Mercnbeth
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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
No big love for Obama here, I can simply see that McCain is one or more of the following:
1. fuck up
2. moron
3. lying sack of shit
4. hypocrite
SMC,
I'll agree with #4 and can provide evidence if necessary, and #3 won't generate any argument either.
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If I have to hold my nose and vote for somebody it's not going to be McCain unless it's the last nail in the coffin of "experiment Americana." Then maybe yes. As is, he just looks bad all the time. Check if you'd like - but I've been on record on CM a long time saying that Senator McCain was LEAST likely to get my support and/or vote.
That had no bearing on my response.
Most likely in the same old post, I noted my ambition to vote FOR a candidate; a change from the past 12 years. I had great hope initially that Senator Obama would be that candidate. Researching the details of his experience and his philosophy, as documented in his books - I find that impossible. Without the specific wording the concepts behind your items 3 and 4 would also apply to him.
Just this weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multi-billion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear waste cleanup; "Here's something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I'm not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don't know exactly what's going on there. Now, having said that, I promise you I'll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport."
You'd think considering he only has 2 years in the Senate he'd remember that he's voted on at least one defense authorization bill that addressed the "costs, schedules, and technical issues" dealing with the nation's most contaminated nuclear waste site.
Senator Obama's Senate voting record indicates policy and philosophy counter to the actions needed to put this country back on track. Any scrutiny to his campaign banner "Change" shows how hollow that promise is. Not one policy he is advocating, from Education to Iraq, represents change. More money to one, and quicker time period to the other - but change? Even his comparison to negotiating with Iran similar to President Kennedy's negotiations concerning Cuba leaves out a key point. President Kennedy did indeed negotiate, but he also had the navy surround the island and enforce a blockade. Did Senator Obama forget to mention that part of his plan or did he think that was/is unnecessary?
Which brings us to one of the problems, 'we the people' have to change. We are too quick to assume your points 1 and 2. People who get in a position to be in power at the national level are not "morons" or "fuck ups"; unless it suits their plausible denial-ability. To go with their massive egos, they are intelligent. They have also learned to use and manipulate the political system far beyond any accusation we collectively could construct. Any appearance of stupidity or error only means 'we the people' aren't privy to all the facts or the real story. Its no longer as simple as "follow the money". It's follow the power, follow the status quo, follow the likely long term result. Their comfort is obvious based upon little substance and detail behind their promises that they provide. Hell - we are no longer persistent in asking for, or requiring the details. "I'll work for the middle class~!" YEAH! Excuse me - detail "work" define "middle class". Maybe I'm a fool, but I think working people are better suited to handle their money than any government.
Senator McCain represents these problems in spades. His personal efforts in the Senate have insured that national politics for the 'common man/woman' in the US is out of reach. His entrenchment with PAC's goes far beyond his disassociation with any campaign contribution. PAC control of US politics is so deep that its relegated any person running against an incumbent irrelevant; except in those cases where the status quo has run its course and anther puppet for the PAC money comes in as a replacement.
All that said, should I not respect the office these men are campaigning, I'll move up my ambition to be an ex-patriot. For example; perhaps its my age, and/or upbringing, but as low as my opinion is of President Carter, I'd still stand, shake his hand, and thank him for his service to the country and consider it a privilege to have met him, a former President.
That was the point of my response to you. Look how you begin this post; "No big love for Obama here". Wouldn't it be nice to have a qualified candidate to support, vote for, and "love"? Consider that being FOR a candidate is a lot different than casting a vote against another. Maybe people here are too young to remember a time when that was possible.
I'll say again what I've been advocating for a long time - the only vote any of us 'peons' have is to vote 'NO' against any incumbent running for reelection at any level of government. That is the only message we can convey. However, I doubt the personal prejudice and, in some cases personal agendas, will allow many to actually do that, but its my opinion that it is the only power remaining with the people.
Sorry for the diatribe!
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