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Owning your body and BDsM - 10/24/2005 12:30:27 PM   
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In my sobriety I have started to come into my body and own it. This was a conversation I had with someone.

“How does "Well thanks to Kelly I gained a new respect for my body" make sense? How did she do that?”
When Kelly and I were dating she was intensely reserved about her body, and it took her a while for her to allow me to touch her. She was and to my knowledge is still a virgin. We were talking about her body, and she explained to me that no one was allowed to have her body unless she let them, and she wanted to share it. At one point in a relationship she had, she was pressured into doing something she didn’t want to do. Her body enjoyed it, and took over during the act, but after, she was angry at the woman. She had said that she really didn’t want to have done what she had done. This struck home for me. She was adamant about the fact that she only wants to share her body with someone she fully trusts and truly loves. She felt her body was a precious gift. I never really ever (until now) had seen it this way.

“Why did you think that: “I always thought that my body was here to serve other peoples desires"?
Kelly’s respect for her body really got me thinking about how I gave my body to anyone who wanted it, or made me feel sexy. It made me realize that everyone up to that point I had had sex with, I had felt a certain obligation to please them with my body…either giving or receiving. I was conditioned at a young age, by Him to believe that my body was here to please others. Letting other people have my body to satiate their desires was the only thing I knew. It was also the only way that made me feel worthy of the space that I took up.
I guess I felt that I almost had to get approval or permission to take up the space that I occupied. Now that I see this I realize that this was one of the reasons I have an eating disorder (I say ‘have’, because once one has an addiction they will always have it. The only difference is if one is in recovery or not.) I gave my body to who wanted it, or to who I wanted to care about me. I now look back on it, and I realize that up until recently I had never made the conscious CHOICE to SHARE my body with someone I loved. I never had shared my body before, I always gave it away. This doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy my sexual encounters…I did…very much. But the notion that I was able to CHOSE to share my body, and have no obligation to please was foreign to me. Though it was new and scary, I like it, and now I live by it.

“Why on all things that are holy in heaven, did you before think that it wasn't your choice to be with whom you chose, and that you're merely here for others people's pleasure?”
I think that this was because of what my father did to me. As a young child I had my first sexual experience, and it was imprinted in my mind that sex was about other peoples pleasure, not my own. When I consensually started to be sexually active I learned to feel pleasure myself. I have always had an odd conception of sexual pleasure. Ever since I can remember I have masturbated. My sister informed me that when I was living with her at the age of 3 I incessantly masturbated. Apparently it is common is survivors. Before I learned the term ‘masturbating’ I called it ‘Ahh babying’. This was not an ahhh from my mouth. As far back as I remember, I have experienced orgasms, and I enjoyed them. However up until recently I never really owned them. It seems to me the fact that I never owned my own pleasure let me to not be able (notice I don’t say ‘want’) to chose.

With the new perception of body and commensality and love, and self respect, I recently entered a relationship with Bridget. She had very simaler view and beliefs about sex as Kelly. I am absolutely am completely and utterly in love with Bridget. I would do anything for her. In some ways I love her more than I have loved anybody, and that is scary to me! I have given her everything I have. But the difference between her and anyone else I have loved (even Heidi) was that I had never made the CHOICE to give myself to someone. When I chose to give Bridget my body for the first time, it was a very different experience than I have ever had. As she put it, ‘I am the first person to ever take your soul’ and I WANTED to her to have it. I CHOOSE to give that gift to her, and I am blessed with the fact that she let me take her body, and more importantly her soul as well. Thank you My Love.

With that information I am wondering how BDsM fits in with owning your body. I am coming into my body doesnt mean I am going to discard what has satified me for so long. I am just now needing to re-define my beliefs around D/s. How is it possible to own your body and CHOSE to SHARE your body and mind and wanting to, and pleasing your dom/mes desires, as well as your own. I get incrediblly happy when I am pleasureing someone else and know it it because of me. How is is possible to own my plesure and also own my body in this situation and others?
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RE: Owning your body and BDsM - 10/24/2005 12:42:47 PM   
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With that information I am wondering how BDsM fits in with owning your body. I am coming into my body doesnt mean I am going to discard what has satified me for so long. I am just now needing to re-define my beliefs around D/s.

It's the same as spirituality really. They easily go hand in hand if you want it to, but there's nothing inherent in either of them that they have much to do with eachother otherwise.
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How is it possible to own your body and CHOSE to SHARE your body and mind and wanting to, and pleasing your dom/mes desires, as well as your own. I get incrediblly happy when I am pleasureing someone else and know it it because of me. How is is possible to own my plesure and also own my body in this situation and others?
A leathery hand and a lacy soul

Have you ever heard the proverb "You only truly own something if you can give it away"? There's a lot of truth in that.

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RE: Owning your body and BDsM - 10/24/2005 12:45:00 PM   
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for me i own my body, i decide who i will give it to and who i won't. before i get into a relationship with a person i find out if their ideas match my own. if their idea is to share my body with someone other than themselves...i know immediately this isn't the position i wish to be in so i wouldn't chose to give myself to them.

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RE: Owning your body and BDsM - 10/24/2005 1:00:20 PM   
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I talked to someone and they disagreed with you. “You only truly own something if you can give it away" and the opposite of that “ you cant give something if you dont own it” Which one do you think is true? or more true.

You said: "They easily go hand in hand if you want it to" How do you integrate these...theorectially and personally?

Thank you for your insights
A leathery hand and a lacy soul

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RE: Owning your body and BDsM - 10/24/2005 1:13:31 PM   
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You said: "They easily go hand in hand if you want it to" How do you integrate these...theorectially and personally?


They seem like they are saying the same thing to me- in order to truly own something, you must be able to give it away. In the act of giving it away, you show you own it.

It's only a proverb, it has its limitations and lacks universality.

Personally, as with spirituality, I am aware of my body and I try and enjoy it. Why else would I choose to inhabit a physical body unless it was to experience myself as a physical person? Giving myself is sacred on one level, and totally meaningless on another. As long as I remain true to myself, it doesn't matter whether I remain solitary without human touch for the rest of my life, or have a 50 person orgy every other Friday.

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RE: Owning your body and BDsM - 10/24/2005 1:20:09 PM   
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This is not ment to sound rude, but when you said "have 50 person orgy every other Friday" doesnt that take away the value of your body? "[your body is] totally meaningless on another" In a way I understand this because thats how I have live most of my life. However recent events as stated above have made me start to believe that my body is a santuary and it is to be pure and holy. What do you think about this?

I hope no offence was taken.
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RE: Owning your body and BDsM - 10/24/2005 1:23:49 PM   
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This is not ment to sound rude, but when you said "have 50 person orgy every other Friday" doesnt that take away the value of your body?

Uh no...why would it? It means I'm celebrating my body, wallowing in its pleasures and the pleasures I can give to others on a physical way. It means I share openly, it means I am doing what I choose to do.

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However recent events as stated above have made me start to believe that my body is a santuary and it is to be pure and holy. What do you think about this?

I think you are completely correct. How you choose to worship is your own choice. Puritans believed worship should be quiet and somber. Some modern christians believe worship should be loud, joyous, raucous and frenzied.

Who is better? Whose faith and loyalty is more valuable?

A woman who remains to be a virgin her entire life is no more pure or valued or worthy than a woman who has sex with three new people every night.

As long as you remain true to yourself, and enjoy as you wish to enjoy (whether it's immediate pleasure or ultimate pleasure), you are honoring yourself.

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RE: Owning your body and BDsM - 10/24/2005 1:29:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

A woman who remains to be a virgin her entire life is no more pure or valued or worthy than a woman who has sex with three new people every night.

As long as you remain true to yourself, and enjoy as you wish to enjoy (whether it's immediate pleasure or ultimate pleasure), you are honoring yourself.

Bravo Emerald - that is the most open minded conclusion I ever heard on that matter.

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RE: Owning your body and BDsM - 10/24/2005 1:44:57 PM   
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Hello There,
Much like you I was abused by my Dad, I've had many sexual partners & I had a need to be accepted.
I was raised Catholic. Believe me they drilled in your head that your body was your own and it was up to you to keep it clean as it's your temple. I've known other than non-consensual forcing, my choice was mine when it came to letting people into my body.
When it came to consensual sex I may have felt it polluted me at times it's still been my choice to share. The only time I felt like I had to submit to someone who I didn't want to have sex with was when I was raped.

I'm glad you've had your revelation and that you feel healthier practices are in store for you mentally and physically. You deserve that freedom & I'm sorry you didn't know it was there to be had before.

As far as submitting my body to my Master. Again for me it's my choice I made only after I trusted he would not take me for granted or abuse my servatude. I would suffer anything he thought I should, but again overall I know it's my choice.
If it ever got out of hand I still have the option to walk away. I've even told my Master before I took his training collar if he pulled some terrible Dr Jeckle/Mr Hyde deal on me I'd be gone so fast the curtains would be fluttering in his face before he realized I left as I will not tolerate intentional abuse in anger or drugs or drinking heavy in my home EVER!

I know it's my choice, it's weather or not I make healthy or un-healthy choices that have gotten me in trouble before.
Sincerely,
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RE: Owning your body and BDsM - 10/24/2005 1:49:10 PM   
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With the new perception of body and commensality and love, and self respect, I recently entered a relationship with Bridget. She had very simaler view and beliefs about sex as Kelly. I am absolutely am completely and utterly in love with Bridget. I would do anything for her. In some ways I love her more than I have loved anybody, and that is scary to me! I have given her everything I have. But the difference between her and anyone else I have loved (even Heidi) was that I had never made the CHOICE to give myself to someone. When I chose to give Bridget my body for the first time, it was a very different experience than I have ever had. As she put it, ‘I am the first person to ever take your soul’ and I WANTED to her to have it. I CHOOSE to give that gift to her, and I am blessed with the fact that she let me take her body, and more importantly her soul as well. Thank you My Love.

I would like to say that I have gone through simular experiences in my very young years and I also have been going through a simular experience with MsN.
For the first time in my life, I am owning my body and choosing to let MsN own it secondly and to place my trust in the fact that she will treasure and do everything in Her power to protect and respect all I have given Her of myself, my body included.

I relate to what a difference that makes to you, and the lesson's you have learned by growing through the process.


With that information I am wondering how BDsM fits in with owning your body. I am coming into my body doesnt mean I am going to discard what has satified me for so long. I am just now needing to re-define my beliefs around D/s. How is it possible to own your body and CHOSE to SHARE your body and mind and wanting to, and pleasing your dom/mes desires, as well as your own. I get incrediblly happy when I am pleasureing someone else and know it it because of me. How is is possible to own my plesure and also own my body in this situation and others?


I highlighted part of your first quote because in those words to me resides the answer you seek.

*Brightspot

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