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What would you do?

I'd shoot someone screwing my partner

8% (5)

I would not shoot because of cheating

12% (8)

I would shoot someone that raped a family member

37% (23)

I would not shoot someone that raped a family member

8% (5)

I hate guns and think they should be banned

9% (6)

I wouldn't shoot, but I understand that someone would

24% (15)

Total Votes : 62

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:11:09 PM

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if you were to stab me multiple times, then my survival chance drops to about nil

Indeed

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and if yu cant aim for shit you might be able to go through entire clips without so much as hurting me

I hope no one you love is standing close by you then when I'm swinging my deadly gun about blindly.

Hm... no comment.

As for the subject at hand, I would gladly leap in front of a bullet or blade for my loved ones. But one would hope that my loved ones would be able to handle their own, and not get themselves into a mess where I would have to do such an act. In the event that such tragedy did befall my loved ones, I'm not sure what I would do exactly. Makes one think a lot, though, about how we perceive vengeance.

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:13:45 PM

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I want to know how stopping someone thats been commited to a mental insituation is going to cut down on gun violence.

And Your quite right I didnt read the original thread. It doesnt change the fact that if you put me and my attacker in a room together that he isnt going to come out.... Im saying if someone I know personally hurts me or my family or friends. I would enjoy torturing the crap out of them. I would make sure I had proof before I acted. I always make sure actions I take on another a founded in fact.

But can you honestly say you wouldnt go after someone that destroyed your partner or your sisters life? Espically If that person walked off scott free because " he was a leader of the community and couldnt possibly do what this girl is saying he did."

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:14:42 PM

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I'll be here all night Mr Asherdelampyr we had this last week and I can't really get drawn into it again.

It's a chicken and egg situation and some people argue you need the egg to prevent the chicken. We get by fine and have no need of guns for some reason it works here, so what is fundamentally different there?

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:16:36 PM

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what it comes down too is the downside of human ingenuity... One thing being that the only way to completly remove guns now would involve a time machine, the other bein that without them we would (as a species) find new ways to kill each other

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:17:33 PM

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See that is what upsets me about gun control they only see it as something to Kill and not something that protects.

There was an area of flordia where everyone who legally could was given a Consealed Weapos Permit and Nearly over night Crime Dropped nearly 50 % or so. The Lesson? When someone doesn't know if you have a Gun or not they are less likly to be rude.

beyond my Family and Myself Human life doesn't mean much to me. So you are GOD DAMNED RIGHT If someone is out to harm my family I will give them one warning, when I pull my gun, then if they don't stop immediatly then I will assume they intend to harm me and since I cannot asertain the level of damage they intend to do I must assume the worst and therefore belive the Threat is MORATAL and I will make damn sure that they die first.

To all the people for the removal of guns. I ask a simple question.

Yourself, your child, and/or your Mother are in MORTAL danger the person in front of you IS GOING TO KILL YOU!! Do you think if you had a Gun you would go for a wound? or a Clip Shot? Or are you going to Pull the trigger and only stop once the ringing in your ears is replaced by the hammer hitting and empty chamber?

I don't care who has AK47's or Uzi's why? Because in the HISTORY of America the only Fully Automatic weapon to be used in a Crime by the person it was registered to happened to be a Federal Officer who had a LEGAL permit to have such a Weapon. All other Fully Automatic weapons used in crimes were Stolen or Purchased on the Black Market.

FACT People who Regaister their Fire arms are 92% LESS LIKELY to be criminals. (NRA Stat)

They weren't able to keep guns away from the criminals so why take the law abiding citizens guns away? Why remove our ability to protect ourselves from the criminals who are getting these guns illegally anyway?

People need to understand that the 2nd Ammendment helps to PROTECT YOU not so people can kill.

I Guarantee you that those who wish to comit crime will find a way to get a gun, I want to use my LEGAL RIGHT to protect myself and my family. For those of you living in a Upper class Neighborhood you may not know crime but I used to live in North Las Vegas and around Gerson Park I knew people killed by gang bangers, I know how easy it is to buy a gun. The more you allow yourself to ignore the 2nd amendment right the closer you come to allowing yourself to be a Victim.

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:18:06 PM

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But can you honestly say you wouldnt go after someone that destroyed your partner or your sisters life? Espically If that person walked off scott free because " he was a leader of the community and couldnt possibly do what this girl is saying he did."

I'm a human being and so imperfect I would feel justified but with the key difference being I wouldn't expect greater society to think me justified in my actions. There is a reason why victims are or should be isolated from legal proceedings.

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:18:16 PM

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Thanks to the people proving why no one should own a gun.

For the purposes of the question, a gun wouldn't be my preference anyway. That's more a 'hands on neck' kind of moment. Perhaps nobody should be allowed to have hands either?

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:19:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

See that is what upsets me about gun control they only see it as something to Kill and not something that protects.

There was an area of flordia where everyone who legally could was given a Consealed Weapos Permit and Nearly over night Crime Dropped nearly 50 % or so. The Lesson? When someone doesn't know if you have a Gun or not they are less likly to be rude.

beyond my Family and Myself Human life doesn't mean much to me. So you are GOD DAMNED RIGHT If someone is out to harm my family I will give them one warning, when I pull my gun, then if they don't stop immediatly then I will assume they intend to harm me and since I cannot asertain the level of damage they intend to do I must assume the worst and therefore belive the Threat is MORATAL and I will make damn sure that they die first.

To all the people for the removal of guns. I ask a simple question.

Yourself, your child, and/or your Mother are in MORTAL danger the person in front of you IS GOING TO KILL YOU!! Do you think if you had a Gun you would go for a wound? or a Clip Shot? Or are you going to Pull the trigger and only stop once the ringing in your ears is replaced by the hammer hitting and empty chamber?

I don't care who has AK47's or Uzi's why? Because in the HISTORY of America the only Fully Automatic weapon to be used in a Crime by the person it was registered to happened to be a Federal Officer who had a LEGAL permit to have such a Weapon. All other Fully Automatic weapons used in crimes were Stolen or Purchased on the Black Market.

FACT People who Regaister their Fire arms are 92% LESS LIKELY to be criminals. (NRA Stat)

They weren't able to keep guns away from the criminals so why take the law abiding citizens guns away? Why remove our ability to protect ourselves from the criminals who are getting these guns illegally anyway?

People need to understand that the 2nd Ammendment helps to PROTECT YOU not so people can kill.

I Guarantee you that those who wish to comit crime will find a way to get a gun, I want to use my LEGAL RIGHT to protect myself and my family. For those of you living in a Upper class Neighborhood you may not know crime but I used to live in North Las Vegas and around Gerson Park I knew people killed by gang bangers, I know how easy it is to buy a gun. The more you allow yourself to ignore the 2nd amendment right the closer you come to allowing yourself to be a Victim.

Steel

I grew up just off The Strip, so I compleatly understand that... I dont think anyone there was a registered gun owner, but damn if thre wasnt a lot of steel lying around

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:24:17 PM

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I grew up in east jabib pennsylvania. I went to school in crackville usa.

1 out of 20 lockers had a gun in it.
1 out of 15 some other sort of weapon.

All students were 9th through 12th. They were not legal to have such weapons.

As for keeping victums out of court procedings, It doesnt matter if they are kept out or not. They will hear what is said eventually by the media or someone in court. Hell, I didnt even get to go to court. I was told by the police to go home and stop spreading lies about great men.

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:26:06 PM

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For the purposes of the question, a gun wouldn't be my preference anyway. That's more a 'hands on neck' kind of moment. Perhaps nobody should be allowed to have hands either?

That's a bit of a ludicrous argument. Guns were designed with one purpose in mind but you can do so much with your hands if you decide to use them to kill, so be it. When was the last time you used a gun to eat with?

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:28:48 PM

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Guns were originally designed to hunt with... it was only later they were intrduced into warfare, though in the early stages most soldiers preferred the crossbow... Nothing is ever built for only one purpose, just as no non-sentient object has any morality whatsoever... for better or worse, technology is what we make of it

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:30:50 PM

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The invention of gun powder was to make fire works if i remember history class correctly. And Guns to kill food more efficently to eat... You could say the same about knives or even rocks. The cave people used rocks to kill people they should be outlawed. ( No Rocks for YOU)

It doesnt change the fact unless you can erase everything known about guns. How to make them, killing everyone who has the design known in their head, removing every gun, every object that could possibly be made into a gun and brain washed Every person to forget their existance. People are going to obtain them if they want to, legally or illegally. If a 9th grader can do it, its obviously not that hard...

what your saying is that people who abide the law arent allowed to have something... but people who dont, wont give a flying fuck about the law telling them no. If they are criminals they have proven they dont care about laws.

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:34:57 PM

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Let's see.... Did we do the pheasant for dinner Wednesday, or Thursday? My gun didn't kill them, but the principle is the same.

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:43:35 PM

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Heretic. Did you use a rock to kill them?

Point: Anything can be used as a weapon. Even a cat.. Sure cats are like ninjas...
Point: take away a weapon, people will find something else to replace said weapon.

Would you rather have a gun or a home made death device?

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:49:10 PM

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Ugh.

Personally, I wouldn't shoot a rapist. First of all, there's many girls that pull the "Omg I've been raped!" card all the time. They do it for the attention, they do it to spark a reaction in someone else, or they do it to screw over an ex, or to make it seem like they didn't mean to screw alll those guys! Flame away, but I've seen it happen. It seems to be more prevalent in the little emo girls. "Omg, I was almost-raped yesterday!" "Omg?! Me too! How many times have you been almost-raped? Me, 7 times!"

It's probably a mean thing to say, but my sister is bordering on dramawhore. I love her to death, but she loves starting things, ha.
Now, if I were to walk into the room and someone was on top of her and she was clearly pissed about it, yes, shit would hit the fan, but I wouldn't shoot them. It'd kind of be messed up if I missed and shot her after all, wouldn't it?

Then, there's the macho-macho men. I see them already in this thread. They say they'd be all for torturing and pulling fingernails and buring somewhere in the woods...

Do it. I dare you. I've worked in a burn ward, and I've seen the manly-man men come into the room, gag, and run out because of the smell and sight of a human with 98% burns with a bad case of gangrene. It's like in highschool, with the empty threats, you see the jocks walking around all puffed up saying they are going to "kick his effing ass!" because some other dude talked to their girlfriend of two weeks.

I don't believe in torture. If you need a gun for self protection, no problem. I don't know, I'd get tired of carrying it around everywhere, and leave it at home or something. It's like the mace spray a friend of mine gave me, it's on my keyring. "Hey, hold on dude... let me go get my keys ok?" But I seriously doubt that 99.9% of guys that say they'd cut someone up with a blowtorch and dump them in the woods could actually carry out that threat. Even if you hunt... it's different.

As far as shooting if my partner was cheating... no, but I could see myself chasing the pair around with that riding whip thing I have in my room, haha.

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 7:51:47 PM

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LOL. Somebody else shot them, Hopeless. My guns mostly get used on rattlesnakes, and I haven't done one of those on the grill yet.

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 8:01:12 PM

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Yes people kill one another and have always done but we shouldn't be making that process easier. If I’m hitting you over the head with a rake I may break into a sweat but my finger only has to move an inch with a gun.

So weapons ownership should be determined by laziness? Or lack thereof? i'm confused. If i've got enough space to take a good swing at the head, i could kill just about any man alive with one shot from an axe. Why use a rake, of all the damn things?

If i were in the situation described in the original thread, and found somebody in the act, with my wife saying he was raping her... yes, i'd be doing my best to kill him with whatever was handy. If that's not a person's right, it should be, and i'll roll the dice on a jury of my peers feeling the same.

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 8:08:06 PM

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There are way too many openings in this poll. It all depends on the details. You can use the "crime of passion" defense to cover your ass on the cheating part. But if you have to go and get the gun, it changes to premeditation. If you have the gun in your hand, it's premeditated. So the odds against you are bad if you shoot a romantic rival. If you say she was screaming, and you grabbed the gun to defend her, hope she doesn't testify against you. Shooting a rapist- if you catch him in the act, shoot away. There are many ways to detach genitals- take them away, and he's automatically someones bitch in prison. But you could be his roomie, and he could be your bitch if you go to prison for castrating him. Or you could be part of bubba's little poly family as well. If I had a gun in my hand, and saw someone about to do greivous harm to a loved one, or even an old person, or a handicapped person, I'd shoot, no problem. But would never hunt someone down to execute them.

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 8:09:42 PM

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We arent allowed to kill pheasents here..I was with a friend and we were driving on a back road and got pulled over because we almost hit one of them. My response to the officer was. Its not my fault the thing didnt think it was important to move out of the way of the 20 ton vehical, If it wants to commit suicide who are you to stop it. He laughed and sent us on our way...

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RE: What would you do? - 5/10/2008 8:48:31 PM

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Ugh.

Personally, I wouldn't shoot a rapist. First of all, there's many girls that pull the "Omg I've been raped!" card all the time. They do it for the attention, they do it to spark a reaction in someone else, or they do it to screw over an ex, or to make it seem like they didn't mean to screw alll those guys! Flame away, but I've seen it happen.

Well, apparently you hang around with some real low-lifes.

Not everyone does.

i trust the people i care about.

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