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JohnSteed1967 -> Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 6:41:45 AM)
Just had to use the Iron Maiden Reference, but I just got finished reading an article that states more people are going "Survivalist" than ever before. They are stocking up on guns and food and eating locally grown foods, etc. Because they are expecting the economy to go belly up and there to be marauding bands like something out of Mad Max. I keep swords and daggers handy for personal protection, (No brady bill, no waiting period) But my question is: Do you feel we are heading towards "Thunderdome" are we heading to a lawless society where people will do anything to get something to make them go? OR do you believe, as I do that once Bush is removed from office that things will change and will with in a reasonable period revert to atleast semi normal

orfunboi -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 7:01:30 AM)
Less than a year and your worries will be over. Bush will be gone and the world will be so much better, because we all know everything bad in the US today is Bush's fault. He created terrorism...there were no terrorists before Bush and when he is gone, they will all throw down their bombs and live in peace and harmony. There will be no more high gas prices....Everyone knows the only reason gas is so high, is because of Bush. The unemplyment rate will drop...Who wants to hire people when Bush is in office, when he leaves jobs will open up all over and people will get really big raises. Those who live in poverty now, will see how much more they have when he leaves office because he....well I am not sure how he did it, but we all know it's his fault there are poor people in the world. I can hardly wait

MladyHathor -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 7:02:02 AM)
*Change must begin within, if we wait for a governmental mandate, we will indeed start imploding---we continue to foolishly look for an economic savior when salvation starts within, IMHO.*

camille65 -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 7:02:41 AM)
The latter. I don't think everything is hopeless. Sometimes it feels hopeless but I don't think it really is.

Irishknight -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 7:16:31 AM)
I read the same article. It looks like any one of a dozen similar ones I've seen through the years. And, things won't change just because Bush is out of office. The jerkoffs in congress who enable this crap while blaming the president will still be there. I am really starting to think seriously about merc's idea of voting out all who currently hold office

LadyRainfire -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 7:31:14 AM)
I admit that I'm the kind of person that stocks a lot of food up, canned, preserved, some frozen, you name it. But that's the way I was raised, I'm an ol' country gal who's family is literally depression-era redneck, hillbilly, country bumbkin farmers. We hunt, fish and raise our own gardens. To this day I put up 75-150 quarts of fruit or veggies (I used to do about 300-500 qts a year) and bake my own bread from scratch. Am I a survivalist? Naaaaa. I was just taught that some times things change and it's good to have the food on hand. I've helped people out in emergencies, people down on their luck, friends and family, food gift baskets for holidays, things like that. It's helped me out when money was tight and otherwise we wouldn't have anything to eat. I think it's just a matter of being prepared. If a nationwide emergency hits and the trucking system goes down, the supermarkets won't be able to get their shipments.Most markets get daily shipments. (I know because I have about 6 truck drivers in the immediate family, 2 which work for a major grocery chain and another 3 family members which also work for a major grocery chain.) [:D] But I'm still looking forward to Bush being out of office!!!

kiwisub12 -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 8:09:47 AM)
The sky is falling .... the sky is falling..... Its a fact that the sky is always falling - it must be a renewable resource because we haven't come to the end of the sky yet. [:D] Things are always going to go bad for someone, and the corrollery is that for some things are going to go well. I see nothing wrong with having food stores for a few weeks. It actually makes economic sense, in that if money is tight one week then you can eat. something i learnt as a starving student is that food is seldom wasted. Does it mean that civilisation as we know it is going belly up. No, i don't think so, there are enough hard working people that are (fairly) fiscally conservative that society is stable.(ish). I'm not sure that in the long view that who is president has a whole lot of impact on the day-to-day lives of the average joe. I think there is enough buerocracy to cushion decisions before they reach our level, that presidential decisions are muted, or watered down. Anyway, i haven't gone out and bought my crazy looking vehicle and strange headrest and chain maille vest yet. Though the chainmaille vest might be a nice idea -lol.

Alumbrado -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 8:13:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnSteed1967 Just had to use the Iron Maiden Reference, but I just got finished reading an article that states more people are going "Survivalist" than ever before. They are stocking up on guns and food and eating locally grown foods, etc. Because they are expecting the economy to go belly up and there to be marauding bands like something out of Mad Max. I keep swords and daggers handy for personal protection, (No brady bill, no waiting period) But my question is: Do you feel we are heading towards "Thunderdome" are we heading to a lawless society where people will do anything to get something to make them go? OR do you believe, as I do that once Bush is removed from office that things will change and will with in a reasonable period revert to atleast semi normal I think the media is too lazy to do any work, and has started recycling old stories.... these stockpiling ones appear to be from ohhhhh about 1999...

lronitulstahp -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 1:17:56 PM)
quote: these stockpiling ones appear to be from ohhhhh about 1999 my thoughts exactly, and it was a damned nightmare getting rid of all those canned goods and drinking all that water last time!!! i still have camping equipment stored in boxes. Listen media, fool me once...well you know!

LondonArt -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 1:49:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnSteed1967 I keep swords and daggers handy for personal protection, (No brady bill, no waiting period) No waiting period... but practically no use either.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 2:04:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LondonArt quote: ORIGINAL: JohnSteed1967 I keep swords and daggers handy for personal protection, (No brady bill, no waiting period) No waiting period... but practically no use either. A sharp knife, properly used, is far more useful....and far more deadly....than a gun. Knives don't run out of ammunition, don't jam, and can be sharpened to a useful edge on practically any flat stone. They can be used to make spears and other hunting implements, rig traps, and provide any number of handy tools for survival. A sharp knife will let you kill hostiles with a minimum of noise (very handy for not drawing other hostiles to your location). You want to conquer, carry a gun. You want to live, carry a knife.

AquaticSub -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 2:09:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: LondonArt quote: ORIGINAL: JohnSteed1967 I keep swords and daggers handy for personal protection, (No brady bill, no waiting period) No waiting period... but practically no use either. A sharp knife, properly used, is far more useful....and far more deadly....than a gun. Knives don't run out of ammunition, don't jam, and can be sharpened to a useful edge on practically any flat stone. They can be used to make spears and other hunting implements, rig traps, and provide any number of handy tools for survival. A sharp knife will let you kill hostiles with a minimum of noise (very handy for not drawing other hostiles to your location). You want to conquer, carry a gun. You want to live, carry a knife. I'm with Celtic. Once you run out of ammo you can beat someone with a gun or throw it. They have their place but they are not superior.

LondonArt -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 2:17:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: LondonArt quote: ORIGINAL: JohnSteed1967 I keep swords and daggers handy for personal protection, (No brady bill, no waiting period) No waiting period... but practically no use either. A sharp knife, properly used, is far more useful....and far more deadly....than a gun. Knives don't run out of ammunition, don't jam, and can be sharpened to a useful edge on practically any flat stone. They can be used to make spears and other hunting implements, rig traps, and provide any number of handy tools for survival. A sharp knife will let you kill hostiles with a minimum of noise (very handy for not drawing other hostiles to your location). You want to conquer, carry a gun. You want to live, carry a knife. Yes but when someone breaks into your home and shoots you from the doorway with their limited ammunition while you're drawing your shiny sword, that pointy bit of metal is going to seem much less useful. For self-defense purposes a knife is a horrible idea, unless you happen to be an urban ninja, or prone to pre-emptive strikes against anyone who might possibly be armed.

phoenixinchains -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 2:21:48 PM)
As for the state of the world and Mad Max,,, who can say. Master is having to go away soon for a year, and i'm going to live on Our land in the sticks. i always have a knife on me, even in the library. Because of Master's teaching, i can use this knife. But still, when i return to Our land, He wants me to have a gun because He doesn't think i should knife fight with a snake or wild boar...

AquaticSub -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 2:27:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LondonArt Yes but when someone breaks into your home and shoots you from the doorway with their limited ammunition while you're drawing your shiny sword, that pointy bit of metal is going to seem much less useful. For self-defense purposes a knife is a horrible idea, unless you happen to be an urban ninja, or prone to pre-emptive strikes against anyone who might possibly be armed. And once you run out of ammo you'll be in a worse position than if you realized that both are useful. In a situation like the OP is talking about, I'd consider anyone who armed themselves with a gun only to be an idiot. You will run out of ammo eventually and a good knife is still very up there on the survival tool lists. All things considered, I'd rather have the knife which I can use to skin, prepare meat, make arrows, spears, defend myself, cut hide to make clothing, blankets, etc than something with only a few uses and once I'm out of bullets or it jams I'm fucked.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 2:29:22 PM)
quote: Yes but when someone breaks into your home and shoots you from the doorway with their limited ammunition while you're drawing your shiny sword, that pointy bit of metal is going to seem much less useful. For self-defense purposes a knife is a horrible idea, unless you happen to be an urban ninja, or prone to pre-emptive strikes against anyone who might possibly be armed. You seriously believe self-defense is a matter of which weapon you have? That is your error. Self-defense is a matter of mind, not metal.

DomAviator -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 2:31:42 PM)
I think that survivalism is critically important, and not just for armageddon. I carry survival kits in all vehicles and am WELL equipped in my house.Sliding off the Thruway between Buffalo and Batavia during a lake effect snowstorm can leave you just as dead in the morning as a nuclear holocaust! I am prepared for just about anything... Ive got potassium iodide, a dosimeter, scintiallation counter, respirators, tyvek coveralls, and decon supplies in case something happened at the South Texas Project nuclear plant or there was a dirty bomb attack. Ive got a complete medical kit - including IV's, intubation supplies, oxygen, and a LifePak5 monitor/defib and the knowledge to use it. (Join the volunteer fire dept and you too can get a free paramedic course :) I've even got atropine to inject in the event of a nerve gas attack (or more likely an organophosphate poision leak from one of the refineries / petrochemical plants) I can hold my own through almost everything and if need be I have a bug out plan and the tools, supplies, and know how to egress from just about anything. As I mentioned in another thread I even have an aircraft transciever and smoke flare to contact and signal a helicopter. No waiting three days for me. The Coast Guard would have me off the roof in 20 minutes... (and dont think for a moment that the guy who is contacting them on 243.0 and using proper military SAR terminology and techniques isn't getting preferential pickup. The pilots will fly by 1000 waving screaming people to pick up one of their own! The rescue swimmers like the ones they dont have to get wet for. LOL) That was a huge part of the Katrina problem. If a hurricane of equal devastation were to hit Houston I would NOT be in the plight of those people because I am prepared. In fact, I am probably better prepared than the first FEMA/ Red Cross units in. Ive got plywood, nails, barbed wire, tools, tarps, food, water, water purification, etc... Pretty much all of my neighbors (mostly current or ex-military pilots or survival trained merchant sailors) are equally prepared. If Katrina were to hit my neigbhorhood, we would have security, emergency power, potable water, sanitation, medical care etc immediately and we would be out cleaning up debris and fixing our landscaping before the unprepared got their first meal... Then again my neighborhood is full of civic minded people, volunteer fire / ems / police, who would pull together instead of rioting or looting and we invested in preparedness instead of relying on the govt. Dont knock survivalism - all it takes is one storm, industrial accident, terrorist attack, or unexpected incident and the average american is 100% throughly fucked.

Irishknight -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 2:37:27 PM)
A police officer once showed me a study that showed the true danger of a man with a knife. A man with a knife in a close quarters situation has an amazing chance to cross the room before an average shot can hit him. Even trained professionals in the study got "stabbed" 1 out of 3 times. As for drawing a sword, 1/2 of mine are already out of the scabbard so its only a matter of grabbing one. I would still rather use my pistol or shotgun first but I can still do quite nicely with a sword.

DomAviator -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 2:37:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 You seriously believe self-defense is a matter of which weapon you have? That is your error. Self-defense is a matter of mind, not metal. Celtic, thats a bit on the absurd side. OK I mean in all seriousness few people can fight effectively with an edged weapon and it requires you to get up close and personal. TOO close. The weapon certainly does matter. Give a Navy SEAL a kbar and have him run towards a 95 pound 16 year old girl with a 20 ga full of buckshot and see who wins... Firearms extend your reach... Case in point, thats why I have the 308 with the night scope. If a Katrina situation erupted, I could drop looters in the wire BEFORE they even made it onto my lawn... try that with a knife or sword.

Bethnai -> RE: Run for the hills..Run for your life.... (5/25/2008 2:38:11 PM)
Well, I was hoping this was an Iron Maiden thread. I don't expect it to be Mad Max at the moment or within the next 5 years. I do think that we desperately need a new industry ( a new technology) and I think its going to get worse before it gets better. In the area that I live I suspect the steel industry to callapse even further and Ford will give its last breath within 10-20 years. I expect retailers to be hit really hard and many of those places will fold in this area. I don't think that a change of presidents is going to change that immediately. Grocery stores are still going to rely on machines to check out. Customer service jobs are not coming back. The internet boom of the 90's is not coming back. And there isn't anything to replace the jobs that will be lost, retraining another couple thousand in airconditioning in this area is just well, frankly stupid. We seem to have a surplus. I'm not a survivalist.But, If I'm going to die then I'll die with my boots on. Preferably the cute pink ones. We already have bands of lawless people, they just happened to have laws to encourage lawlessness. If I have to pick a landscape in an imaginary future, I'd like Gor please.

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