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submissive ...... slut or saint? - 2/25/2004 10:51:07 PM

poeticsurrender

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i was thinking tonight (which is a dangerous thing) and it occured to me how often i see submissives/slaves referred to as sluts. Is submission something perverse? mine isn't. my submission is given with tenderness and a full heart. Now, i would never ever say that i don't enjoy my fair share of kinky eroticm but is submission about sex or about giving? So, my question to Y/you is.......
What kind of submissive are you?
What kind of subbmissive are You looking for as a Dominant?
Is there a "sterotype"?
In it's purest form, this lifestyle is Biblically described (and one day i'm going to find the exact verses). The Dominant and submissive peices fit together perfectly and work, in helping each other, to make O/one perfect person. ~climbing down off of and burning the soap box, smiling softly~....... thank Y/you for Your time.

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 2/26/2004 7:58:15 AM

ShadowHwk

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quote:

ORIGINAL: poeticsurrender

i was thinking tonight (which is a dangerous thing) and it occured to me how often i see submissives/slaves referred to as sluts. Is submission something perverse? mine isn't. my submission is given with tenderness and a full heart. Now, i would never ever say that i don't enjoy my fair share of kinky eroticm but is submission about sex or about giving? So, my question to Y/you is.......

In my opinion (which doesn't often match the opinion of others - go figure) - submission is many different things. To some it is perverse a darkness inside that needs release, to others it is part of who and what they are. No two are alike.

For me, what I look for is not "A" slut, but "My" slut. Not "A" slave, but "My" slave. I want her, whoever "she" is, to give herself over to me. I do not look for a doormat - I get bored way to quick with that type. I do not look for a sub/slave who gives herself to just anyone. If she gives herself to just anyone, what value is her submission to me? I desire a slave of quality. One who has honor, morals, honesty, and impeccability of spirit.

Terry
AKA ShadowHwk

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 2/26/2004 8:27:37 AM

ZenMaster

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I think whatever people, who are involved with one another, deem themselves to be to each other, it doesn't matter who or what they're called.

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 2/26/2004 10:06:02 AM

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I agree with you, Sir...!!!

Personally, I'm a slut, babygirl, whore, little girl.....whatever term my Daddy wishes to use......

It's what is right between the two...no one term or definition is right over the other.

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 2/27/2004 12:20:16 PM

poeticsurrender

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O......M......G Where's spell check when you need it? i've just re-read this and abundantly appologize for my spelling........ (i really really shouldn't be allowed at the computer before bed.)

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 2/27/2004 3:07:50 PM

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I agree with ZenMaster and rayven on this one. I am happy with whatever my Master prefers to call me, which is usually "bitch" or "slut", but only used in private or with others in the lifestyle.
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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 2/27/2004 8:09:02 PM

DommeVivaine

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Terry, I don't know about others but I often find that I don't need to post to a thread if you've been there before me -- you've already said what I would have, and more economically too.

I look at the person first. I'm interested in someone that I can admire and respect, someone who respects himself. I believe in the power exchange between Dom and sub, and if my sub has no power in himself, how can he surrender it to me? If I have no vulnerability to him, how will I hold the power he has to give?

Like Shadowhawk, when I find him I prefer to call him "Mine", *s*, usually with a very possessive little growl in the back of my throat. Lol, it just creeps in! Anything else is social noise and self-image.

Smiles, Vivaine

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 3/2/2004 5:05:28 PM

iwillserveu

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I wanna be the Patron Saint of Sluts.

Sorry, I had to say that.

Actually that is a good answer. A slave/sub (dare I say a "good" slave

) can and will put up with anything he/she can endure for the ONE. He/she hopes it is something enjoyable. Sex is enjoyable. Looking forward to it is slutty in a saintly way.

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/14/2005 3:05:10 PM

MasterTemujin

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I do not believe there is a single steriotipical name for a sub/slave. What I seek is very much like ShadowHawk. Not merely a sub/slave/slut but one that is Mine.

R/S,

Master Temujin

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/14/2005 3:15:20 PM

Fidelity

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I'm not terribly into humiliation or stereotypes. To refer to someone as a slut just makes no sense to me. I won't even call a real prostitute that.

I guess I am just too calm and laid back to bother with these sorts of labels. Sexuality is not dirty. I see no need to attach negative associations with something I enjoy.

If I wanted to wallow in Catholic guilt,I would be going to mass and confessing my alleged "sins" to some person sitting in a little cubbyhole,who is not one bit better than I am. . But I am free of those sorts of inhibitions-and the trappings that go with them have no meaning to me.

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/14/2005 8:30:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: poeticsurrender

i was thinking tonight (which is a dangerous thing) and it occured to me how often i see submissives/slaves referred to as sluts. Is submission something perverse? mine isn't. my submission is given with tenderness and a full heart. Now, i would never ever say that i don't enjoy my fair share of kinky eroticm but is submission about sex or about giving?

My answer is "all of the above"

For me "slut" is an attitude towards sex, not a perversion. For me I am tender AND a whore, I submit through sex AND through giving.

For some people it IS primarily about sex, for some people it's nothing at all about sex.

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What kind of submissive are you?

The real kind *rim shot*

quote:

Is there a "sterotype"?

There are a few stereotypes.

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In it's purest form,

According to who? Your purist form might be completely off base for me.

quote:

this lifestyle is Biblically described (and one day i'm going to find the exact verses). The Dominant and submissive peices fit together perfectly and work, in helping each other, to make O/one perfect person. ~climbing down off of and burning the soap box, smiling softly~....... thank Y/you for Your time.

Your purist form here is pretty heterosexual monogamous based solely on gender. It doesn't much apply to me at all.

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/14/2005 11:36:37 PM

IronBear

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With the right trik in my collar, she’ll have earned the affectionate name slut or slutlet or even tart or tartlet. To earn this there will have been on occasions much squealing, fabric ripping, legs waving in the air whilst spread wide and volumes of screams .. I’ll leave it for you figure the rest. She would probably have done this whilst in the company of others or at the very least with the bedroom/dungeon door open. BUT….. She would be MY slut or slutlet or even tart or tartlet, NOT yours and not available for all and sundry to use her……….Mine is Mine and I may or may not share outside family.

Is she a saint? Stone the crows yes. She’d need to be a saint to live with me.

NOTICE: No crows were killed or harmed in the production of this post!

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/15/2005 3:29:01 AM

NakedOnMyChain

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Can't I be both? I can be an angel for master, and caress his body with feathery touch. Or I can be a slut for him, depraved and wanton and loving it. It depends solely on his mood...ok, not solely.

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/15/2005 2:53:52 PM

sirstoi

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when i am called slut, bitch, wench, baby, little one, or whatever by Master for me its a badge of honor. Its much better than "hey you". Or what's yer name. I most especially love it when he calls me his lil slave. So saint or slut, doesn't matter as long as its not "umm what's yer name again"

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/15/2005 4:32:00 PM

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Here's one instance in the Bible. There are others, this one just popped to my mind.

quote:

1 Peter 3

1Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. 4Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. 5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, 6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

7Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

I think those verses are beautiful, personally.

I'm definitely not the slutty kind of girl, but I could be a slut for the right person at the right time if that makes any sense.

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/15/2005 5:34:43 PM

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All I want to hear first and foremost is that "She is MINE"..Everything else is just icing on the cake..Hopefully, we will find each other one day!

Respectfully,
sultry

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/15/2005 7:17:12 PM

ProtagonistLily

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I'm a lady in public...an utter whore in bed.

I'm naughty that way ~grins~ And Sir is quite happy.

Lily

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/15/2005 9:06:14 PM

EvO

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The term submissive should not automatically bring thoughts of a slut or a whore to mind, instead a great bond of trust and respect. Of course there are many stereotypes when it comes the Lifestyle, hence why it has remained still today a closed door subject. To the moral society who we are and what we do is a sick and twisted game. While it may be at times, I believe we just take the very essence of who we each are and live it to its fullest potential.

I've called submissives of mine all of these names on the occasion. Some as a pet name, some in the thralls of sexual extacy. It doesn't define them to me at least as a degrogatory remark. To me it is more of an affectionate term when I use it. We are all different and this is way to broad of a topic for any single answer to hit the nail on the head. Each person, couple, define themselves and how they view the Lifestyle differently.

At one point in my search for my "perfect" submissive, I thought I was in search of the dirtiest little girl I could find. And trust me, I have had some dirty little girls under my care. As I grow older, and hopefully wiser I've learned to focus more on the bond. The potential of love, trust and the utmost respect for one another within the power exchange. I wouldn't say I've changed who I am, because that is definitely impossible, but my outlook on who I would like to end up with in the end, surely has. Of course I'd like whoever I end up with to be a dirty little girl at times, but when the time is right, and not always an outward appearence.

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/18/2005 10:54:59 PM

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i don't get terribly upset with what i am called, just that i am called. in my humble opinion and limited view, both slut and saint have their benefits. a saint shows the way to heaven, and a good slut brings a little heaven to earth. call me whatever makes You smile, and i will have accomplished at least one of my goals.

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RE: submissive ...... slut or saint? - 8/19/2005 12:45:39 AM

pinkpleasures

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quote:

All I want to hear first and foremost is that "She is MINE"..Everything else is just icing on the cake..Hopefully, we will find each other one day!

Respectfully,
sultry

Exactly.

pinkpleasures

< Message edited by pinkpleasures -- 8/20/2005 3:10:25 PM >

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