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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/23/2008 10:11:55 PM

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Mad, while I see some merit to what you say, the gas shortage in the 70s was a manufactured crisis. We were not short on anything except assholes delivering the gas to the pumps.
There is a correlation in the way that we are being raped at the pumps today. If it truly cost so much more to make a gallon of gas, the oil companies would not be setting yet another record level of profit. Another manufactured crisis? I believe so.

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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/23/2008 10:19:52 PM

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We may not have a viable replacement for petroleum products on the horizon, but ME crude oil isn't the only source of that. At some point, the price goes high enough that processing shale comes into play. Who do you suppose has the planet's biggest reserves of that? Here's hint, they also control the wheat and corn supply.

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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/23/2008 11:13:35 PM

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This is what the EXPERTS say:
"US margin rules of the government’s Commodity Futures Trading Commission allow speculators to buy a crude oil futures contract on the Nymex, by having to pay only 6% of the value of the contract. At today's price of $128 per barrel, that means a futures trader only has to put up about $8 for every barrel. He borrows the other $120. This extreme “leverage” of 16 to 1 helps drive prices to wildly unrealistic levels and offset bank losses in sub-prime and other disasters at the expense of the overall population. "
So, Arabs are not the curprits here.

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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/23/2008 11:22:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: awmslave

This is what the EXPERTS say:
"US margin rules of the government’s Commodity Futures Trading Commission allow speculators to buy a crude oil futures contract on the Nymex, by having to pay only 6% of the value of the contract. At today's price of $128 per barrel, that means a futures trader only has to put up about $8 for every barrel. He borrows the other $120. This extreme “leverage” of 16 to 1 helps drive prices to wildly unrealistic levels and offset bank losses in sub-prime and other disasters at the expense of the overall population. "
So, Arabs are not the curprits here.

Nor am I blaming them. The big oil companies are swindling this country blind. They will continue to do so until it becomes unprofitable. The outrageous oil prices in the fictitious oil shortage of the 70s went away when people began to find ways around it. This whole thing is a scam for profit for the oil companies.It is convenient for them to blame the Arab world.

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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/24/2008 4:51:29 AM

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Things are just starting to get bad to tell you the truth.

Shit still has not even hit the fan yet.

Things are going to get worse, and gas is going to go up even more, and I don't see it coming down any time in the near future.

Many of us have talked about this and seen it coming for almost a year.

Buckle up your seatbelts, it is going to be a bumpy ride.

Funny you think about Mad Max, I always fancied myself looking like Linda Hamilton {Sarah Conners} in the last scene from
"The Terminator". Remember when she leaves the gas station at the end, with the bandana on her head and someone says "There is a storm coming" and she says "I know", and drives off into the desert alone?---

------------------There is a storm coming----------------------

Ya Better believe it!!! Like Bob Dylan (SP) "You don't have to be a weather man to know which way the wind is blowing!

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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/24/2008 5:13:40 AM

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We may not have a viable replacement for petroleum products on the horizon, but ME crude oil isn't the only source of that. At some point, the price goes high enough that processing shale comes into play. Who do you suppose has the planet's biggest reserves of that? Here's hint, they also control the wheat and corn supply

Well I'd like to know when they plan on doing that, because it's supposed to be competitive when crude oil gets to $35/barrel. Since crude is well over that price now, we should be doing it. In addition to shale oil extraction, there is coal liquefaction which is supposed to be about the same cost as shale oil. We have the largest coal reserves in the world, and we still haven't got a substantial coal liquefacation infrastructure. South Africa produces a large amount of their liquid fuel from coal. I really don't understand why we aren't doing it. The plants for coal and shale oil are cheaper than ethanol plants to operate.

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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/24/2008 7:43:16 AM

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"Trying to build a civilization on the dead carcass of a previous era is not a viable solution...Now, extracting energy from the buring of ionized hydrogen... there you have something!" -Dr. Who

Silly place to get a quote, but it rings true... any fuel "solution" that depends on sucking a limited amount of sludge out of the ground is hardly a basis for a civilization. Electricity seems to be to obvious alternative, which can be supplied by any number of renewable sources. (Solar, wind, tidal, nuke...)

CA almost had the start of it, with their zero emissions legisslation. GM began selling electric cars. There was a market for it. But, they put pressure on the GOP governor, who struck it down. The automakers recalled all the electrics, and destroyed them. (Yeah, a great step forward for American industry... leading the world in solutions)

We should have been working on this (and in fact were working on this) back int he 70's. Then, Regan got in, he stopped the alternative energy research Carter began, and we continued blindly into the situation we're in today.

In other words, again, it's the GOP's fault.

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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/24/2008 9:44:05 AM

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While I have no documentation, I have heard and believe the whole situation is dubya's doing. Since before sale of American produced gas can be profitable, because of the great efficiency of the American workers (not), it will need to be at least $6/gallon. With a large amout of oil interests in Texas, this is our fearless leaders final flip-off to all us Americans he feels no longer like him, and his greedy attempt to line his pockets when he emerges from office Jan 9, 2009. Mark my words, by then, we WILL be paying well in excess of six bucks a gallon, and what happens after that....well, what do you think?

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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/24/2008 9:47:30 AM

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ugh, while i'm not a fan of "dubya", i'm not sure hurricanes, earthquakes, fishy home loans, or bad bubble gum are the fault of anyone. although i'll admit, he's probably guilty of being the cause of my bad hair days...

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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/31/2008 6:57:39 AM

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Seriously:

It's kind of starting here already. People are now siphoning gas from gas tanks here. So YES....I can see the revelence to Mad Max.

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RE: Is Mad Max becoming a reality? - 5/31/2008 7:55:36 AM

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Hey!......You should see how many guy's are buying up those '70's Aussie Ford Falcon's to convert into Mad Max Pursuit Specials repleat with dummy blower!!

http://www.madmaxmovies.com/

http://www.madmaxmovies.com/fanstuff/cars/index.html

http://www.lastinterceptor.com/ReplicaStats/PursuitSpecial/

http://www.mainforcepatrol.com/

Most of them are shipped to the states, so if the scenario that the OP mentioned ever comes to pass, don't be too surprised if you see Mad Max for real at the stop light!

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