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Hippiekinkster -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 4:24:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Pain free too? [:D] Regretfully not. That will be fixed in about 2 hours, though. [:o]

Level -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 4:26:15 AM)
Ah. Well, I hope so, then. I've had two back surgeries, but generally, don't have too much problems with it.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 4:33:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Ah. Well, I hope so, then. I've had two back surgeries, but generally, don't have too much problems with it. Thanks. Pee test today is the only reason right at this moment. Good your surgeries were successful. I've heard some horror stories and no fucking way unless the world runs out of drugs. BTW when I saw what I had written the other night I literally fell out of my chair (not so surprising, eh? [8D]) laughing. Had to post it for posterity. Hahaha Peace

MmeGigs -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 4:48:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Democrats dont do it so why should the Republicans? And there we have in a nutshell a big chunk of what is wrong with politics. "But they're doing it, too!" is sufficient excuse for just about anything, no matter which side of things you're on. If one of "Them" is caught lying or stealing or what have you, it's a terrible offense - an affront to the American people - they should be not just kicked out of office but probably hung in the town square! If one of "Us" is caught lying/stealing/etc., well, it's not any worse that what "They" are doing, and why does everyone pick on "Us"?? This shit isn't even high school - it's grade school. To quote pretty much everyone's mom - "If they all jumped off a cliff, would you jump, too?"

rulemylife -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 4:58:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: The error Obama made here is not a BIG one as you claim. Cyberdude didn't claim the gaffe was huge. He claimed it demonstrated a fundamental ignorance on Obama's part, and that it shows Obama's inability to effectively extemporize and think on his feet. Ironically, the excoriations Cyberdude has received for his own gaffes are a most effective proof of the fundamental correctness of his initial assertions. Don't know about excoriating him but you have to admit the irony is pretty damn funny.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 5:14:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 My dislike for him has to do with his radical left-wing ideology. And it took him 6 weeks to figure out how he's going to respond to the Wright scandal. First it was that Wright was that "crazy uncle." Then it was "I was never there where he made those statements." Then it was, "I was there but I dont agree with it." Yet in Obama's book he clearly states Wright's speeches were the source of his inspiration. Bill Clinton was right. This campaign is one gigantic fairy tale. And his wife is a victim of a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy by the radical left-wing to push the most radical and left wing person they can find. They not only want conservatives out of the government....they also want the moderates out. Have any of you ever gone to some of those blog sites and message boards? The stuff they say on those sites is damn near communist and that isn't an exaggeration! There is some really strange forces behind Obama. The establishment is behind him, the big rich socialists like George Soros is behind him, and an awful lot of money is behind him. If there was ever a Manchurian candidate...Obama is it! I mean it doesnt make any sense. This guy is clearly not qualified to be president. He's not even been in the Senate for a full term. He has no foreign policy experience. No one really knows how he really feels about anything. Seriously...why would anyone vote for this person? I think the Democrats have royally fucked up. A Hillary/Edwards ticket would have won an electoral sweep. Now we have to choose between pro-war McCain or a socialist/racist who hasnt a damn clue what he's doing. Great choice! Well now wait, George Bush had only one full term as Governor of Texas and look how well he's done.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 5:47:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig I suspect my view will not be popular, but I think the reason why so many in America find Obama scary is very simple....he is black It's not popular, but it is correct, Arpig. Sooooooooooo, let me see if I understand. If I don't support Obama I'm a racist. If I don't vote for Hillary I'm a misogynist. If I don't like McCain it's because I'm ageist. This election started off ok with people actually talking about the issues but it's going downhill really fast. But hell, it is entertaining and that's what American politics is all about! Almost as good as American Idol.

Irishknight -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 5:49:27 AM)
I think that pulling the "you don't like him because he's black" card had been overtried on these boards and by many of his supporters. In truth, it shows a deep down prejudice inside the accuser. If this is your true position, sit down and look deep into yourself and ask "Why would I jump to the bigotry garbage? Am I trying to cover up my own inner bigot by pointing the finger at someone else?" There's an old saying. Whenever you point a finger, there are four pointing back at you. I won't vote for someone because of "white guilt." I will also not withhold my vote from someone because that person is black, female or even purple. Drop the lies and look for the character being shown by the candidates. Two of them are far outshining the third in that department. In faact, their misspeaking shows that they are HUMAN.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 6:54:01 AM)
quote: This shit isn't even high school - it's grade school. Actually, it's just tactical reality. Foregoing an effective class of weapons for some ephemeral altruism only engenders defeat. Like it or no, ridicule, done right, can be quite effective at undermining a political opponent's credibility.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 6:57:29 AM)
quote: Sooooooooooo, let me see if I understand. If I don't support Obama I'm a racist. If I don't vote for Hillary I'm a misogynist. If I don't like McCain it's because I'm ageist. Exactly!!! Us poor, bigoted voters use all those "issues" as cover to obscure that we are driven by senseless prejudice exclusively.

Alumbrado -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 8:07:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Sooooooooooo, let me see if I understand. If I don't support Obama I'm a racist. If I don't vote for Hillary I'm a misogynist. If I don't like McCain it's because I'm ageist. No, if someone thinks that black people are inherently inferior, and that defines their judgement of Obama, then they are racists. If someone thinks that no woman is ever good enough to be in any leadership position, and uses that as their criteria for judging Hillary, that is sexism. If they think that no one older than themselves is fit to work, and project that assumption onto McCain, that is ageism. The people who don't hold those beliefs have had no problem explaining what it is about Obama's and Hillary's and McCain's policies, or platforms that they will or won't support. The people who keep resorting to hoaxes, myths, rumors, and irrational rhetoric to condemn or support their 'side' leave themselves open to the suspicion that there is more 'ism' to their choices than they will admit. But you knew the difference when you started slinging straw didn't you?

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 8:28:35 AM)
quote: The people who keep resorting to hoaxes, myths, rumors, and irrational rhetoric to condemn or support their 'side' leave themselves open to the suspicion that there is more 'ism' to their choices than they will admit. Hence the inescapable conclusion that Obama is a racist, socialist, left-wing lunatic. His sweeping condemnation of working-class conservatives as just being "bitter" speaks volumes about his perspective on others. His reluctance to acknowledge the blatant and even paranoid racism of Jeremiah Wright suggests he agrees with such rancid rhetoric more than his empty and effeminate style of campaigning will allow him to admit. Hoax, myth, rumor, and irrational rhetoric.....yep, that's every plank in Buffoon Obama's platform.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 8:59:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight I think that pulling the "you don't like him because he's black" card had been overtried on these boards and by many of his supporters. In truth, it shows a deep down prejudice inside the accuser. If this is your true position, sit down and look deep into yourself and ask "Why would I jump to the bigotry garbage? Am I trying to cover up my own inner bigot by pointing the finger at someone else?" There's an old saying. Whenever you point a finger, there are four pointing back at you. I won't vote for someone because of "white guilt." I will also not withhold my vote from someone because that person is black, female or even purple. Drop the lies and look for the character being shown by the candidates. Two of them are far outshining the third in that department. In faact, their misspeaking shows that they are HUMAN. Well, refresh yourself on what our pale brothers and sisters said after being exit-polled in WV. Somethin' like 20% said they didn't vote for him because of race (which is a socio-political construct, I might add). You aren't going to try and argue that that holds true only for WV, are you?

popeye1250 -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 9:03:58 AM)
He "misspoke?" How did that happen, I thought he was "brilliant?"

cyberdude611 -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 9:09:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 He "misspoke?" How did that happen, I thought he was "brilliant?" It tends to happen when he doesnt have a teleprompter.

kittinSol -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 10:03:15 AM)
This thread demonstrates that the majority of people are interested in circus politics, and not in bringing solutions to the table. It's quite pathetic that high school electioneering is used as an acceptable tactic to win in the political arena.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 11:38:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol This thread demonstrates that the majority of people are interested in circus politics, and not in bringing solutions to the table. It's quite pathetic that high school electioneering is used as an acceptable tactic to win in the political arena. No, kittin, this is not high school electioneering. This is what politics has been about since the beginnings of democracy. There is a lot of emotion on both sides, true, but 2008 is nothing compared to the rancor of 1800, or 1824. It might be on a par with 1912, when Roosevelt and Taft engaged in a grudgefest that handed the Presidency to Woodrow Wilson. Much as Democrats wish it were otherwise, the "character" issues--all these little "distractions" from the "real issues"--are what people are most likely to use for deciding for whom to vote come election time. A whiff of hypocrisy, a sense of a double standard, a too-relaxed relationship with the truth, particularly about one's own shortcomings, are far more a determining factor than what a candidate says about the "issues". People do not elect Presidents to get universal healthcare, or to get the troops out of Iraq, or to enact any one of the myriad legislative proposals and issues being bandied about this campaign cycle. They elect Presidents to do one thing--to lead. Polarizing presidents from Bush all the way back to Andrew Jackson demonstrate that voters are most flexible when it comes to specific issues if the man himself presents as one who can be counted on to lead. And, as Lyndon Johnson proved, choosing a President on the basis of specific issues (in his case, the Great Society) can have disastrous consequences when events alter the political landscape. These are not "high school politics", not on any level. These are what political campaigns are and should be about--the personalities and characters of those who presume to high office.

kittinSol -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 12:11:24 PM)
The primary aim of most people I know who will vote in this election is not to elect 'a leader': they know full well the president only appears to be one. They are voting for change. These are high school politics: the most trivial of reasons is pounced upon by both sides in order to elevate their camp into a state of semi-sanctity. It's ridiculous to any outside observer: perhaps if I was more personally embroiled in this spectacle, and had a vested interest, I would agree with you more, but as I can only sit on the side and watch, I assure you that the show isn't interesting, nor does it give a good impression of the level of the political discourse in this country. It's as low as it could be, and it's rather grotesque, really. Edited, because.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 12:41:24 PM)
quote: They are voting for change. Did they ever provide a definition for it, or an example of the change they expect from the candidate of their choice? I'd vote for 'change' too - if I saw a candidate represent it. However so far I see no change, just more. More of the same taxation policies for failing or failed social programs. More of the same stalemate concerning the Middle East. More votes, such as the recent approval to fund the Iraqi War for another year, contrary to the very 'change' position being used as a banner cry. quote: nor does it give a good impression of the level of the political discourse in this country It is not an impression it is an accurate reflection of the 'MTV buzz-word approach to the campaigns playing to the naiveté of the electorate. quote: It's as low as it could be, and it's rather grotesque, really. It certainly is.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama misspeaks again (5/28/2008 12:51:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol The primary aim of most people I know who will vote in this election is not to elect 'a leader': they know full well the president only appears to be one. They are voting for change. History does not look favorably on your voting priorities. Vote for a leader. That is the intelligent use of the ballot.

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