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At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:12:03 PM   
LearningDom255


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I need help. Badly. I don't know what to do, nor do I know how to act. I want desperately to learn how to be a better Dom, and all my previous attempts have failed.

I am in love deeply with this one girl, who I let slip out of my hands because I was unable to perform my role as a Dom as well as my own annoying issues that I have. I can't even begin to describe how beautiful and meanigful she is to me. I desperately, desperately want to save this because she means more to me than any other girl in the world and rececently we have fought to a point to where she basically told me she was bored and lost interest.

What steps do I need to take to get her back? I can't stand not being without her. I want to be her one and only Dom, who supports her and loves her and gives her everything.

Maybe I'm confused, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, maybe I'm starting on the wrong foot. Who knows. What I do know is that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get back with this girl.

I want to be a Dom and I want to do it well.

Please help a newbie Dom out!!
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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:14:50 PM   
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What is lacking that she wasnt getting that has her bored and losing interest?
EVery one of us is dominant in a different way. what we do might not help what you need. You need to know what she need and wants before you can learn to provide it.


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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:20:11 PM   
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Much more info needed before We can even proffer suggestions that may or may not be useful. One thing I would say, is that starting from a position of such desperation isn't a good place for a Dom's mind to be, as it tips the control over to her side of the fence. How much do you even know about bdsm? About Domination and power exchange? About play? Where do you need to start? Give Us some more info so We might be helpful!

That said, congrats on your first post and welcome to the boards!
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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:20:57 PM   
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That's just it, she never would tell me what I was lacking, and it kept me guessing. It could of been anything. I tried to figure it out, but it's very difficult when they just won't tell you.

What's more, there was a noticible change in her behavior. She was into me hardcore and then all of a sudden she didn't want to talk to me. She just, lost interest, but I could never tell why. It confused me to no end, and still does as I try and piece together what I did wrong.

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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:23:52 PM   
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If she wont tell you, then there is nothing you can do. She is not interested and instead of being the bad guy, she s putting it on you to try and make you feel like you are the one lacking. And it is working, so it seems. Sometimes, it just isnt a match. If she doesnt want to tell you what you are missing, then theres eithe rnothing actually missing... or she doesnt actually know what she needs or wants. Either way, she doesnt want it with you. Time to cut loses , pick up the bruised ego and move on. She is manipulating you, and you are following her lead like a hungry puppy after a pork chop.

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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:24:42 PM   
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Ah, thanks for the welcome to the boards. I've been somewhat of a lurker lately to try and learn everything I can.

Yes, desperation isn't a good trait and I do seem to fall on it at times. It's because I worry that I'll lose her. Anyway, I know next to nothing about BDSM, so I guess I'm at fault for trying so hard without knowing much about it.

I really want to try and become a Dom, I know that my personality can be really too kind at times, but I know it's not about being super aggresive and dominant all the time, but maybe it is. I'm not really sure. I need any and all the help I can get.

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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:27:56 PM   
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She's given me hints on what she likes and doesn't like, but it's been in very small hints. She likes to be called names, degrading things, stuff like that. I can do that, but it seems to have no effect. It's like I crossed a point where she just didnt' care anymore, even though I can tell that there still might be a bit of want left in her.

Ugh, maybe you're right it could be that I'm just so bummed that she's lost interest and the fact that some other lucky guy is going to get her and treat her better is what really gets to me.

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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:33:46 PM   
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How many years have you been together? At least one?
Do you live together or co-habitate regularly?
Have you met her family and best friends?
Have you shared at least one deep, emotional turmoil and overcome it?
Is the love mutual, or is it infatuation? 
This isn't just a few month thing or an online romance, right?


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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:39:43 PM   
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Known each other for about 4 months, which I know isn't much at all, but we've talked more in the past so maybe 6 months or so? We used to talk daily and everything was fine.
Never have met her, nor her friends or family.
Yes, I have experienced one deep emotional turmoil, and we overcame it.
Orginally the love was mutual, but according to her now it's just me and somehow she just "lost interest"
Yes, we did meet online and I know that seems trivial but, I truly have feelings for this person and right now I'm feeling pretty crappy that I messed up this situation you know?


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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:41:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LearningDom255

Known each other for about 4 months, which I know isn't much at all, but we've talked more in the past so maybe 6 months or so? We used to talk daily and everything was fine.
Never have met her, nor her friends or family.
Yes, I have experienced one deep emotional turmoil, and we overcame it.
Orginally the love was mutual, but according to her now it's just me and somehow she just "lost interest"
Yes, we did meet online and I know that seems trivial but, I truly have feelings for this person and right now I'm feeling pretty crappy that I messed up this situation you know?





Sounds like infatuation. She's just not that into you.  You have to move on.  Four months is nothing.  The reasons she gave you are generic and vague - she lost interest in you and she wants to move on. You need to pick up and do the same and not waste so much emotional energy. 

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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:47:43 PM   
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quote:

AAkasha


You know, the more I think about it, the more you are right. I've been wasting so much emotional energy on this, I don't know why I can't just accept it and move on.

I guess I'll just give it time and maybe if she wants to talk again, who knows. I really appreciate all the quick replies and help, you all are great.

In the meantime, any suggestions of what I should be doing to improve my Dom, or rather "start" my Dom training?

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RE: At Wits End - 5/20/2008 11:48:46 PM   
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Do not fall for anyone you have only met online.

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RE: At Wits End - 5/21/2008 12:14:22 AM   
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What does the awaiting approval mean? 

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RE: At Wits End - 5/21/2008 12:15:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LearningDom255

She's given me hints on what she likes and doesn't like, but it's been in very small hints. She likes to be called names, degrading things, stuff like that. I can do that, but it seems to have no effect. It's like I crossed a point where she just didnt' care anymore, even though I can tell that there still might be a bit of want left in her.

Ugh, maybe you're right it could be that I'm just so bummed that she's lost interest and the fact that some other lucky guy is going to get her and treat her better is what really gets to me.


As the submissive, she HAS to tell you about her needs.  You can’t fulfill your role if you don’t know the lay of the land. 

Frankly, from what little you have said, it sounds like she has you jumping through hoops.  If I were you, I’d take what you already know and lead her there with you. 

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RE: At Wits End - 5/21/2008 12:21:51 AM   
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This isn't entirely in answer to the OP but he does raise something I find interesting. As a new sub, i met with a Dom, who is now my Sir, and i let Him guide me in how to be a good sub, i followed His lead, i submitted to His will, i made it my aim to please Him..... i'm not saying it was easy, but i only had to look up at Him, to listen to Him, to do what He asked.... my submission felt natural, i needed to obey Him....
But as a new Dom, how do you establish control and convey the feeling you have the experience to be dominant..... is it 90% bluffing, is it a personality thing - are you confident and sure of yourself anyway? Do you let a sub top from the bottom to tell you how to be a good Dom? I'd be interested to know what Doms thought of their first experience being dominant.....

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RE: At Wits End - 5/21/2008 12:22:02 AM   
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OK, 2 things OP. The first is READ and self-educate and the second is MEET REAL PEOPLE. Now I'll expand on that a bit:

Firstly, I don't entirely decry online experience as some here do ... for I started there Myself. And I learned quite a lot along the way too. However, some of what I learned is that eventually it palls ... and that's what has happened here. If there is no prospect of taking it to real time, sooner or later it just gets boring. It's not necessarily any specific fault of yours ... or hers ... more to do with the medium. It's a very limited form of communication compared to being together in the flesh. And before any of the longtime LDRs here start jumping on Me ... yes it IS possible to overcome the limitations of the medium but it takes a lot of effort on both sides to do so. Sounds like that was effort she wasn't willing to make. It's a better option to perhaps meet online and cover some of the basics together to determine "fit" ... then take it to a real meeting without too much delay. First meeting basically a safe vanilla date etc etc. Lots of threads on that around here.

However, you also owe it to yourself and any prospective sub to have some knowledge and understanding of what this is all about. This is not just words on a screen or even sounds in the silence ... bdsm touches some of the deepest darkest parts of someone's psyche. It is irresponsible to puddle about with someone's mind without being as aware as possible of what you are doing. So get reading! There are heaps of great books, most available from Amazon.com ... there have been lots of threads on those. Try the search function at the top of the screen, or hope that Our resident thread searcher, Lucky Albatross, will happen along and post all the links for you. There is also a lot of info on the internet, some good, some not so good, some downright shonky. It can take a bit of weeding out. I have a reading program I usually put new prospective subs through that covers the basics: safe calls, safe words, types of bdsm play, limits, punishment, subspace, sub drop, aftercare, sub frenzy etc. Dominants need to know just as much about all of these. If you'd like to know more about this information, message Me on the profiles side of CM. As a born teacher who gets a kick out of teaching, I am happy to help.

Now, to the second piece of advice. Books and articles are great, and can get you through the basics. But nothing beats meeting real people and seeing with your own eyes what this can look like in everyday flesh life. So google your area and see if you can find yourself a munch to attend. Perhaps do some reading first so you don't feel like a total novice klutz, then get yourself to a munch. This is just a social occasion (usually drinks or a meal) to meet other bdsmers. In the first instance, you aren't going there to search for a partner, you are going to just interact with others, and learn by experience and observation. So be happy to talk to Dom/mes, subs of both genders, switches ... whoever is there. Absorb. Be a sponge at first. Then you can begin to be discerning and work out what is "you" and what isn't, you will come to understand your chosen style of domination. Then you might just be ready to try finding a suitable sub!

So ... this is no magic quick fix! But then life is a journey ... so you've likely got some time to take your baby steps and grow!
Good luck
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RE: At Wits End - 5/21/2008 12:41:52 AM   
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I agree, I can see how it might have gotten boring for her since we couldn't really meet in the flesh. We were going to but I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon.

Thanks so very much for all the advice, I'm going to try and so what you all suggested. I really appreciate the help. 

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RE: At Wits End - 5/21/2008 1:23:20 AM   
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You have received some excellent advice, especially from Ma'am Jay.  I want to throw in a little addition.

Oh, before I forget, awaiting approval means that a poster is temporarily on a type of probation.  They were naughty in some of their prior comments, so the mods are watching them for a bit.

Back to the subject.  It's good that you want to learn more, and for some, the online thing can be a step in that direction.  Now, pay particular attention to the way I phrased that.  A step.  The thing is, even in an online relationship, there's still a physical person on the other side of it.  Sooner or later, what happens many times is that person's physical needs have to be addressed.  (And, no, for those of you waiting for it, there's no suggestion here about telling her to masterbate.)  Lacking that physical contact, can be a way to lose interest.  Especially if you don't know enough about how to mentally make her tick.

My next thoughts are really more centered on a question, rather than a comment.  If it weren't for this particular girl, would you still want to be a Dom?


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RE: At Wits End - 5/21/2008 1:31:10 AM   
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I had the same question LadyPact. OP, it sounds as if you fell for this girl and tried to become what you thought she wanted you to be. Not everyone is made to be dominant or submissive. It's not something that can simply be learned. It's an actually feeling, and one that usually stirs long before you actually falling for someone.

If you were doing this simply to "get the girl", it will not work out in the long term. It IS ok to not be into BDSM.

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RE: At Wits End - 5/21/2008 1:51:19 AM   
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So, I hate to sound cold, but here's my two bits.  She's done with you.  Get over it.  There are other women, other loves, and as much as it hurts now, you can't change her choice.  She's been clear in her avoidance of you that she doesn't want to be with you.  Pressing the issue isn't going to help, and is sort of stalkerish.  I know.  I've been there. 


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