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More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 12:47:04 AM

Termyn8or

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Matter does not exist.Period. What we percieve as matter is actually an intersection of three waves resonating. This is true of every percieved atom in the universe.

If you touch a piece of steel you encounter resistance. Let's say a piece of iron. The structure of the atoms is that it is mostly space. What you feel when you touch a piece of iron is the forces in the atoms. You are feeling force, not matter.

I am taking you higher now. Nobody with even a basic understanding of atomic and molecular theory should have the slightest problem with this. You know that even some of the densest materials mainly consist of space on a molecular or atomic level. So how can you even argue that when you touch it you are touching matter ? You can't.

When you see a piece of iron it is a force, one that reflects light in a certain way.When you feel iron it is force. Strides have been made in science to intensify that field, but in reality when they mix up things and come up with new alloys, that is all they are doing.

Enhancing the field.

Normally I would not share all this all at once, but now that my love has called, I think I better because I might be near death. No, I don't think she will kill me on purpose. But I know Murphy's law, and I heard it from Murphy himself. That is another story in and of itself.

But back to the subject. We percieve that there is a difference between energy and matter, while all the time purporting to know that most atoms, even of the most dense materials are mostly space. Then we fail to see the absolute lack of distinctuion between the two. There is no way in hell technology can really advance as long as we stay so narrow minded.

The fact is, what we percieve as matter is nothing but stable energy.

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 3:46:51 AM

LadyEllen

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Thats nothing! How about this one - "time does not exist"?

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 4:02:40 AM

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Mass does exist, as does time.

Matter is a consequence of mass, or a derivative. If no mass, then no matter. Take for example a photon. It has no mass, is a particle, but is not matter.

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 4:06:54 AM

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Rubbish. If matter doesn't exist, what are all those turtles made from?

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 4:09:05 AM

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Time is a dimension.

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 4:25:54 AM

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Nope KS - time only exists when there is an observer, and to be an observer would require that one be separate from the things one is observing; and yet, we are part of the thing we are observing time act upon. It is only because we erroneously hold ourselves to be separate that we perceive time elapsing.

Interesting, esoteric and crazy all at once, no?

Next up - "dimensions are not real"

E

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 4:46:42 AM

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Hmmmm...

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There are three conventional spatial dimensions: length (or depth), width, and height, often expressed as 'x', 'y' and 'z'. 'x' and 'y' axes appear on a plane Cartesian graph. In the 3rd dimension, a 'z' is used and is found in functions such as a "z-buffer" in computer graphics, for processing "depth" in imagery. The fourth dimension is often identified with time in physics, and as such is used to explain the non-Euclidean space-time used in Einstein's theories of special relativity and general relativity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension

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Interesting, esoteric and crazy all at once, no?

Yep, but...

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Next up - "dimensions are not real"

Mine are pretty real

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 4:57:51 AM

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oil does not exist.

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 4:57:56 AM

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With dimensions such as x, y and z, we have the same problem with the observer and that which is being observed.

And there is also the interesting idea of what exactly is one measuring? One can only measure between two points or three points, if one has reference points from and to which to measure. With physical objects this might seem simple - but then consider T's post - that in fact there are no physical objects, only energy. And nowhere in the universe it would seem is there nothing - every spot in space is occupied by either matter or energy or both, and the only difference between the two is what we observe. So at best we can measure our illusion.

And then consider whether x, y and z can exist independently of one another? If something depends for its existence on something else, then in reality it does not exist at all as we think of it.

Nevertheless, these are philosophical ramblings of course unless one "gets it". But even "getting it" will not affect the time it takes for a bullet travelling from point x1.y1.z1 to strike point x2.y2.z2 on what one might know to not be oneself, and neither will the existence of the bullet as a collection of energy waves nor the existence of a skull as a collection of energy waves prevent serious interruption to the energy waves one might imagine to be one's head.

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:01:49 AM

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Trust me, LadyE, nobody is more aware of their own insignificance in the grand scheme of things than moi. My intuition has always told me that it's pretty obvious that time as we perceive it is linked to our own limited biology and perception- that is why it's said that time is all relative...

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:09:49 AM

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The truth is, there's more than one truth.

And kittinSol; insignificant? Who could believe such a crazy idea!

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:11:35 AM

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Indeed - every one of us is significant. Just not in the ways we might imagine.

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:13:36 AM

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:-)

Perhaps there is only one truth, but it's just difficult - or impossible - to find it? I LOVE these subjects where there is no definite answer: I hope the truth remains as elusive as it's always been.

It's so much more beautiful that way...

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:23:17 AM

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I agree. But then, time being what it is, perhaps I'm writing this before you post your reaction. Eerie.

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:27:07 AM

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I love it.

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:29:56 AM

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Time has never been explained and whether it exists or not is just speculation. We are prisoners of our perception. We are designed to occupy a niche in nature and our senses are geared to our survival and not geared to enable us to understand the nature of the universe which is why we try to advance our knowledge of the universe and our place in it through the scientific method.

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:35:39 AM

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What 'grand scheme' are you talking about?

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:38:12 AM

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I could have said 'universal chaos' instead :-) .

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:43:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Indeed - every one of us is significant.

Quite.

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RE: More esoteric than you could ever hope to be - 5/13/2008 5:51:17 AM

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Well I say if Murphy explained it to Termy then he must be right, Termy I mean.
How about space? Whats that then?

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