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RE: Emotions ? - 5/19/2008 12:25:42 PM

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In response to the original reply, emotions are our thoughts in action. As humans we tend to have so many thoughts so quickly that all we are left with is the emotion. It can take us a long time to trace back to the thought that gave rise to the emotion. To "control" emotion we're left with two choices: find the original thought and change it or think a new thought and change the emotion we're feeling. Emotions themselves are rarely controllable, it's our thoughts that are controlled.

Having said that, racism and all other "isms" are tribal views of others outside the defined tribe. We all have tribes, family born, adopted from our social circle, adopted from our work circle, etc. Those that are family born are hardest to change because success in the family born tribe requires we mimick their behaviors and cherish the same beliefs. To step outside our family born tribe takes tremendous courage. More likely we find other tribes we identify with as we grow older that recall the traditions of our family born tribe in some manner and we join with them.

It takes a truly self-aware, mature, courageous, free thinking individual to rise about what we are taught and to form our own thoughts. History recounts to us the tales of these individuals because they are so few and far between.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/19/2008 12:32:11 PM

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Yes and no. Intolerant people have just as much right to thier views as tolerant ones, as long as they do not act upon another. Ie - being nauseated by gay sex, interacial dating, certain religions etc is perfectly ok by me, as long as you dont harass, harm, or otherwise infringe upon those minding their own business and doing their own thing.

That is a very fine line because I can harass someone just by giving them a disapproving look.

You said earlier that no one should be proud to be gay and this is what I based my reply on. The problem with not having pride about who you are and what you do means eventually we will revert back to what we had in the past. If no one demonstrates it is perfectly ok to be gay by attending gay pride events you’ll have another generation of people wondering why they are different and no one in society shares their desires.

You are either proud of what you are or you are keeping it to yourself and if everyone is keeping what they are to themselves how does anyone know these people exist? It is important ignorant people know these people exist too because maybe one day, just maybe they won’t be so ignorant. Maybe a generation will grow up, hear the retched dialogue of their elders but also see that society is made up of many great gay people who are not to be feared or loathed as their parents tell them to but appreciated and respected.

I’m not saying everyone should be forced to declare their sexuality because it is a personal decision but I don’t think people should be pandering to the needs of the ignorant. If gay people want to celebrate who they are then everyone else is just going to have to live with it because until recently it was the opposite of that i.e. gay people suffering in silence for something they couldn’t change even if they wanted to and many tried the whole marriage thing too thinking they were in the wrong. They did it because they had no one telling them that being gay was normal.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/19/2008 2:19:22 PM

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You said earlier that no one should be proud to be gay and this is what I based my reply on. The problem with not having pride about who you are and what you do means eventually we will revert back to what we had in the past. If no one demonstrates it is perfectly ok to be gay by attending gay pride events you’ll have another generation of people wondering why they are different and no one in society shares their desires.

You are either proud of what you are or you are keeping it to yourself and if everyone is keeping what they are to themselves how does anyone know these people exist? It is important ignorant people know these people exist too because maybe one day, just maybe they won’t be so ignorant. Maybe a generation will grow up, hear the retched dialogue of their elders but also see that society is made up of many great gay people who are not to be feared or loathed as their parents tell them to but appreciated and respected.

Ok first off you are preaching to the choir. I didnt say "no one should be proud to be gay" I said "HOWEVER, there is nothing to be "proud of" being gay anymore than there is to be "proud of" being straight. " That doesnt mean "gay people go hide in the cave and dont show your faces". I happen to be straight... Should I be PROUD that I get my dick sucked by Hailey instead of Bill or that I fuck BrittneyLee's ass instead of Freds?

As for the "if gay people dont go to the gay pride events nobody will know they are different" EXACTLY. They dont turn themselves into a freak show! They AREN'T "different" they are people like any other people. They meet, they fall in love, they make a life together, etc.... I say that the gay couple that chooses to live down the block in peace and harmony and who are good neighbors who come to my BBQ and much better at teaching gay tolerance than some loud mob of angry freaks chanting "Were Here And Were Queer" as they unlawfully attatch themselves to the tail end of a Saint Patricks day parade (Which incidentally is a sacred RELIGIOUS holiday to many.) as they defy the police to arrest them.

See the message that spectacle sends to the ignorant is "God damn, those gays are really fucked up look what they did..." The message that Joe and Bill (not their real names) send when they attend the block parties, come over to borrow a tool or to have a beer, or when they stand in the street to block traffic while I try to get the boat trailer backed in is "Gays are just like us, and those are two really nice guys." Frankly, I have never stopped to wonder who is top, who is bottom, or if they switch off LOL What they do in their bedroom is none of my fucking business. I dont walk across the street to ask Dale and Shawnie what they do in their bedroom, and frankly Im glad they keep it to themselves.

So Laura my exwife used to suck my dick... Whoopieeeeee., why does the neighborhood need to know that? Why is it imperative that be shared with the world? Why must the ignorant masses be informed that Britt takes it in the brown eye and likes to have her pussy eaten? I would speculate that if she went up and down the street carrying a sign announcing that she likes to be greeked hard, and demanding that society recognize and applaud her for it - as a heterofemale she would take as much grief as a gay man. Not because they dont like her for what she does, but because they would think shes fucking crazy LOL I know I would shit twice and die!!!

Parading whackos doesnt show society that gays are great people. Gays living their life together in bliss, and being good neighbors in our communities shows us much more. Respect is earned not demanded. I like my gay and lesbian friends, but I really dont give a rats ass about their sexuality. I like them because of who they are, and how they act, not because of what orifice gets what put in it by who. Why do they have to BE different - they arent "different" they are people like anyone else.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/19/2008 3:13:29 PM

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I say that the gay couple that chooses to live down the block in peace and harmony and who are good neighbors who come to my BBQ and much better at teaching gay tolerance than some loud mob of angry freaks chanting "Were Here And Were Queer"

I agree - and I say that coming from the 'queer end' of the scale. - I am generally not one to join in parades though - that goes for any parade - and I actually feel a bit embarassed at times by some of the 'flashy' displays - simply because it actually does not represent me - who I am, and neither does it represent any of those I count among my friends. It takes all sorts though, and in every group of people - I fully accept it and even appreciate it in some other settings, but the truth is that the majority of 'gay' people are not particularily exhibitionistic - well, errr - not necessarily in any outrageous way anyway.

There is another aspect to this though, and that is that many glbt people grow up with a sense of shame about their sexuality, and that is why the possibility to actually express PRIDE in it is so important and, for many, represent an actual revolution in their lives. I guess it's a sort of phase many are going through before things level out somehow. - As I said before, I don't get into the parade thing at all, but nevertheless I am grateful for those who have been at the forefront of the struggle for glbt rights over the years. It's still an ongoing struggle and in many parts of the world there's still a long way to go.

As for the original question, whether 'Racism, Sexism and Homophobia are human emotions'. No, I don't think so. There is the whole range of emotions ranging from love to hate; who they are directed at is a purely individual matter - and sometimes a societal matter as when hatred and phobias are promoted by use of law - or belief structure.

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/19/2008 3:26:58 PM

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admitting to myself being gay was not "oh cool" there was alot of pain in being honest with self.

when I realized it was not a stage that I would grow out of, for my own good I had to be honest with myself.    I hate what that did to my family. My anguish then went on to bog them down. --years later- it was a good thing. I dont regret it.

DA was not out of line.   simply put there is time and place for public theatrics/spectacle/etc.

a freak show --invites unwanted scrutiny. it mocks those who seek to get along with community.   it suggests that all gays are like that.

on the one hand let your hair down and have fun, fine, [but, as myself and a few others said] at the same time- there IS a time and a PLACE.   [my opinion]

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RE: Emotions ? - 5/19/2008 3:30:26 PM

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Fast reply.

Prejudice raises its ugly head when one individual is isolated as if he/she was representative of an entire group. That's very commonly how racism starts: such a person is like that, such a person is such a colour, therefore all persons of that colour must be like that. Similarly with homosexuality and sexism... People hold on to these false truths, because they seem like comfortable certainties, and because they reinforce their beliefs that they are somehow superior to those against whom they are prejudiced. Eventually these beliefs become ingrained, and transmitted to the next generation, like a bad lot of DNA...

Personally, I see nothing wrong with gay parades and celebrations. They're joyful festivals - and nobody is forced to attend them. Otherwise, let's just forbid all forms of public celebrations and stay cloistered in our houses as if there was nobody out there that was different from ourselves... Conformity is a terrible plight on modern culture: nothing wrong with embracing one's difference, if that's what one is into.

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