DomAviator
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
If there is no concern about liberties, then why not just fucking shoot them and be done with it? There is a slippery slope, and you can choose to ignore it, but anything that can be done to someone by our government, can be done to us, with enough justification. There needs to be lines, and when they appear to be crossed, there needs to be further investigation. While they are prisoners, and you may feel comfortable lumping them all together, there is a difference between someone who is rejected asylum, and one who has committed a violent felony. This is why we have a Bill of Rights and Constitution, to place lines that the government is not supposed to cross, and is a good example of what the US is supposed to represent, according to the founding fathers at least.
Do you believe in anything between yes and no? Are there ever exceptions? Is it always all or nothing? Your questions at the end show how ludicrous you wish to make an arguement, to justify something.
Actually, in many cases I would rather we simply shot them, and would volunteer to be on the firing squad. (I would even provide my own rifle and ammunition so as to save the taxpayers money.) BUT that is not permissible under law and that is what is under debate here - the LAWS.
As for "are there ever exceptions" the answer is "only if the law provides for them". Regardless of WHY they are being deported a person in ICE custody being deported is a PRISONER IN CUSTODY. Maybe that person was refused asylum because they are a DANGEROUS CRIMINAL in their home country. Perhaps the guys responsible for the church street massacre in south africa would like asylum? Ooooops - DENIED! Shall we deport the RUF members from Sierra Leonne who went around chopping off peoples arms with a machete? After all their request for asylum was denied. People denied asylum are usually denied because they are low life subhuman scumbags and criminals trying to evade justice at home!
I am sure the Marine who killed the pregnant Marine would LOVE asylum in Mexico but hes being deported back here isnt he??? HMMMMM does that make him a nice guy? Maybe Osama Bin Laden would like asylum someplace other than his fucking cave?
The issue here is the MEDICAL SEDATION OF HIGH RISK PRISONERS being transported aboard an aircraft. Their will, wishes, consent etc doesnt matter. They are fucking prisoners. Dont want it to happen to you - dont become a prisoner.
I dont give a fuck about the "rights" that they THINK they have. They are prisoners and they have the right to follow the rules of the institution they are in custody of. Meanwhile, the FAR's dictate who and what can be carried aboard an aircraft and how. The FAR's are the laws that pilots, flightcrew, and air carriers MUST follow. Those rules say nobody posing a threat to the flight / violent / or emotionally disturbed may be boarded, sedated patients under medical supervision may be carried, restrained persons may not. If they want to fly them someplace they will follow those rules found in FAR parts 91, 108, 121, and 135.
I will NOT break the law myself, because I feel sorry for some piece of shit being deported for whatever reason. I will NOT endanger a crew, an aircraft, and thousands of people on the ground because some prisoner doesnt want to be drugged before flight. Wells Fargo Bank wants their two mortgage payments every month, and GMAC wants a payment every month to keep that Vette in my driveway, Ford Credit wants another payment to keep that Eddie Bauer in my driveway, etc. I cannot make the money to cover those, and other payments necessary to maintain my standard of living, by working as a people greeter in Walmart so if I want to keep that pretty bluish green card with the pictures of Orville and Wilbur in my wallet I will follow the FAR's. If they rewrote the FAR's to say "don oxygen masks, depressurize the cabin at 35,000 feet, wait 30 minutes and throw the corpses of the frozen and asphixiated prisoners from the aircraft over international waters" then that is the law I would follow if it meant keeping that certificate in my wallet and keeping the lifestyle I have earned.
People have to do what the law says. Remember that anyone being deported has already broken the law of "dont be in this country unless you are supposed to be here". You want to make federal agents, flight crews, and air carriers violate yet more laws because some prisoners dont want to get high for their flight home????
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