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Justme696 -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/11/2008 12:26:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf quote: ORIGINAL: Justme696 quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Have you even read anything about the radical group that is currently in power? Have you seen the control Iran has over other radical organizations, such as Hezbelouh? How many fractions ..world wide..are supported by the USA? Radical factions? Hmmm, not sure exactly. Do you know? So the problem in Iran should be ignored because others are doing it? Okay. quote: I think one of the problems with America is that they had no "real" terrorist/war threat on their own soil. (which is great ofcourse) Every thing they disliked was fought on foreign soil. Their citizens were always pretty safe..untill 9-11. IF you never feel the result of your actions, you think you can go on forver and the way you think will never be influenced. One would have thought the USA (politicians, not the people) would start to think now about not putting their nose in all things not their business. But no..they lied..and invaded Iraq..which made even their allies in the East pissed. Actually there have been others. That was the second time the WTC had been attacked, and a countries embassies and military vessels are consider their sovereign property. Yeah Bush lied, but what does that have to do with the possible problem in Iran? quote: If Iraq and Al-quada were a real thread...especially afther the invasion....there would have been more attacks on USA soil. But they were so small..that they are notr capable off doing it. BEsides that American economy is going downhill. You are not longer a free person in Europe and the USA because of terrorist threats.(Information is stored from phonmes, mails etc) Yeah that is a theory, but then again it took years to plan the last WTC attack. Maybe they are holding off for something even bigger. Then again I am not talking about just attacks on American soil, I am talking about a country led by a radical religious group that is seeking to gain nuclear weapons. That same country has the resources and strategic positions economically to achieve certain things, that once combined with a nuclear weapon, will give them a hiuge domination factor. Not that I want the US to have it, but I would much prefer a secular regime to have that kind of power. quote: One fucking lie..and the whole world changes..and the people who lied still walk around. Unfortunately true and that lie seems to distract people from taking a closer look at things, just as you are doing. quote: At least soem people in the world are honest in beeing assholes...that way we know who are enemies are. So if they are honest and use a nuclear weapon to bring about the apocolypse, then it is okay with you, as long as they are honest? What about a stranglehold on the Mid East oil, such that it would drive the economies of any enemy nation, into poverty? So where is the moral line? I know where mine is, and that is let the rest of the fucking world get what they ask for, with the exception of securing resources for my nation, that will insure the prosperity of generations. I am not talking about all out war, I am talking about more pressure from the international community to force Iran to stop going after nukes, and to force those countries supplying them with the technology to stop as well. Don't let the bullshit by the American administration, keep you from looking closely yourself, at everything going on. Why don't you say "I am right.. the rest of the people is wrong" . You ask for answers/opinions..and keep saying we are wrong. Don't ask...if you are 100% sure about your right.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/11/2008 12:27:03 PM)
Greetings NG, How can I counter argue something I agree with? But what do we do now? Just sit back and let it unfold? Is the hands off approach to Iran, or any other regime that is led by radical and fanatical leaders, the right approach? Yeah I know we have a certain nutjob in office, but I truly hope it changes soon, but any that come behind him will likely just continue the mess. It is a lose/lose situation, so I look for what will be the least amount of loss. Live well, Orion quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf I have not been insulting, and not sure what you see as a problem. Live well, Orion 'No problem here, Orion.......I offered the view that the US led invasion of Iraq, and other would-be military escapades in that region, is tyranny; and underpinned by the same reasoning as communist and fascist enterprises. I think the response was "<chuckle>", accompanied by a distinct lack of a counter-argument.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/11/2008 12:29:25 PM)
I want some proof that you are right. I am saying prove it. hell I am still ready and looking for more proof of my theory. I notice you tend to say this a couple of times, when you feel frustrated. Just give me something to work with here. No matter what even of us say, it will be theory until history plays out. So none of us will know if we are right, until it occurs. Somewhere between all the opinions is the right road, and I am not opposed to compromise.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/11/2008 12:35:17 PM)
Laugh, that's precious. Try to ignore the nits. THE SITUATION WITH IRAN IS JUST LIKE PRE-WW II EUROPE. REALLY, TRUST ME ON THIS ONE. AND TRY TO IGNORE THE NITS. I MEAN LIKE I KNOW IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME BUT STILL. quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Try to ignore the nits.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/11/2008 3:42:34 PM)
Yeah discussion is dead, and only flaming/posting bullshit is alive.

Owner59 -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/11/2008 8:17:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Yeah discussion is dead, and only flaming/posting bullshit is alive. Add prevarication, avoiding answering questions or inconvenient facts. That`ll kill a discussion.

Justme696 -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/12/2008 2:18:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf I want some proof that you are right. I am saying prove it. hell I am still ready and looking for more proof of my theory. I notice you tend to say this a couple of times, when you feel frustrated. Just give me something to work with here. No matter what even of us say, it will be theory until history plays out. So none of us will know if we are right, until it occurs. Somewhere between all the opinions is the right road, and I am not opposed to compromise. We are not here to proof your theory. If you have a theory..you should proof it. And we might agree with it or not. You think famous scientist come with theories and others explain it. No no..they are eager to explain it themselfs...to proof they are right. What kind of dicussion do we have if you ask a question..we answer..you ask an other..instead of answer our. You already know you disagree with us before we respond. That is a pity..it was very interesting. enjoy your theory

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/12/2008 3:06:40 AM)
That would be proof one way or the other. A discussion of ideas. Yeah you pulled the same shit in the other section. I was asking questions in the beginning but as I read more, and more information came out, it appears as if Iran is headed for at least regional domination. I can understand why you choose to disengage yourself though.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/12/2008 3:08:18 AM)
Show where or just show again that you sling shit without anything to back it up. Pathetic. So how is your Billary girl doing? Anymore sexual harassment going on in your local area? quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Add prevarication, avoiding answering questions or inconvenient facts. That`ll kill a discussion.

philosophy -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/12/2008 8:32:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf I want some proof that you are right. I am saying prove it. hell I am still ready and looking for more proof of my theory. I notice you tend to say this a couple of times, when you feel frustrated. Just give me something to work with here. No matter what even of us say, it will be theory until history plays out. So none of us will know if we are right, until it occurs. Somewhere between all the opinions is the right road, and I am not opposed to compromise. ..one problem with discussions like this is that it's a bit like an argument between weather forecasters. They can't beforehand prove whether they're right or not. No test is possible, only the thing itself proves them correct one way or the other. It is the same with political science, we can do no tests, we can set up no experiments with verifiable controls or suchlike. Instead we are left with precedence and, for want of a better word, ideological viewpoint. The former gives us the data, the latter gives us our schema for perceiving that data. So, in essence, this isn't a discussion about the facts, it never can be. It is a discussion between points of view.....it's that subjective, inevitably.

Owner59 -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/12/2008 8:35:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Show where or just show again that you sling shit without anything to back it up. Pathetic. So how is your Billary girl doing? Anymore sexual harassment going on in your local area? quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Add prevarication, avoiding answering questions or inconvenient facts. That`ll kill a discussion. lol,talk about slinging.lol Just answer some questions ,back up what you say and defend your thoughts with ideas. That`s all anyone`s asking. You know,a discussion. And,there are such things as empiric facts.Not everything, is opinion. There are things that are just true,regardless of politics.No need to omit the things that don`t fit your argument or to avoid defending things you say. Is this the level of discourse we`ll be getting from republicans ,again,during this next absolutely important presidential election? Can we afford high school debate tricks and teen-age logic during this next crucial election? What we need are men that will be willing to take a position and defend it,where ever that leads,so we can have an honest debate about real life and death issues.Like a possible frig`n WW III,etc.,or Iraq and the middle east,health-care or the national debt. Playing cutesy,playing it safe and whining are not debate tactics,Orion.

NorthernGent -> RE: Pre-World War 3 (5/20/2008 6:48:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf so I look for what will be the least amount of loss. Hi Orion, I appreciate you're trying to balance the practical and the ethical; I suppose the answer lies in what is closer to your heart. In the event it's the practical, you may as well go out and steal what you need, thereby saving yourself the practical difficulties in labouring for your rewards. There is no amount of pragmatism that can account for setting up shop on someone else's property.

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