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proudsub -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/16/2008 2:36:07 PM)

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What do you think is the draw to being tied up in a scene?.. I mean specifically.. bondage that does NOT allow for sexual stimulation of genitalia


For me the bondage, even just the thought of it, is arousing even if there's no touching of privates.  [:)]




DesFIP -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/16/2008 3:15:05 PM)

Bondage by and of itself is a sexual turn on in a very high degree. If my brain isn't turned on then playing with my bits is an irritant, not a fun thing. And to me being bound turns me on. I don't care if he lets me cum immediately or not for an hour, or if not until later. It's still fun and I'm still wet.

We don't have penetrative sex during my period but when I'm not in a lot of pain, he'll tie me up and just play with my nipples and I will cum from that frequently. If I don't that day, then I'm hotter and ready for the next time.




vampchick88 -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/16/2008 3:39:30 PM)

Mmmm the thought of pet all rubbered up and bound so that he can not move, only struggle. Its enough to make me squeak! Being bound is not all about sexual satisfcation, its about the power to bind someone, watch them sqirm for hours, while I get to sit back completely amused and entertained, occassionally allowing some sort of sense of my presence then let him be alone again for a while. Its all about the experience, the pleasure, the joy of doing the tying up, watching him, and the wonderful feeling of looking at him thinking to myself just how lucky I am to have him. ~Lorelei




Insatiable4Black -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/16/2008 4:55:34 PM)

Again.. please understand that I posted to see what OTHERS thought and not to have other people tell me what bondage IS or ISN'T about. 

Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one. 

Please don't tell me what Bondage is for.. as an ultimatum.  I derive pleasure from many things.. including bondage.. but without the pleasure leading to release - -   there's no sense in it FOR ME...   EVERYONE'S DIFFERENT.

(this is a reply to those who posted above me)




Insatiable4Black -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/16/2008 4:57:37 PM)

Great notion!  I love hearing that.   Thanks!  (These are the sorts of replies - thought provocations I was aiming for when I posted in the first place.)
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ORIGINAL: MladyHathor

The inescapable freedom of no freedom to escape.




fluffyswitch -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/16/2008 9:55:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pagansub77

I don't always associate sexual stimulation with enjoyment. If the 'binder' chooses to go there, well....it's all good. I love the feel of the rope though. The different textures, the ritual of being bound in various ways, it all helps to put me in a very relaxed and receptive mindset.





i agree. if He chooses to bind me so that i can have pleasure great but it's not so much about what might happen when i'm bound as much as being bound. being bound almost always relaxes me. i even like being bound to myself and blindfolded and left propped up somewhere for awhile (i tend to get bound on my hands and knees and bound to myself so i tend to fall over if something's not there to stabilize me). the binding itself is enough to satisfy me.




Lynnxz -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/16/2008 11:44:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Insatiable4Black

Again.. please understand that I posted to see what OTHERS thought and not to have other people tell me what bondage IS or ISN'T about. 

Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one. 

Please don't tell me what Bondage is for.. as an ultimatum.  I derive pleasure from many things.. including bondage.. but without the pleasure leading to release - -   there's no sense in it FOR ME...   EVERYONE'S DIFFERENT.

(this is a reply to those who posted above me)


Did you just ask for opinions, and then call those opinions assholes? O.O No one delivered an ultimatum- I just see people answering your question.




eyesopened -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/17/2008 1:44:07 AM)

Okay.... here's my feelings.  First of all, bondage is in itself sexual stimulation for me.  It arouses me!  Gets me wet!  i don't need my genitals stimulated although a nipple twist while bound is a bonus.

But the real thing i crave about bondage is something completely different.  i feel swaddled, like an infant, and like an infant (no i'm most definately not AB) it calms me, soothes me, makes me feel all safe and secure. 

Once i am swaddled, be it rope or a tight corset or leather or latex (Master is teaching me the joys of latex) or any combination of the above, well my body stops being my concern and my mind is then free to experience everything!  Bondage is the most liberating experience i can have.  Yeah, i know, i'm kinda twisted.




sadomasokisti -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/17/2008 3:20:32 AM)

1. Good inescapable bondage sets me free.
2. Good inescapable bondage helps me to get into the right mindset for pain play.
3. Nothing beats relaxation in comfortable secure bondage.
4. Predicament bondage makes me usually horny as hell.
5. Love the power it gives me when I have someone tied and at my mercy




ViceVersa -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/17/2008 4:43:28 AM)

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Did you just ask for opinions, and then call those opinions assholes? O.O No one delivered an ultimatum- I just see people answering your question.


Yeah. I didn't quite understand that either, Lynnxz.

Vice




IronBear -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/17/2008 6:07:54 AM)

Actually, I believe the quote used was "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one". If I'm correcrt, tjhen he was calling no one an asshole but refering to the point that every onre has an asshole and everyone has an opinion. Vastly different to actually calling everyone an asshole. Of course I may have missed something in which case my reply would possibly incorrect.

Iron Bear
Master of Bruin Cottage
(A Victorian Lifestyle poly home)

"I judge a Man by what I see him do and not by what others tell me he does."
(Captain Sir Edward Pellew of the HMS Indefatigable to Midshipman Hornblower ~ C.S. Forrester)





petdave -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/17/2008 6:41:11 AM)

IMO, for an understanding of what some bottoms enjoy about really heavy bondage of that sort, the most thoughtful articles i've seen are the ones on http://www.seriousbondage.com (the pictures are nice, too! [:)]) It's a bit wordy, but the authors there do a much better job of describing the feelings than i do, from the perspective of a very heavy bondage bottom.

i've seen a few theories here and there that certain kinds of pressure on the body- like hugs, and swaddling, as eyesopened refered to it- can release endorphins. It's apparently a fairly common therapy for autistic children to wear weighted vests or blankets, to induce a feeling of calmness and comfort. i suspect it's all related...




ViceVersa -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/17/2008 7:07:59 AM)

Hi IronBear,

I understood that the quote referred to opinions and not people. What I didn't understand was that the OP seemed to be dissatisfied with the responses she was getting, possibly mine. Farther down in her post she says "please don't tell me what bondage is for." Since my first post was organized around Bondage for..., I was trying to see if what I said was what Insatiable was referring to. I was also trying to see if I misunderstood the intent of the original post which I took to be "what do you get out of bondage if it's not sex" and answered in that light. Bondage is all those things - for me. Anyhow...just trying to make sure everyone's on the same page (although that's probably an unattainable goal on every post on collarme).

Vice




ViceVersa -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/17/2008 7:11:17 AM)

Yeah...Serious Bondage is an excellent site, petdave.

Vice




lizcgirl -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/17/2008 8:51:34 AM)

I enjoy being restrained in any form basically for the same reasons I enjoy being a submissive. I love being able to trust the other person to an extent where I am able and willing to hand over my will, my body, everything I have in me, to them and allow them to do with it as they please. That amount of trust is incredible and sexy. I also enjoy it because He enjoys it, and making Him happy is one of the most important things to me.




Focus50 -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/18/2008 2:24:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Insatiable4Black

What do you think is the draw to being tied up in a scene?.. I mean specifically.. bondage that does NOT allow for sexual stimulation of genitalia.     I enjoy being bound - but I don't really care for bondage that keeps me from being sexually pleasured.   I've had experience with shibari, with cuffs and chains, too.

For me, bondage is mostly about a greater control dynamic.  Which means I like the girl being vulnerable and helpless etc when I do what I like to do.  Best physical way to achieve that is naked and bound, which in turn sets the desired headspace for her, too!

 
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My take on D/s and BDSM - is that WHATEVER goes on ought to be pleasureable for both parties (or more than two! hehe) involved.  So, please don't reply that it's the Dominant's decision how you are bound, how the scene goes etc. 


While sexual stimulation is often a part of my scenes, I rarely get aroused from it myself - which leaves me free to tease and torture her with it at my leisure.  And deny her, too!  Thing is, I don't see myself as being there just to service her, so, as others have said, *I'll* decide what happens to her and what doesn't.  Point being, I'd still rather be conducting a scene than having nilla sex but my motivation isn't personal sexual gratification - it's about exerting my will upon her.  I'd soon tire of a girl who thinks I'm merely there to operate the toys and/or get her off - who is actually controlling things then?

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I am asking what the draw is to being bound and caned, whipped, teased etc.. without the diversion of sexual release.

 
Just curious :)  Looking forward to the posts that follow!

Sexual release isn't a diversion - it's exactly the same as "being bound and caned, whipped, teased etc" - it's what *I choose* to do upon her, or not.
 
Focus.




StrangerThan -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/18/2008 5:59:04 AM)

There is no definitive answer to this question. Like most everything, it's subjective to the people involved.

For me, the answer is to often bind.  Having said that however, I look at it in a couple of ways. Binding, restraining actually creates a sense of freedom that goes along with the physical sense of being controlled. That freedom being that one can struggle, can exist within the play of the ropes or shackles or whatever is used, can feel the physical act of control taken away. It helps create that sense of vulnerability along with a sense of transference of responsibility. I'm trying to avoid being vague here, but that transference can be important. People often carry a lot of baggage in the form of guilt for past actions, bad decisions, things they just don't bring up in conversations until you've known them for a long time. Some of that baggage can be of the traumatic kind, some from guilt that society seems to love heaping upon people.  Binding her doesn't release her from things she carries from the past, but it does put her in a place where the responsibility for what happens in that moment rests squarely upon my shoulders. If what is done is sexual, it's under my control, not hers. If it's putting her deep enough in that happy place that she hallucinates frogs raining out of a blue sky, it's my responsibility, not hers. The trust that emerges from taking her there and bringing her back, accepting that responsibility, is something that can't be measured in simplistic terms. It's deep. It is strong. It is why when I see a dominant and his/her submissive, there is an automatic sense of respect for both. They feed off each other regardless of how they involve or choose to involve themselves with other people.

I've told my girl that the strongest bonds I put on her however, are those I don't. You can place that statement within the boundaries of mental, physical or emotional aspects, but in simplistic, physical terms, if I'm going discipline her, sometimes I'll simply tell her not to move. I won't give that freedom of being able to transfer or struggle or feel vulnerable.

Maybe I'm drifting off topic or off course. The term scene can incorporate a lot of things, both public and private, and I'm not sure which you refer to. One thing that never happens with me is negotiation. She will never be put in a place where any negoitation takes place over what is done. I set the rules because she is my responsibility. But the answer to the question is that there's no set answer. Know the people involved. Know your own needs. Know the need of those you interact with. If you do that, there's rarely a question of whether to bind or not.




TysGalilah -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/18/2008 6:55:08 AM)

 
 
sensory deprivation creates an environment that causes us to feel deeper than the surface sensations.  Feeling emotions, where the sensations are coming from and not just the sensations themselves.
 
Sometimes the focus of the sexual release can be distracting from the entire experience ( or journey) getting there.
Restricting the O or  what you might expect to happen to get you to have one>  allows you to visit the unexpected and uncertainties that can allow your mind and body to relax into feeling what is happening and not what you "predict" will happen next.
 
Blindfold me and my other senses heighten.......hearing, smelling, feeling everything more intently......feeling his touch even before it connects with my skin because I can feel the energy  and heat of his fingers  ( or other parts of his body).
 
Tie me  and I am forced to BE.  Be there, listening intently, watching every move.  My focus is intensifyed on HIM and his every motion and action.  I am free to feel and surrender, nothing is expected of me except to just be anything and everything he orchestrates.
 
In my experience, releasing my emotions and feelings ( first ) is much more intense than a sexual release. 
 
Im a highly charged sexual being and so my orgasmz are right there.  But being with a person who can take me on the emotional journey and make me feel my feelings from the inside out, feel my sexuality from deep inside rather than the surface excitement, reaches past my clit to find my sensual ( reads senses ) feelings, is literally changing "my" orgasmz to HIS/or her  orgasmz.
 
 




edgepassion -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/19/2008 4:26:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MladyHathor

The inescapable freedom of no freedom to escape.


True Power Exchange.  Perhaps my biggest “button”. 
 
Just the sound of the lock clicking shut is damn……whew….




Dnomyar -> RE: To Bind or Not to Bind (5/19/2008 5:06:00 AM)

OP if you dont like to read the answers to your post then don't post. Because of the mod I have to be nice to you. But  I have to question if your useing this for wank material.




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