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KarbonCopy -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 3:12:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: alwaysUnderYou quote: ORIGINAL: realsumissive By definition: If he also likes sex with females, he's bi-sexual. If he just likes to give head and anal, as you put it, he's GAY. I think it's very revealing how you say not to pass my ignorance on "us". I don't see anyone else taking your poistion. You sir are a bisexual male with very predominant gay tendencies. Get used to it. it won't change. That is my professional opinion. IMO, when people judge & label others, its very often more of a reflection on themselves than on the object of their judgement. Consider that in vanilla/redneck society, a LOT of femdom activities would be cause for labelling. Want to be forced into panties? Your GAY. Want to have your mouth fucked by stilleto heel? Your GAY. Want to be tied up and fucked in the ass by a strap-on cock? Your GAY. So, realsummissive, since you listed forced crossdressing in your profile, by many people's standards, you are simply GAY. Get used to it. And there is the problem with black and white thinking - it often defies a reality that is much more complex and/or subtle. But hey, its easier not to have to think about things. Well spoken claps

Kasia -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 3:16:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: realsumissive I guess Kasia should have read it through too. Nowhere did I say, imply, or mention the key word here. Willingly. I am not reading any of this here anymore. I got bored with people like you insulting other people.

ModeratorSeven -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 3:25:14 PM)
Remember that everyone has the right to their own perspective and opinion. It is considered against the TOS to attack someone for their personal opinions. This warning is directed to all on this thread who have partaken in attacks and personal insults to other participants on the forum. Continued behaviour along the same lines can lead to a person being placed on moderation for 1 week, followed by review. Mod7

FTopinMichigan -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 4:34:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ModeratorSeven Remember that everyone has the right to their own perspective and opinion. It is considered against the TOS to attack someone for their personal opinions. Thank you, ModeratorSeven. When I started this thread, I wanted to hear differing viewpoints ON the topic. It started out well, and quickly turned bad when several posters decided not to accept the choices/opinions of others. I would hope that everyone would agree that we are all entitled to respectfully voice how we feel on the topic. The redundancy here, in trying to force others to believe how one feels is nonproductive and turning into a soap opera of attacks. Would be nice if folks could state their own opinion, and not always try to change other's, or demand that others conform to their way of thinking. No one opinion is right thinking, as I see it, and bashing folks for their view is unproductive, although (I hate to admit it) occasionally entertaining. [;)] Eye opening, on many levels, to say the least. K

IronBear -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 4:45:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FTopinMichigan quote: ORIGINAL: ModeratorSeven Remember that everyone has the right to their own perspective and opinion. It is considered against the TOS to attack someone for their personal opinions. Thank you, ModeratorSeven. When I started this thread, I wanted to hear differing viewpoints ON the topic. It started out well, and quickly turned bad when several posters decided not to accept the choices/opinions of others. I would hope that everyone would agree that we are all entitled to respectfully voice how we feel on the topic. The redundancy here, in trying to force others to believe how one feels is nonproductive and turning into a soap opera of attacks. Would be nice if folks could state their own opinion, and not always try to change other's, or demand that others conform to their way of thinking. No one opinion is right thinking, as I see it, and bashing folks for their view is unproductive, although (I hate to admit it) occasionally entertaining. [;)] Eye opening, on many levels, to say the least. K Nothing like a good stouch occasionally to clear the blockage, fun and even amusing, I'll agree but mostly counter productive.. I think one of the most benificial aspects of the CM Forums is the diversity of opinions posted. I do feel however that when some one posts a professional View, that it is reasonable to expect that to be supported with some form os explanation of qualifications. We have a good many people here who have professional backgrounds and this just adds to the value of their opinions.... By and large, I find that the advise and help offered here is excelent. Keep it up y'all (from a Grizzly who has never stated he did Deep Sea Diving for profit ~ If you were as claustrophobic as I am you'd understand why......

orfunboi -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 4:47:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: realsumissive Definition aside, there can be, and would be serious ramifications involed in what many state as "forced" bi-sexuality. If a dominant female were to require a submissive to have sex with another man for her pleasure, the end result could be that the sub finds it so humiliating that he takes drastic measures. I can quote hundreds of case studies where after having a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex, a person found it so disgusting, and revolting that they ended their life. Unfortunately, the after feelings can only be experienced after the fact. There are many, many threads on this site pertaining to dangerous forms of play. This should be at the top of the list. I for one, have no desire now, have never, and believe it is unlikely that I ever will want to have sex with another man. For some dommes, who love edge paly, there can be scenes where he/she could render the sub/slave incapable of resisting through bondage and other means. I can see where a domme could if she desires, place a man in inescapable and severe bondage, use an "O" ring gag, and then have a man enter the sub's mouth with his penis. Although the sub may not do anything to further arouse the preditor, the after effects could be disasterous. For those of you that do not have a problem with this form of play, I can see where it may be very erotic, but for those that would be repulsed, it may not be a good idea to go there. That's why open and honest communication is essential. Thats why there are hard limits, if you can't trust your Domme to follow those limits, then you should not be playing with her.

FTopinMichigan -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 4:56:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear I think one of the most benificial aspects of the CM Forums is the diversity of opinions posted. I do feel however that when some one posts a professional View, that it is reasonable to expect that to be supported with some form os explanation of qualifications. We have a good many people here who have professional backgrounds and this just adds to the value of their opinions.... By and large, I find that the advise and help offered here is excelent. I agree that a "professional" opinion can surely be questioned, but in that the poster in question was repeatedly asked to clarify, and chose not to do so...why bother asking again. I remember a recent thread where a woman stated her professional research found that women were "genetically" predisposition to submission. Of course I questioned the type of study to determine this "genetic" trait, that I am obviously lacking. [sm=lol.gif] My request for more info was completely ignored, yet she continued to respond to others. I think the silence to the question...is the answer...dontcha think? [:D] K

IronBear -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 5:07:10 PM)
You are of course correct. the silence speaks volumes.

KarbonCopy -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 7:10:32 PM)
You should listen to the mods realsubmissive.

EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 7:49:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lord_of_Z I think if you see a cock in yer face and you get turned on to the point of an erection, yer bi. men have to be turned on to get hard , can't fake that and so what if you are bi. in the life style we live in , no one will judge you anyway. I have had my cock sucked by another man at the request of my girlfriend and I enjoyed it but never had the inclination to suck one, is that weird or what? And the women who have physiological orgasms in response to being raped are really enjoying it? The question here is simple- does the ACT OF SEX equal the ORIENTATION of sex? IMO- no. Having sex with someone IN NO WAY equates to the DESIRING of sex, even if biologically you get turned on by it (for example, a man getting hard or a female having an orgasm while being raped), or even if the sex is a conduit through which you derive OTHER pleasures (ie pleasing your dominant).

realsumissive -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 9:31:55 PM)
I guess the next logical question in the order of this logic would be: How many times would one have to sleep with another man before he would be classified as gay. How many times would a woman have to have conventional sex with a man, and make love to another woman before she would be classified as lesbian, and how many times would one have to have sexual relations and enjoy them before they would be classified as bi-sexual. Anyone has the right to call themselves what they wish. That's fine. The original question posted here was "isn't someone seeking bisexual experience....bi-sexual? The textbook answer as well as the clinical answer is yes. Then everything got out of hand. If someone is forced, which means against their will, to have an encounter with the same sex, that doesn't make them bi-sexual, or gay. Karbon stated that he routinely has sex with other men, and that does make him bi-sexual if for no other reason he isn't being "forced". It was a simple answer to a simple question. Next, we get the ones that have to know one's credentails if they give a professional opinion. I don't usually talk about anything personal in my life on here, but I made an exception, which I may regret. I'll have nobody to blame but myself. The only perfectly sensable statements on this thread were posted by the Mod.

IronBear -> RE: Forced Bi (10/23/2005 10:17:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy You should listen to the mods realsubmissive. KC, just a sugestion, block realsubmissive, as I did after his abrasive comments about me. There are some folk I'm happy to debate with, but frankly when some one doesn't bother to use a reasonable level of communication skills and reverts to personal attacks, they are not worth listening to or reading their comments. Like a few here, I come here to learn, enjoy good company and a healthy discussion/debate. I'm just too busy to enter flame wars.

ChereeAmoor -> RE: Forced Bi (10/24/2005 5:18:05 AM)
I wouldn't think having an experience changes one's sexual orientation. I lived in Italy for years - that was an experience - but I did not become Italian, nor will I ever. The term "forced" sometimes strikes me as amusing, such as when I am "forced to relax".....

FTopinMichigan -> RE: Forced Bi (10/24/2005 5:59:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: realsumissive The only perfectly sensable statements on this thread were posted by the Mod. Many people posted intelligent and thoughtful responses to my question, and in spite of you not being able to accept their opinions, realsumissive, I feel you should refrain from rehashing your own, over and over and over. We DO know how you feel on this topic! Some agree with you and some don't. I thank you for sharing how you feel, but I personally don't believe there's a need for you to persist in constantly repeating it, or arguing it with others that will not change their own way of thinking either. (And yes, I realize that you are not the only one posting in this manner.) This thread became a 'hot topic' not due to the subject matter, but between several men pumping their chests and trying to FORCE one, to other way of thinking. Guess what...it's not working, is it? My question was for opinions...not for debate, or to change the world, or to change anyone's way of thinking. I do hope the thread stays on track with opinions, and not attacks. If the attacks persist, I would respectfully request that the Moderators remove the thread. I think it's a topic worth discussing...in a civilized manner. K

orfunboi -> RE: Forced Bi (10/24/2005 6:52:45 AM)
Very well said, Ma'am. :O) calli

alwaysUnderYou -> RE: Forced Bi (10/24/2005 9:36:17 AM)
I think some of the communication problems here are due to differing underlying assumptions about bisexuality. Some think it is a binary yes/no thing, and others see it as a continuum from slightly-bi-curious (finds some same-sex fantasies erotic), to fully bisexual (would be just as happy necking in a parked car with someone of either gender). Kinda seems like Republicans versus Democrats!

Kasia -> RE: Forced Bi (10/24/2005 11:47:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear (from a Grizzly who has never stated he did Deep Sea Diving for profit ~ If you were as claustrophobic as I am you'd understand why...... IronBear, I used to suffer from really bad claustrophobia and actually cured it by taking a diving course. At least to the point of being able to take an elevator and not walk to 12th floor which I used to do. But to keep it ontopic - in my opinion defining people as straight, bisexual or gay is too simple and inadequate. There are so many shades of gray...... from hard heterosexual monogamous folks having sex only for reproduction to polysexual promiscuous homosexuals. I guess its like BDSM, there are strict masochistic submissives and strict sadistic dominants and numerous levels and combinations inbetween. Ie....... how would you define me - I am polysexual and bisexual but monogamous emotionally, dominant with traces of sadism who find it pleasing to switch ocasionally but for just one person? Too many labels and all together I dont think they can give anyone a slightest insight in what and who I really am.

KarbonCopy -> RE: Forced Bi (10/24/2005 5:36:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: realsumissive I guess the next logical question in the order of this logic would be: How many times would one have to sleep with another man before he would be classified as gay. How many times would a woman have to have conventional sex with a man, and make love to another woman before she would be classified as lesbian, and how many times would one have to have sexual relations and enjoy them before they would be classified as bi-sexual. Anyone has the right to call themselves what they wish. That's fine. The original question posted here was "isn't someone seeking bisexual experience....bi-sexual? The textbook answer as well as the clinical answer is yes. Then everything got out of hand. If someone is forced, which means against their will, to have an encounter with the same sex, that doesn't make them bi-sexual, or gay. Karbon stated that he routinely has sex with other men, and that does make him bi-sexual if for no other reason he isn't being "forced". It was a simple answer to a simple question. Next, we get the ones that have to know one's credentails if they give a professional opinion. I don't usually talk about anything personal in my life on here, but I made an exception, which I may regret. I'll have nobody to blame but myself. The only perfectly sensable statements on this thread were posted by the Mod. I never claimed to routinely have sexual encounters with men. In fact its only occured once. So your point must be vaild. rolls eyes Ironbear: You're right, ignorance is not worth my time, thats why I live in Canada.

FTopinMichigan -> RE: Forced Bi (10/25/2005 6:39:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KarbonCopy Ironbear: You're right, ignorance is not worth my time, thats why I live in Canada. KarbonCopy, I find some of your words/attitude to be the most offensive here, when it comes to slaming fellow Forum members. Now you've taken to insulting whole nations! IMO, while you've been speaking your opinion on the topic, you've also spoken volumes about yourself. K

harleygirl72 -> RE: Forced Bi (10/25/2005 7:29:13 AM)
quote: Seriously though...isn't someone seeking bisexual experience...bisexual???? I can only speak of my desires and not for someone else, as this is a deep fantasy of mine. I would not willingly seek out a female for sex or a relationship outside of friends, nor would I or could I have sex with a female without a Dom present initiating it. I would do this for a Dom and find pleasure in it. As another author wrote it, being forced takes the responsibility of the act off of me to a degree. Though are we truly being forced if it isn't a Hard Limit? No we aren’t, but the final decision is in his hand and not mine and therefore I feel free to enjoy without the guilt. Am I a homophobe or bisexual? Who knows, but I don’t feel the need for labels outside of what a Dom would have of me. [;)]

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