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Alumbrado -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 1:51:35 PM)

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It really isnt my problem if you dont have the ability to read what are obviously provocative comments and realise the purpose of making them.



It is transparently clear that the purpose is to claim 'that sort of thing would never happen here', as you have so often, facts to the contrary.
Using your own insinuations, it is a fair conclusion that constitutes approval of such things as long as they are being done by 'the right sort of people' or for 'the right sort of reasons'...which is where I come in calling 'BS!'.




DomAviator -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 1:54:14 PM)

Im telling it like it is and using it as a stong admonition to stay on the right side of the law. While slaveboy is TECHNICALLY right, if Pasadena PD wants to search my car Im not going to start arguing consititutional law with them. There is nothing in my trunk that shouldnt be there. I apporoach a traffic stop with the same approach that I used in addressing a DI or Chief at OCS. SIR. YES SIR. Do ya know why I stopped ya? NO SIR I DO NOT BUT I AM SURE THE OFFICER HAS A REASON AND WILL TELL ME AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME SIR! Saying, Uh cause youre a few tickets short of quota and your a powermad little prick who was born too late for the hitler youth... will NOT end well. Yeah its "kissing ass" but by displaying the proper attitude I have never so much as gotten a ticket even when speeding, etc... By comparison Britt, the woman in my story got the shit slapped out of her and 18 months probation for saying "youve got to be fucking kidding me??? Wheres the sign??? No way! blah blah. If you want to argue amd assert your rights do it in court not in the street  cause the approach slaveboy relates - while factually accurate and within the letter of the law- can get you seriously fucked in a lot of places....


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I dont know your orientation slaveboy, and I do not mean this in an insulting way but you appear in my opinion slightly effeminante. With this in mind, mouthing off to the wrong cop in say Houston would get you deliberately tossed in with the sex offenders / jockers / jailhouse romeos and you would probably be cornholed and gang raped all night,,, Hopefully not contracting HIV or Hep or something unpleasant if not fatal - cause remember they dont hand out condoms in jail. Is it worth a potentially fatal night of rape and HIV infection to get the satisfaction of showing some cop you know more law than he does?




LadyEllen -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 2:01:10 PM)

is there no will to change the way the police conduct themselves as public servants DA?

I train and advise police here, and I realise its a stressful job (even without for the most part here, the presence of guns) and officers are only human and can cross the line sometimes - but it sounds monstrous the way you describe your police acting. Albeit, we really could do with more respect for the police here - from those who cross the line the other way; I couldnt be a police officer, because having seen some of these live camera shows, I'd end up beating half the people stopped to death!

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Alumbrado -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 2:01:45 PM)

 
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While slaveboy is TECHNICALLY right, if Pasadena PD wants to search my car Im not going to start arguing consititutional law with them. There is nothing in my trunk that shouldnt be there. I apporoach a traffic stop with the same approach that I used in addressing a DI or Chief at OCS. SIR. YES SIR.


Sorry, that advice is as bad as slaveboy's.. there is a world of difference between refusing to comply with a legitimate order, (which might put a reasonable person in fear for their safety), and saying 'Yes Sir' to a groundless search because 'they want to'.

No cop out there is going to tell a judge on the record that their PC for a search was lack of permission.  They are either going to desist, lie, or look for more PC.




DomAviator -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 2:08:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Sorry, that advice is as bad as slaveboy's.. there is a world of difference between refusing to comply with a legitimate order, (which might put a reasonable person in fear for their safety), and allowing a groundless search because 'they want to'.

No cop out there is going to tell a judge on the record that their PC for a search was lack of permission.  They are either going to desist, lie, or look for more PC.


Yes, they will look for more PC and they will find it too... Like when they beat the piss out of you for "attempted escape" , "resisting arrest" , "Verbal Assault on an officer" , that joint that miraculously happened to fall out of your pocket... Once they have you in custody for SOMETHING they can search for whatever they want and to cover the beating they will probably find it. You dont fuck with cops in some places... The shit HPD gets away with wouldnt fly up north but a grand jury here wont indict cops, a DA wont charge them, etc. I mean for gods sake they SHOT AND KILLED A CIA AGENT! If they will blow away jack bauer what will they do to me? I wouldnt allow a groundless search because they want to - I would allow it because I like my dental work as it is, my facial features are all exactly as I want them to be, and I enjoy the ability to walk, breathe, and control my bowels.... Thats what I preserve by complying.




Alumbrado -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 2:12:31 PM)

I don't live my life in fear like that. There will always be thugs with badges but the purpose of knowing exactly what one's rights are is the same as knowing exactly what the envelope is anywhere else...choosing to rely on it is never without risks, right?




slaveboyforyou -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 2:19:15 PM)

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I dont know your orientation slaveboy, and I do not mean this in an insulting way but you appear in my opinion slightly effeminante. With this in mind, mouthing off to the wrong cop in say Houston would get you deliberately tossed in with the sex offenders / jockers / jailhouse romeos and you would probably be cornholed and gang raped all night,,, Hopefully not contracting HIV or Hep or something unpleasant if not fatal - cause remember they dont hand out condoms in jail. Is it worth a potentially fatal night of rape and HIV infection to get the satisfaction of showing some cop you know more law than he does?


I'm straight aviator.  I am hardly effiminate, and I have been to jail before.  I was a wild, cocky SOB between the ages of 14-25.  I have been arrested for public intoxication several times, disorderly conduct (for mouthing off to a cop), and misdemeanor battery twice for fighting.   The battery charges and the disorderly conduct charges were dropped.  But I did spend the night in jail a few times.  I was never raped, and that doesn't go on as much it the media makes out.  I guarantee you that Texas jails aren't any worse than Arkansas jails.  My little brother did 2 years in Tucker Prison here for a probation violation stemming from a felony battery charge, and Tucker ain't a fucking joke.  He never saw anyone get raped.  He said there were plenty of other gay guys in there if you wanted that sort of thing. 

Now I have calmed down a lot in the last 8 years.  I haven't had any dealings with the police since 2000.  But I still assert my rights.  I am polite about it, but I don't let anyone cower me into giving up my Constitutional rights. 




camille65 -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 2:55:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

According to the Houston Chronicle there have been 138 "in custody" deaths at the Harris County jails.  In many parts of Texas, esp Pasadena, there are THREE and only three correct answers to a cop - Sir Yes Sir, Sir No Sir, or Sir This Motorist Doesnt Know But Will Find Out Sir".   I understand the Bill of Rights, the need for warrants and probable cause, the right to deny search etc but just try it in certain places and you will go out out to buffalo bayou for a swim with the gators. Pearland PD used a stun gun on a kid over 100 times for breaking curfew. You dont fuck with some cops , esp not southern ones. Asking "Why did you pull me over?" in Pasadena will get your face bashed in.

 It can be difficult to accurately gauge the tones of a persons word on a message board so I'm asking you a question that I hope you answer. Do you consider the above tactics used by the police in your post to be a problem or a solution to things?




SugarMyChurro -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 3:08:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I am hardly effiminate...


Where are the mods today? Haven't we had enough of this troll yet? I've been blocking him for days already. I haven't got time to read worthless drivel. And why should anyone have to answer to such a preposterous assertion?

Damn.

[8|]

Kudos to slaveboyforyou for keeping his cool.




LadyEllen -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 3:10:39 PM)

Sugar - I'd advise giving him a chance from my exchanges with him on the other side; seems to me he has an interesting viewpoint on a lot of things, isnt afraid to state it and actually isnt a "bad guy" (just very direct) - but I wont go into what were private mails.

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lusciouslips19 -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 3:20:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I am hardly effiminate...


Where are the mods today? Haven't we had enough of this troll yet? I've been blocking him for days already. I haven't got time to read worthless drivel. And why should anyone have to answer to such a preposterous assertion?

Damn.

[8|]

Kudos to slaveboyforyou for keeping his cool.



yes, kudos to slaveboytoyou. Whos calm demeanor in the face of idiocy makes him really HOT![8D]




firmobeisance -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 3:30:28 PM)

Ok, DA, the whole thing about "Tony" Roland Carnaby is that he feared he was being "set-up" and that he had strayed into the wrong territory...Texas. And whether or not you believe that, it kind of plays out in the statements of the people he assosciated with who'd never heard of him.
Anyways, the big issue, i m insignificant o, is the freaking complicency of the attitude. I mean it's wonderful and all that some of us know the language of the police, ta da, big step forward in human evolution there. What is compelling is how blind we can be to where this is heading. Obviously the situation is affecting the lives of people you would take into your own home, almost an equal, depending on your view of women; and still you call the punishment which far outweighs the crime just.

You can just go ahead and watch it on the evening news while the rest of us are fighting to perserve your rights.






slaveboyforyou -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 3:55:39 PM)

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Where are the mods today? Haven't we had enough of this troll yet? I've been blocking him for days already. I haven't got time to read worthless drivel. And why should anyone have to answer to such a preposterous assertion?

Damn.

[8|]

Kudos to slaveboyforyou for keeping his cool.


No big deal, I wasn't offended.  People have assumed worse things about me.  I am a gorgeous, sexy motherfucker.  So I assume that's why he thought that.  [:D]

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yes, kudos to slaveboytoyou. Whos calm demeanor in the face of idiocy makes him really HOT![8D]  


*smiles*  Thank you darlin'.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 4:32:50 PM)

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No big deal, I wasn't offended.  People have assumed worse things about me.  I am a gorgeous, sexy motherfucker.  So I assume that's why he thought that. 



I'm a mother!

(sorry, couldnt resist[:D])




Aynne -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 5:06:31 PM)

No kidding Sugar, that was such an asshole comment. Slaveboy you are way nicer than me to answer that as respectfully as you did.  None of his business....[:@]   



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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou
I am hardly effiminate...


Where are the mods today? Haven't we had enough of this troll yet? I've been blocking him for days already. I haven't got time to read worthless drivel. And why should anyone have to answer to such a preposterous assertion?

Damn.

[8|]

Kudos to slaveboyforyou for keeping his cool.





kittinSol -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 6:19:41 PM)

Slaveboy's a good looking bloke, you're just jealous aren't you?

God forbid, on the other hand, I ever find out what you resemble [8|] .




DomAviator -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 9:41:57 PM)

In the interest of fairness, and to extend an apology to Slaveboy, there are many lifestyles, orientations, and the like represented here. I was not trying to imply that he has gay or transgendered - but even if he was that wouldnt matter. My point was simply that he appears delicate - perhaps in an effeminate way, perhaps in a yuppie way, etc. He is what the knuckle dragging neaderthals with badges I was referring to would label as unable to hold his own on a cell block and if given attitude they would capitalize on that by throwing him into a tank that he would have a hell of a time defending himself in. There have been numerous articles about such incidents in the chronicle. In one a 17 year old black youth was tossed in with the white supremecists so as to "integrate" the jail... There was a widely reported case in which a minor offendor - petty theft or something - with an attitude they did not like was thrown in with the wrong crowd and was repeatedly raped until he had need for a temporary iliestomy. The article indicated that the deputies knew this would happen as they told him something like "you want to be a pain in the ass youre going to know what pain in the ass is"

I apologize to slaveboy - my question to him was not a personal attack as indicated by my saying "I dont know your orientation slaveboy, and I do not mean this in an insulting way but you appear in my opinion slightly effeminante."  I was simply trying to point out that if I saw him as non-formidable and pehaps less able to defend himself than say the gnarly offshore oil worker, the street gang member, the biker, or the like this is a perception the police would have and would potentially capitalize on during cell assignment as another form of abuse on those they felt were smart assing off to them. (Smart assing being defined as daring to assert the rights that they choose to ignore)

Again my apologies to slaveboy no slight intended.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/14/2008 10:21:13 PM)

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In the interest of fairness, and to extend an apology to Slaveboy, there are many lifestyles, orientations, and the like represented here. I was not trying to imply that he has gay or transgendered - but even if he was that wouldnt matter. My point was simply that he appears delicate - perhaps in an effeminate way, perhaps in a yuppie way, etc. He is what the knuckle dragging neaderthals with badges I was referring to would label as unable to hold his own on a cell block and if given attitude they would capitalize on that by throwing him into a tank that he would have a hell of a time defending himself in. There have been numerous articles about such incidents in the chronicle. In one a 17 year old black youth was tossed in with the white supremecists so as to "integrate" the jail... There was a widely reported case in which a minor offendor - petty theft or something - with an attitude they did not like was thrown in with the wrong crowd and was repeatedly raped until he had need for a temporary iliestomy. The article indicated that the deputies knew this would happen as they told him something like "you want to be a pain in the ass youre going to know what pain in the ass is"

I apologize to slaveboy - my question to him was not a personal attack as indicated by my saying "I dont know your orientation slaveboy, and I do not mean this in an insulting way but you appear in my opinion slightly effeminante."  I was simply trying to point out that if I saw him as non-formidable and pehaps less able to defend himself than say the gnarly offshore oil worker, the street gang member, the biker, or the like this is a perception the police would have and would potentially capitalize on during cell assignment as another form of abuse on those they felt were smart assing off to them. (Smart assing being defined as daring to assert the rights that they choose to ignore)


I accept your apology, and like I said I wasn't offended.  I didn't really understand how you came to that conclusion.  I'm not a tattooed, scruffy looking dude but I'm certainly not a nancy boy.  But, no harm no foul. 

The reason the police don't do things like that to people like me is because I'm an educated, white, anglo-saxon, protestant.  Police know better than to pull that kind of crap with someone like me.  But they shouldn't pull that with any citizen.  The reason they do is because no one complains.  We are members of our communities.  When the police do these things to anyone, we should all be down in our city halls or county courts raising hell.  Being a member of a democratic-republic requires dilligence and a demand for justice for all people, not just the affluent members of society. 




firmobeisance -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/15/2008 1:31:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: firmobeisance

Ok DA ...You can just go ahead and watch it on the evening news while the rest of us are fighting to perserve your rights.




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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

...and you are so patriotically welcome.




DomAviator -> RE: drug police put cam in worng mans anus (5/15/2008 3:11:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: firmobeisance

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ORIGINAL: firmobeisance

Ok DA ...You can just go ahead and watch it on the evening news while the rest of us are fighting to perserve your rights.






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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

...and you are so patriotically welcome.


First off - do not attempt to attribute quotes to me that I didnt say. I speak my mind, and if I have something to say Ill say it.

Secondly - Get over yourself, I dont have to extend any "patriotic" gratitude to you. I've done more than my share of fighting to preserve peoples rights. Unless you had something on your collar that beats my gold oak leaves, I dont need your lectures on patriotism.

Third and finally - you go ahead and fight all you want. I have the judgement to know when select zone five, extend, escape, and live to fight another day. The side of a dark road with an unindicatble unprosecutable cop who has 20 buddies a radio call away is not the place to wage the fight. Frankly, if he gives me the ticket anyway - which he probably wont if I display the right attitude - if I want to fight it I can give it to my lawyer who will postpone it and postpone it till it gets dropped or pled out to a nolo contrendre on a jaywalking charge with deferred adjudication. If some cop wants me to open the trunk so he can see my road flares, fire extinguisher, first aid kit, tool box, and  fishing pole god bless him. Im not getting my ass kicked, getting hauled in on trumped up charges, losing my pistol permit, winding up on probation, possibly getting shot etc... Fighting the unwinnable fight doesnt make one a hero it makes them a statistic.




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