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Level -> Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 6:40:18 PM)

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Americans have on average gotten much richer over the past several decades than they were in previous generations. The inconvenient truth, however, is that there has been no meaningful rise in the average level of happiness.

In 1972, 30 percent of Americans said they were very happy, and the average American enjoyed about $25,000 (in today’s dollars) of our national income. By 2004, the percentage of very happy Americans stayed virtually unchanged at 31 percent, while the share of national income skyrocketed to $38,000 (a 50 percent real increase in average income). 


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For example, compare Mexico and France. The cost-of-living difference between the two nations is vast, so economists don’t compare raw income; rather, they compare the “purchasing power” of citizens. In Mexico—a nation in which most people live above the level of subsistence but still are much poorer than residents of the United States or Europe—the average purchasing power was about a third what it was in France in 2004. And yet Mexicans, in aggregate, are happier than the French. In Mexico, 63 percent of adults said they were very happy or completely happy. In France, only 35 percent gave one of these responses.


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American communities are like countries when it comes to happiness. Like happy Mexico and unhappy France, the happiness of American communities—all of which are above the level of subsistence—depends very little on their comparative prosperity. There are abundant examples of unhappy high-income communities and happy low-income communities. Take eastern Tennessee (which includes the cities of Chattanooga and Knoxville, but is mostly rural), where people are 25 percent likelier than people living in tony San Francisco to say they are very happy, despite earning a third less money on average. Obviously, it is more expensive to live in San Francisco than it is to live in Tennessee, but San Franciscans still enjoy more than 30 percent more disposable income

Now, I don't necessarily discount what this author is saying, but let me ask this; where would you rather live, France, or Mexico? Tennessee or San Francisco?
 
http://www.american.com/archive/2008/may-june-magazine-contents/can-money-buy-happiness




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 7:12:55 PM)

france...since im a citizen already...  if not for the big quake coming i would like san fran.

and money does buy happiness.  if i had $1000 right now i'd be on a vacation.





DDraigeuraid -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 7:25:37 PM)

The glib answer.  Money may not buy happiness, but I certainly wouldn't mind trying to disprove that theory if I had money.
More serious?  I do not think that the money, or where you live is what makes people happy.  That is what is in the person.  To me what is disturbing, is that only 30% of the population is very happy.
Dragon




windchymes -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 7:26:22 PM)

Money may not buy happiness, but I'd be willing to be miserable.....[8|]




Irishknight -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 7:27:02 PM)

Money doesn't buy happines but it is known for RENTING it.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 7:31:36 PM)

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Now, I don't necessarily discount what this author is saying, but let me ask this; where would you rather live, France, or Mexico? Tennessee or San Francisco?


I've never been to France, so I couldn't say.  I'd certainly like to visit one day.  As for Mexico, I wouldn't want to live in TJ or Ciudad Juarez.  But Mexico has some beautiful areas in the southern parts of the country.  I certainly could be happy living on a beach in southern Mexico. 

As for Tennessee or San Francisco, I'd take Tennessee.  San Francisco is a great city to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there. 




Quivver -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 7:32:04 PM)

Ok, I'll bite............ give me Tennessee over San Fran any day. 
I think the trade off is what I precieve as quality over quanity, others see my view as backwards of their own and that's ok!
I can appreciate San Fran, but the pace of that life would be too much for me if I had to do it daily. 






petdave -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 7:48:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

Money doesn't buy happines but it is known for RENTING it.


Beat me to it.

i wonder how the numbers compared for rural vs. urban areas in the same country.

Frankly, i think that population density has a lot to do with it. Hell is other people, after all. $X doesn't buy you the same amount of elbow room in San Francisco that it does in Tennessee.

Eastern TN/ western NC would be my first choice if i were to relocate... i'll just need to trade in my truck for a 4x4 model. San Fran is #1 on the list of places i want to visit (during FSF). i've been to France and Mexico and wasn't impressed.




rubberpet -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 7:51:40 PM)

Make me a billionaire and see how miserable I'll be...[:D]




kinkyviolet -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 8:11:15 PM)

Well, life for me would certainly be much easier and less stressful if I had more money (without having to work more for it). I don't know if I'd actually be happier, but I'd have more time and energy to pursue the things that make me happy.

I think comparing income or buying power to happiness level is pointless anyway. Most people with higher incomes also have to work much harder and/or have much higher levels of stress, and thus have lower happiness levels. Those in urban areas also have the added stress of traffic and crowded and noisy environments, which can also affect their happiness. There are many more factors to consider than just income versus happiness.

However, all other things being equal, I believe that extra money can increase a person's happiness, depending on the person and what they do with it. The reverse is also possible. So, to answer the question: Can money buy happiness? Yes, it *can* buy happiness (in a manner of speaking), but it doesn't always.




CalifChick -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 8:17:12 PM)

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In Mexico, 63 percent of adults said they were very happy or completely happy. In France, only 35 percent gave one of these responses.


Seriously... 63 percent are "very happy" or "completely happy"???? Well there goes all those threads on illegal immigration.  Sheesh.

I've heard Oprah say it before, and I believe it... money makes you MORE of whatever you are.  If you're an asshole, and you come into money, you become a bigger asshole.  If you're a generous, giving person, you become more generous and more giving.

Money may not buy happiness, but not having it can sure make a person miserable.

Cali




DomAviator -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 8:21:44 PM)

As others have said - it may not buy happiness but it can rent it. I see numerous advantages to leasing LOL! I have to say though I dont agree with any of the options presented. For TRUE happiness one needs to be in Texas! Thats why the 63% of Mexicans were so happy - they know that they are just one quick run into Texas...  [:D] 




christine1 -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 8:26:44 PM)

it might not buy happiness, but i'd be a lot less stressed if i had just a little bit more of it.




GreedyTop -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 8:28:58 PM)

Since the majority of any unhappiness in my life is caused by money related matters..I'd say that in MY case... money CAN buy happiness...




Aileen1968 -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 8:31:11 PM)

Having enough money to pay the bills and provide for fun things does make for happier days.  But then again I'm a happy person.  Angry people are going to find a reason to be angry whether they have one or a million dollars.




subfever -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 8:45:00 PM)

Happiness comes from within. Those who chase happiness from without, are chasing the wind.

Nevertheless, I believe money can lull people into a false sense of temporary happiness; until the money runs out, or new problems emerge that money doesn't typically solve.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 8:46:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

Since the majority of any unhappiness in my life is caused by money related matters..I'd say that in MY case... money CAN buy happiness...
I dunno about that, but it sure smooths out the rough spots.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 8:52:02 PM)

From level's link:
"In 1972, 30 percent of Americans said they were very happy, and the average American enjoyed about $25,000 (in today’s dollars) of our national income. By 2004, the percentage of very happy Americans stayed virtually unchanged at 31 percent, while the share of national income skyrocketed to $38,000 (a 50 percent real increase in average income). "

What's wrong with that statement?




Alumbrado -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 9:02:50 PM)

It's unreal




MzMia -> RE: Can money buy happiness? (5/12/2008 9:04:04 PM)

Maybe money can't buy happiness, but I rather be unhappy WITH money,
than unhappy without money.
 
For me personally, money does not buy happiness, it buys contentment.[;)]
It is a great feeling being able to pay your bills, have money in your pocket, be able to buy more than just the necessities of life and have money in the bank. 
It is a good feeling to know, that you will be okay whether you lose your job or not, and you will probably be okay financially no matter WHAT tomorrow brings.

Does being poor in and of itself bring happiness?
 
Are most poor people very happy?

Let's take a poll of those that are doing well financially and those that are not doing well financially , and see what group

is the happiest.
[;)]
I would be happy in either San Francisco or Tennesse, since I would have the money, I would have homes
in both places, cause that's how I roll.
[:D]




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