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Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 6:29:21 AM   
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I have been in a relationship with my GF/Domme for the past year and a half.  It has been a long distance relationship for about 7 months now, and when we see eachother, she doesn't really ever get the desire to have a scene.  It always seems to be somethng that comes up, not feeling good, tired, too many other things to do, not the right time....  She has also expressed interest in taking on another boy.  I told her I wasn't comfortable with that and she agreed she wouldnt pursue it. 
What should I do?  It doesnt ever feel like she wants to play with me anymore.  There are times where I will suggest fetish play, and i get a reluctant acceptance. BDSM play has happened once in this two week trip and Im not sure she did it because she wanted to or because I finally said something about being neglected.  Before coming back into town she talked big about how much she wanted to play, things she wanted to do to me or with me, but they never seem to materialize.  I come visit her for two weeks at a time, and between these visits she usually comes to visit me for a week at a time.
I am at a loss and dont know what to do.  She never wants to play, but she still tells anyone who will listen that I am her boy and that we are in a bdsm relationship. I have been a devoted sub to her, and have dome all I can to talk to her about this, but she gets slightly defensive and just says I am wrong when I say she isnt interested in play.  I don't have anyone I can talk to about this stuff, so I would really appreciate some feedback.  Thank you.
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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 6:32:08 AM   
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Maybe she just's loves you?! 

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 6:34:27 AM   
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Or maybe she is seeing someone else on the side....



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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 6:35:57 AM   
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Not everyone who enjoys D/s relationships enjoys 'BDSM play'.  Perhaps she just wants the power dynamic.  Perhaps she has told you the truth and things have come up.  Perhaps she is telling you what you want to here so she can keep you.  There are many 'perhapses' (is that a word? it is now!) that can be given. 

The only way to really find out is to ask her.  Talk to her.  Find out what She wants.  If it isn't compatible with what you want you have a decision to make.

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 7:21:40 AM   
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I'm sorry, VTBoy, but I'm betting it is an unconscious reaction to the fact that you are now in a long-term relationship. Whether or not she and you and conscious of it, long-distance can strain any dynamic.

It sounds to me like she is denying her feelings about all of this and until she is willing and able to admit to her feelings, things will not change.

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 8:12:04 AM   
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It may just be a part of the ebb and flow of the relationship....If you care for her, just have patience.

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 8:19:16 AM   
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Its hard when you are older and in a relationship. Often it seems to get really vanilla unless extra steps are made. For instance if we eat too heavy,play doesnt happen. If i get upset about something,play doesnt happen. if someone is worn out from work, play doesnt happen. In that time we have a loving vanilla appearing relationship. It takes effort to do a scene that has to be prepared for. No steaks, light food, plenty of rest and not too late at night.

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 8:26:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VTBoy

I have been in a relationship with my GF/Domme for the past year and a half.  It has been a long distance relationship for about 7 months now, and when we see eachother, she doesn't really ever get the desire to have a scene.  It always seems to be somethng that comes up, not feeling good, tired, too many other things to do, not the right time.... 
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hello VTboy,

Wwe can all speculate on the why's she doesn't want to play, but the truth lies with her.
So ask her straight away.

What are you waiting for?

I wish you enough

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 9:00:35 AM   
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Maybe you both have different ideas about how often you should be playing?  This sounds a lot like an old married couple that never has sex - one person is frustrated and the other doesn't see where there's a problem. 

I'm not sure of the dynamics of your relationship, but I have experienced this on the top side.  Usually my feelings have been:
-It's all about the bottom, I'm not getting my needs met, but because I'm romantically entangled I do not know how to ask for what I need.
-Play is routine - a series of pushing the same bottoms to get the same reaction
-I'm feeling like the play is more important than my wishes
-I'm feeling in some way unattractive to the partner and it's diminishing my ability to feel in control

Just a few thoughts of things I've experienced myself in the past. 

What's gotten me out of the funk?
-Changing the rules of the relationship - a long renegotiation where I can address the unspoken problems
-More giving from the bottom and less taking
-New toys or new styles of play to try out
-Being recourted.  (IE having the partner go to the same lengths to gain and keep my attention as they did at the beginning of the relationship)

So on your end I'd ask:
-What are *you* doing differently now than at the beginning of the relationship?  Less adoration?  Are you comfortable in your relationship and have stopped trying as hard?  Bringing in another boy might be a way for her to get this need met because she's not getting it from you anymore. 

Assuming she's not having physical problems or other issues in her life that might diminish her desire, I'd also add that (imo) women often use sex for power.  Why would she use denial of play/sex to gain that power over you?  Why might she resort to that? Are you sure you are matched in terms of frequency of play? 

Ok, that was scattered, but some thoughts I was having before my coffee this morning.



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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 9:09:14 AM   
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normally I am a lurker, but I have to respond to this one.  I read on collarchat once a thread that ws titled "seducing her dominance" that really hit home with me. sometimes its easier to paly on line or on the phone than irl. I mean irl its MESSY. its one thing to say I tie you up and do this and this, when irl you have to get the rope and tie them and find something to tie it to etc. and the rp or phone call that lasts 10 minutes can be half an hour or more irl. When I meet my subs, I am sometimes way too tired to do all that scene stuff.  Sometimes it takes the whole weekend to satisfy me. 
I think she probably feels you are topping from the bottom, from what you said I would feel that way. Its not about you its about her and she probably thinks you always are judging her and have an agenda. No solutions really just a point a of view.

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 9:12:26 AM   
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VTBoy, trust your own feelings.  I'm sorry that you're having those issues with your Mistress but in the end only you know about that relationship and how the 2 of you relate to each other.  The only advice I could give you is to trust your instincts and try to be as open with Her as you can.  It sounds like you've tried but make sure to let Her know how you feel so that you both can try to work it out.

It's not worth a lot but my personal opinion is that YOUR feelings are the best gauge of what's happening with the relationship.  We're all pretty good at figuring out when something isn't right.  I think we're all wired that way.  Again, I'd suggest trusting your own instincts and feelings and moving forward from there. 

Listen to your heart.  It's rarely wrong. 

BTW, the long-distance thing is the greatest threat to ANY relationship.  I know that's hard as f*ck to keep going.  

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 10:33:07 AM   
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At those times....I just...continued to serve...her, in the ways that I could..
 
Stuffing my own wants/needs and desires was not always...easy..
 
Who said it was going to...be.
 
However, like any kind of relationship there has to be a give and take at times...its can`t always be...onesided...for...me.
 
The idea of going *back* and do what you were doing in the beginning..I agree with.
 
I see nothing wrong at times trying to seduce her to dominate...you <g>
 
When all else fails why...not.
 
Long distance can really suck...<spits>
 
Keep your chin up...

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 1:11:20 PM   
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VTBoy,

Perhaps my thoughts will come across abruptly and I apologize if they do.  It's also possible that my answer won't be popular.  At any rate, here is my answer to your OP.

Only your Domina can answer your question.  Ask her.  If she doesn't give an answer that you're comfortable with, consider whether your needs are being met.  Are you willing to continue the relationship as-is?  If not, break up with her and find someone who wants the same things you do.

I'll also answer your question by asking a question.  Do you want to be in a relationship with someone who doesn't desire you the way you need to be desired, someone who says one thing and does another (and is hence unreliable), and someone who continually bombards you with excuses?  You may be willing to live this way, but I can assure you that many would not be happy in this situation.

It's possible that your Domina is simply going through a difficult period in her life.  Thus, I encourage you to communicate, to find out what is going on, and, if appropriate, to be supportive.  For example, if your Domina's mother just died, it's not likely she'll be thinking about sex or play, and it's also possible that her feelings of bereavement may last a while.  Whatever the situation, only the two of you can decide whether it's possible to continue your fledgling, burgeoning, and now somewhat misfiring relationship.  Either of you, for whatever reasons, may decide not to continue.

It is often the case in BDSM that submissives are branded as badly behaved and undesirable if they express needs of their own.  Now it's true that expressing your needs in an inappropriate, disrespectful way isn't desirable.  However, you don't need to feel bad or guilty when you express your needs in a respectful, loving way.  When you do this, you're helping your Domina because she isn't a mind reader.  Likewise, if your needs aren't being met, it is important to communicate this in an appropriate, respectful way.  I don't know any Dominas who don't want to see their submissive(s) happy and fulfilled.  By communicating your needs and likes appropriately, you help your Domina by giving her tools to do just this.

If there's one thing I know about relationships, it's that communication and follow-through are essential, for all partners involved.  Neglect, inaction, lackadaisical behavior, and non-communication are killers for face-to-face relationships and they are especially so for long distance ones.  Whether owner/master, dominant, top, switch, bottom, submissive, or slave, kinky folk are just people underneath.  We all have our strong points and failings, and your Domina isn't exempt.  Thus, as I did above, I suggest respectfully communicating your concerns to your Domina.  Based on how the two of you feel about things, you can decide whether to continue the relationship.

In a longer established relationship, I'm inclined to think that ebbs and flows of desire aren't necessarily an indication of incompatibility.  However, in a relationship as new as yours, I encourage you to examine this with a more careful eye to compatibility.  From the OP, it seems your Domina isn't following through on her word, exhibits a lack of desire for you, and also has expressed interest in taking on another boy.  I'm not sure what the dynamics of your relationship are, but you referred to her as your girlfriend.  If the nature of your relationship is fairly monogamous (and even if it isn't), her behaviour may well indicate that she isn't as interested in you as you are in her.  In other words, she may well not be "the one".

joyinslavery encouraged you to communicate with your Domina and to listen to your inner voice.  I think this is excellent advice.  Ultimately, you are your own best gauge of what is happening in the relationship and of what fulfills you.  I've sometimes ignored my own misgivings about a relationship and have later almost always found that my inner voice was entirely correct.

khem gave excellent, contrasting perspective from a Domina's side of things.  As she suggested, on your end, it's wise to consider how you're treating your Domina.  Do you still romance her?  Are you always reliable and do you follow through on your word?  Do you seduce her dominance?  I love the expression "seduce her dominance" because it so accurately mirrors the dance between BDSM partners.  In my opinion, a more accurate way to describe this dance is to ask do you seduce each other?  Do you show your Domina that you are committed to her and to the relationship?  Are there any issues between the two of you or individual issues that are effecting your Domina's desire for you?  If you know of issues like this, these are the things I'd work on before expecting play and sex to get better / become more frequent.

To close this off, I'll end with the following thought.  Just as with face-to-face relationships, long distance relationships sometimes flourish and other times fizzle.  Ultimately, based on what you know of your relationship, you'll have to decide what approach is best to take.  It may be that this is salvageable, however, the relationship might well be over already.  Keep an open mind, communicate, be understanding and supportive of your Domina but at the same time recognize that both your needs must be met for the relationship to remain healthy, and use your inner voice to guide you.

Good luck,

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 2:07:06 PM   
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ThundersCry,

quote:

At those times... I just... continued to serve... her, in the ways that I could...

Stuffing my own wants/needs and desires was not always... easy...

Who said it was going to... be.

(snip)

The idea of going *back* and do what you were doing in the beginning... I agree with.

I see nothing wrong at times trying to seduce her to dominate... you <g>

When all else fails why... not.


I'll answer the question "why not" by quoting you again.  As follows:

quote:

However, like any kind of relationship there has to be a give and take at times... it can't always be... onesided... for... me.


Exactly.  At times, submissives, just like all people, must decide whether they are happy in their relationships.  When supporting my Domina's needs exclusively is momentarily more important for her health and for the health of our relationship, I'm all for putting my own needs, wants, and desires on hold.  However, it sure helps when the Domina communicates her need for assistance.  Sometimes I can figure this out intuitively and I do my best to do so.  But hey, just as I know my Domina isn't a mind reader, I'm not a mind reader either.

Short of my Domina becoming sick and/or incarcerated (which, to me, invokes an entirely different mindset), there comes a point where if my needs are constantly ignored and neglected, I'll communicate and simultaneously re-evaluate the relationship.  I'll try to understand my partner's needs and feelings, and find mutual resolve where we are both fulfilled.  However, if my needs continue to be neglected, eventually I throw in the towel.  I see no point in prioritizing and investing in someone's happiness when they are not interested (or incapable of investing) in my own happiness.  This may sound terribly selfish, but it's not as self-focused as it initially appears.  Ultimately, I cannot contribute to my partner's happiness when I'm extremely unhappy myself.  Thus, in the spirit of submission and providing service, sometimes the best service a submissive can provide, for their Domina and for themselves, is to call it quits.

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/24/2008 4:50:09 PM   
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Good post...Thanks
 
I don`t see it at all...as...selfish.
 
Selflessness goes beyound human nature for the most part...Seems for the most part the world is full of people who constantly appear to think...* its all about me*...People want to take and take and take more...sometimes the bleeding has to stop.
 
My pattern for years was just to hang in...there, way beyound when any type of loyalty was deserving...
 
The concept of putting someone elses needs/wants and desires was foreign to me most of my....life.  <grins>
 
It was not until I put a name to *this* and put myself in a postion where I was going to have to do that did it make any sense. I followed on *blind faith* in the beginning...
 
With the right partner, what I found out was my wants/needs/desires were usually met 10 fold...
 
Amazing...
 
However...at some point it was time to walk away and move...on.
 
Thanks for your insight and input..
 
<flips you the...peace sign>

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/25/2008 6:00:03 AM   
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i agree with the previous advice  ask her what she wants how she feels talk about the relationship discuss what is and isn't working. this is the only way that you will learn what she wants and needs. it may be that the relationship dynamic needs clarification/reafirmamment.

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/25/2008 6:21:13 AM   
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OP, another aspect to consider as a possibility is that with you two being in a long distance relationship she may have started feeling like she's getting BDSM bootycalled when you visit or feeling pressure from you to perform when you two visit, which may be turning her enthusiasm off.

If so, she may be right and you may want to look at how realistic for your two's situation expecting her to be up for scening is.  Have you tried the route of backing off on the BDSM desires and just letting her lead, enjoy the D/s structure alone until she feels an urge to play?  If so, how long did it take her?

Also, being a long time in a long-distance relationship can take the spark out of things a lot of times and it also makes it so that she can't simply play with you when she naturally may feel energized for it.  I know that for me, play is very mood and situation-based... I can be drooling over the idea of a scene one day or inspired for play by something another does, then the next day feel little to no interest.  If you two can't just get together whenever the mood or thought naturally comes, she may very well still want to play but your visits don't line up when that desire is there. 

It could be just about anything, there are endless reasons why someone would slow down or stop on play.

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/25/2008 6:51:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued
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However, like any kind of relationship there has to be a give and take at times... it can't always be... onesided... for... me.


Exactly.  At times, submissives, just like all people, must decide whether they are happy in their relationships. 



That is only partially true. When our first question in a relationships is, "Am I happy", we'll be very quick to end the relationship. Every relationship, be it parent child, friendship, co worker, lover etc, there will be times when we're not happy--times when the relationship is irritating, boring, frustrating etc. If we've made a commitment and if we think the person is worth it, we work through those times. And if we're not willing to work through those times in one relationship, we won't do it in the next or the next and will put ourselves on an unending circle that never leads to the transitory emotion of "happiness".

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/25/2008 7:11:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Its hard when you are older and in a relationship. Often it seems to get really vanilla unless extra steps are made. For instance if we eat too heavy,play doesnt happen. If i get upset about something,play doesnt happen. if someone is worn out from work, play doesnt happen. In that time we have a loving vanilla appearing relationship. It takes effort to do a scene that has to be prepared for. No steaks, light food, plenty of rest and not too late at night.


I think luciouslips' has a good point.  Scening takes effort and being in the right mood.  For some, it's just more fun talking about it than really doing it.

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RE: Why won't she play anymore? - 5/25/2008 7:38:18 AM   
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Perhaps she suffers from undiagnosed depression which affects her behavior and motivation.  In any case, communication is a must here.

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