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Rule -> RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be (5/13/2008 12:13:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator even the subatomic particles are in and of themselves matter How is matter defined? For me only that which can be touched is matter.

DomAviator -> RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be (5/13/2008 2:05:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: DomAviator even the subatomic particles are in and of themselves matter How is matter defined? For me only that which can be touched is matter. The accepted definition of matter in physics is "something that has mass and occupies space" So obvioulsy atoms are matter - but so are the various sub atomic particles - protons, neutrons, electrons. etc which have mass - in the case of electrons it is tiny: 9.1 x 10 to the -28th gram but it is mass nonetheless.. However - photons are NOT matter as they have no mass.

thornhappy -> RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be (5/13/2008 6:47:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Mass does exist, as does time. Matter is a consequence of mass, or a derivative. If no mass, then no matter. Take for example a photon. It has no mass, is a particle, but is not matter. However, photons have momentum (making for confusion if you're using Newtonian physics where momentum = m*v) thornhappy

TheHeretic -> RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be (5/13/2008 7:25:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Matter does not exist. And yet, illusionary or delusional, the myth of matter works for us. My ass is comfortably suspended in the non-existent chair, the glass bottle (which is actually a liquid, rather than a solid) contains a refreshing adult beverage. The gas somehow remains contained inside the plastic case of the lighter, the carved bit of wood somehow contains the vegetable matter, and channels the smoke and vapors correctly. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

LondonArt -> RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be (5/13/2008 7:33:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Matter does not exist. (which is actually a liquid, rather than a solid) Actually, it's an amorphous solid, not a liquid. Well, perhaps there's an argument for it being a supercooled liquid, but that's not the same as a regular liquid. It's all technical semantics when you get down to that level though, so amorphous solid works best for regular use, since it displays the large scale qualities of a solid rather than a liquid. [/pedant mode]

batshalom -> RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be (5/13/2008 7:53:24 PM)
~folding her arms~ Fellas, I have to tell ya ... I really prefer to be the geekiest geek in the room ...

Termyn8or -> RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be (5/14/2008 12:04:07 AM)
Wait now, I just jumped back in but ........ If photons can have inertia they must have mass. Go ahead and tear me apart, you might just prove my point. Photons can be affected by gravity which resulted in Einstein getting confused. The reason photons can be affected by gravity is because they have mass. Without mass gravity has no effect. I can't say this proves my point though. This is because photons have not really been proven to exist. It hasn't been proven to me in 44 years, so I don't think it is likely now. IMO Einstein got a bit too old for this game. He started saying that gravity can affect time. IMO nobody in their right mind would think that. He forgot that HE indeed was the observer. Doppler did a better job at explaining it actually, but I do not want to go into that right now, it is too late. I got work tomorrow. I think the original expression E=mc2 said it,and later his mind got polluted by conventional thinking. And if you keep basic mathematics inmind, there is no way to multiply mass by velocity. I mean that it can be calculated, but as a raw expression like that I think it meant something else. T

DomAviator -> RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be (5/14/2008 12:52:56 AM)
You're right - photons dont exist. You arent really seeing this or anything else. To prove it - Buy a $5 laser pointer and shine it into your eyes for while - just long enough to burn out the photon receptors. If you can still see you've proven they dont exist. LOL Einstein was confused, its a good thing you have stepped forward to correct his errors. Of course the E-mc2 formula has jack squat to do with photons as the m refers to MASS and is only for particles with mass. However Einstein did cook up his E=cp formula... or that pesty lil formula for calculating magnintude of momemtum using Diraks constant etc... Good thing the physical world has you to correct all this... Oh and lets try a mass by velocity problem.... I seem to recall that is known as momentum. :D We have a pound of bullshit moving across the internet at the speed of light so lets try this IFM=mc where IFM is the Ignorance Factor Momentum , m is the mass of the bullshit being expelled, and c is the speed of light... Yep, plug in the values and it works - its kind of like the "anti intelligence quotient" [:D]

RealityLicks -> RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be (5/14/2008 4:25:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol I like that the internet is full of ignorant proles [&:] . On a certain level, I reluctantly agree. Today's radical abstract thought and theory are tomorrow's learn-by-rote correspondence course. [:'(] However, I'm sure the "nobs" are at it, too! [:D]

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