you watch a movie, etc. Rolling around in bed when both of you are dressed in soft and slinky clothing is fun on a tactile level- if he hasn't experienced it before, it can be amazing.




SolangeRichards -> RE: Cross dressing -- help please (5/8/2008 6:45:41 AM)

Count me as one who fails to see the humiliation in wanting to be like a woman.

Don't get me wrong, I don't live alone on an island, and I know how society as a whole views someone like me but just because the majority think something is correct does not make it so.

The crux of the issue is how society views women in general.  A little girl who is a tomboy is always a treat.  There she is, acting like a boy!  That's good!  Ain't she cute?

Now let's look at her brother.  He wants to play with dolls and wear a party dress.  He wants to act like a girl?  Oh my!  He needs psychiatric intervention!  Right away!!!!

Sooner or later we are going to have to start focusing on growing good humans.  Good ones, of either gender, or of any combination of the two.  Some in pants, some in dresses.  What's under the clothes does not matter.  Let's just raise them to be happy, productive, smart, sensitive and aware....




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