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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/4/2008 11:30:03 PM   
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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 2:27:48 AM   
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Another thing to note... there are some "good ones" that are gleaned over because of our age... and thus, we fall in the trap of conversing with a "bad Top" who forever scars our experience/interest in the lifestyle. Just playing a bit of Devil's Advocate as I am bitter about it myself... but from a different view-point. 

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 2:56:07 AM   
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The only trouble I see with a "Good Ones are Taken" thread is it sends a message to all the fabulous unowned ones that they are no good.  I'm sure that's not what you intended, but the message is there to be picked up on.


...in addition to that my question by now is, if there is any good one out there...I stop believing...

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 3:30:43 AM   
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Ok people Im the choosen GOOD one. Celeres what does age have to do with being good or bad?

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 3:24:41 PM   
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wow - didn't know that there were female tops out there looking - good to know - not sure if I,m a good one, depends on what you seek - but a new one for sure

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 4:27:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Celeres

Another thing to note... there are some "good ones" that are gleaned over because of our age... and thus, we fall in the trap of conversing with a "bad Top" who forever scars our experience/interest in the lifestyle. Just playing a bit of Devil's Advocate as I am bitter about it myself... but from a different view-point. 


Whoa!  Had to go look.  22 is VERY much out of my age bracket.  My new toy is only 25, which sort of bothers me because he is younger than my oldest son.

I don't see where being a 22 year old male would be a hindrance unless you are looking for a much older Domme.  I doubt that I'm the only one who starts feeling like a "Cougar" when the young ones come knocking.


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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 4:30:11 PM   
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we fall in the trap of conversing with a "bad Top" who forever scars our experience/interest in the lifestyle. Just playing a bit of Devil's Advocate as I am bitter about it myself.

It is not the fault of Dommes you have never met that you created a "bad" relationship for yourself and another person.  Probably it is nobody's "fault," but it is your responsibility.

On your "photo" thread, you posted that you thought about taking photos of your ex to the firing range, to use for target practice.  I imagine you considered this to be an offhand, innocent comment.  How do you think a woman takes it when she hears something like that?  Because, believe me, ladies don't miss that stuff.

Age has very little to do with it.  Maturity has a lot to do with it.  Someone looking at you as a potential partner is going to ask yourself, "How will this guy react if the world hands us an emotional punch in the gut?  Will he stand tall like an adult and work through it, or will he cry like a child and run away?"

My suggestion: project the positive things you gained from your previous relationships, and save the bitterness for when someone truly interested in you knows you in real life, and can help you work through whatever crap is left over from the past -- after you have developed a basis of mutual respect and affection.


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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 4:46:14 PM   
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quote:

Ok people Im the chosen GOOD one. Celeres what does age have to do with being good or bad?



***Warning, this is what I personally believe and have experienced. Please feel free to disagree with me as my "opinions" and views are as fluid as water. I'm highly receptive of other view points, but in doing so, please respect that I have my own that may differ from yours. Agree to disagree.***

In this ever so "progressing" social "norm" world, often (at least in Developed/First World/whatever you like to call it Counties) require a college education to have some sort of fighting chance in the current globalized economy. Sure, some may say "if the submissive is a 'pure heart' then college and a job would not matter because the Dominant will take care of it." Sadly, (hate to rain on people's parades), we do NOT live in a perfect world. [[you may skip ahead to my MAIN POINT if you’d like, but I like to give some background info first]]    This is not to say that a "fresh" and young 18 year old (or younger S&M couples—legally in different states, if both parties are under 18) do not live long and happy lives together. However, I find that there's a slight problem with an 18 year old and a 35 year old. Sure things may appear to work out, and if the two of them are genuinely happy, what's the problem? Call me a pragmatist, or realist, or just a pessimist, but 15-20 years down the line, the sub will be almost 40 and the dominant will be almost 60. Thanks to Viagra, a person can remain sexually active for a good long time but studies have shown that sex drive is certainly lower.

I know there are people out there fuming at me right now, but please, bear with me. It is not a matter of age but social disposition. Generally speaking an 18 year old has just graduated from High School, and generally speaking, a Dominant would have a fairly steady income to be able to afford a D/s lifestyle. I personally imagine that a D/s relationship after 10 years or so, the center-attraction will no longer be sexual release, but a long-term bond both emotionally and mentally (which is the true goal of a successful D/s relationship) in my opinion. So if that's the case, that is awesome. Statistically speaking however, how many married couples stay together in this day and age?

Can anyone say divorce? What happens if 10 years down the line, the Dominant is "tired" or bored of the submissive? What are they to do now? No education, no "real" work experience besides servicing a Dominant. Should they go back to school? If so, how do they pay for it? FinAid?—(which is dwindling thanks to President George W. Bush for bankrolling our War in Iraq by just printing new bills). [But that’s another discussion that I would happily argue in another thread if you so choose to].   There are many other things that I can point to that say a college education is necessary (if nothing else as “insurance” for one’s future).   So, here is my MAIN POINT.  To do well in “life” or to have a fighting chance, regardless what kind of kinks one is into, must be able to find a job that is “socially” acceptable (vanilla). In order to find a job in such competitive market would mean to have some sort of advantage over the other competitors.   Now after I’ve drive the idea that college is important… I shall say this. Would a 25 year old who has a pretty “regular” schedule of work and free time be able to spend more time with a Dominant, or a 20 year old who is juggling school, afterschool study sessions, part-time job, social gatherings (to appear social and make friends). Time is very limited to maybe a couple hours a week (or someone taking less courses) a day or two to “play” and to show their submission. Whereas the submissive with a regular routine, can offer every evening and all their days off.   So in summation, it is not so much a matter of age, it is our extremely busy schedules that make us seem “lazy” or that our “hearts aren’t in the ‘right’ place.” There are so many kind spirited, young individuals who need to work part-time and need to take 4-5 classes just to graduate in those 4 years. The average college graduation period is now 4.5-5 years. FinAid (esp in CA) is only good for 4 years. After that, you are on your own, no more grants, just more and more loans.   So, it is just a matter of practicality. Most Dominants are older in age. Those 18-19 year old “rent-a-Dommes” are just looking for someone to help subsidize their expensive tastes while going to college. (This isn’t to say all “younger” people are like that, as I have made many, many genuine Dominants who are young and very, very attractive). But by and large, we are a rare commodity.   I am often lumped into the group of people who are “only interested in kinky sex” because my current age is the “peak” of my sexual awareness. However, my over-active sexual drive should be used for more intense TD/OD “training”    But I digress, it is not a matter of age, but the busy schedule of those in college who are frowned upon for not being “able” to dedicate more time for the entertainment/enjoyment of the Dominant.   A “good one” is only a diamond in the rough. It takes a highly skilled eye to find a “good” submissive. But since diamonds in the rough look just like all the other rocks scattered around, we are usually “gleaned over” for those who may “seem” better, but turn out to be just plain, dull, rocks looking for that quick one-night stand: thus further alienating our social group as a whole.   *hides behind a boulder* now let the disagreements, and rotten fruit throwing commence!   Again, this is just how I feel and what I’ve personally experienced. I do not believe my opinion is a “one-size fits all” for everyone’s relationship. At the end of the day, we are all unique and thus the relationships that we do foster are all different from one another. Even twins have different tastes in ice cream or colors, why are D/s couples any different?

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 4:48:03 PM   
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LOL!  I wasn't offended by that comment.  I'm of the oppion that all ex's are assholes.  If they weren't, they wouldn't be Ex's!  *shrug*

Are you old enough to remember the "Baby On Board" caution signs that people stuck in their car windows?  I had one that said "Ex Husband in Trunk"... and drove that car to a club meeting where my Ex was in attendance.  Some of my friends pointed to the sign and said "Don't you think Danny will be offended by that?"  I said "I sure hope so!"


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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 5:01:02 PM   
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quote:

It is not the fault of Dommes you have never met that you created a "bad" relationship for yourself and another person. Probably it is nobody's "fault," but it is your responsibility.

On your "photo" thread, you posted that you thought about taking photos of your ex to the firing range, to use for target practice. I imagine you considered this to be an offhand, innocent comment. How do you think a woman takes it when she hears something like that? Because, believe me, ladies don't miss that stuff.


I do not blame "Dommes" nor myself. It is my responsibility. My intentions were good humored because I was responding to a comment made before that. Things have to be taken into context. If someone would like to judge me or be prejudiced against a single, off-handed statement, then that is their perogative. I cannot control what someone else thinks about me. I can only hope that people are open-minded enough to really intellectually engage me in conversation. To find out what buttons to push. If you guys knew my ex, then perhaps you would understand my frustration with her. But this is not a forum for griping against our exes. That could be posted in a "Negative Expereices thread" =)

But again, I digress. I was not aware that I might have offended some with that comment in that other thread. I apologize if I have offended anyone.

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 5:12:41 PM   
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It is not the fault of Dommes you have never met that you created a "bad" relationship for yourself and another person. Probably it is nobody's "fault," but it is your responsibility.


Admittedly, a bit tired, I misread your statement. There are some very good Dommes on here, specificially those who take time out to help the younger subs here on the forums. I have enourmous respect and appreciation for everyone, EVERYONE who takes time out of their day to share their opinions to all the members of this community.

I am, however, referring to a minority (but are very vocal, thus appear to be in the majority) who use BDSM in a bad light, thus giving it a bad name. I am referring to those with no experience in "Financial Domination" besides the textbook definition and expect a $1,000 tribute for every 15 minutes of their "precious time" spent on takling to a lowly being such as a person who self-identifies as a "slave." Surely, there are certain people who "get off" on that, and I am in no ways trying to "hate" on them.

A very good example is GoddessMine who was on here very briefly before she pissed off the wrong people. D/s is about the sub offering something that is almost "priceless" (unless you would like to count abductions and indentured servants--true slavery without the kink) to a Dominant. Their mind body and soul. The best "housepet" known to humans because we have guilty, and we can comprehend politics and economics (complicated human interactions) but still devote their whole existence to the well-being and happiness of one (or group) of Dominants. (I'm trying to be as gender-neutral as possible).

It was not my intention of "balming" Dommes who are at fault, but merely stating that there are "good" and "bad" Dommes. Ones who know what they are doing and are comfortable with it, and those who take it by force because they believe ALL submissives/slaves are the same sub-human pieces of meat hanging around to be exploited.

Call me pessimistic, but I have met some very, VERY nice and well natured people, and good-light hearted Dommes and Doms who are truly helpful to all, even if the chemistry is not compatable. And again, I have the most respect for people who take the time to read other's opinions and engage in Intellectual Discourse. I do not mind admitting I am wrong, but I do enjoy a good conversation before conceding my positions.

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 5:18:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeres
A very good example is GoddessMine who was on here very briefly before she pissed off the wrong people.

Thanks for the response.  You know GoddessMine lost her vanilla job as a kindergarten teacher after she was outed by one of her paying clients?  It is true she was a CollarChat poster, but her collapse had nothing to do with her CM participation.


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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 6/5/2008 5:23:08 PM   
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quote:

Thanks for the response. You know GoddessMine lost her vanilla job as a kindergarten teacher after she was outed by one of her paying clients? It is true she was a CollarChat poster, but her collapse had nothing to do with her CM participation.


I wasn't aware she was outed by a paying client... it was pure coincidence that she used CM as one of many, many mediums. I know the school board had to react with all the fuss and drama that was brought onto the school itself, the IRS, the FBI... and the list goes on...

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 7/12/2008 6:00:40 PM   
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It's been a while. I find it takes a long time for me to be able to move on. Usually I have to know they have, and are in good hands before I can really even come to grips with it.

For me, I cannot serve to the best of my abilities unless my heart is engaged. My service is an emotional investment.

I'd like to think you can cut down on this revolving door by getting to know each other personally. Attempting to understand someone completely. It's all the normal relationship stuff that fosters that emotional investment, at least with someone who is truly submissive.


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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 7/12/2008 6:38:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsStarlett

quote:

ORIGINAL: Celeres




Whoa!  Had to go look.  22 is VERY much out of my age bracket.  My new toy is only 25, which sort of bothers me because he is younger than my oldest son.

I don't see where being a 22 year old male would be a hindrance unless you are looking for a much older Domme.  I doubt that I'm the only one who starts feeling like a "Cougar" when the young ones come knocking.

I guess at my age the "cougar" would actually be dead,but remove my age from the equation and Your just the sort of "cat" I am seeking...just saying from what I have gleaned

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 7/13/2008 1:44:22 AM   
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Move to meeting in real life faster.  I dislike online.  I know that no matter how long I spend online with someone that the first meeting will tell me if I am attracted.  I lose interest pretty quickly and stop talking to them.  Even though there was alot of interesting email.  It is not real.  That may be one of the reasons.  Another is that because this is an artificial medium, they have no loyalty to continue.  There is no emotional commitment in online, for me.



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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 7/13/2008 10:30:37 AM   
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~smiles~...well Ma'am, unfortunately, i can't agree that *all* the good ones are taken, since i am not taken. You are correct however, when chatting begins with One, certain things undoubtedly come between T/them, unless of course, T/they are B/both quite serious about pursueing a real life relationship.
  Also, let's not forget, those that disappear.......it's probably a good thing they do. i consider it a sign of fate when They do...and thank my lucky stars.

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 7/13/2008 10:38:30 AM   
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Move to meeting in real life faster.  I dislike online.  I know that no matter how long I spend online with someone that the first meeting will tell me if I am attracted.  I lose interest pretty quickly and stop talking to them.  Even though there was alot of interesting email.  It is not real.  That may be one of the reasons.  Another is that because this is an artificial medium, they have no loyalty to continue.  There is no emotional commitment in online, for me.



IMO online is solely to guage suitability,anything after that and You run the risk of interest fading...just my opinion

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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 7/14/2008 8:31:25 PM   
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Hello Ms Starlett

I now agree with you; because, I am now taken too.  Surely this makes your premise true!

Sincerely,
Mike
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RE: The 'Good Ones' are taken - 7/15/2008 4:23:28 AM   
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Excellent!  I now have my one favorite who is loyal and attentive.  All others will have to work extra hard to 'keep up' with my Westie.

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