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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/3/2008 11:51:08 PM

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I know alot of people, and now have heard from another about this. This guy is saying tha5t in about a weel this becomes public, and the the prize is irrelevant, they make a hudred million dollar sale if accepted.

From what I hear some of the backers are local, to the tune of a ½ million each or so.

In each case someone else has approached me.

These are two different people, and they have never met.

The second, the one who relayed it to me is not the same as the first. The firat does not understand these principles, but the second has been to school for like six years. this one is competent in manufacutering processes' and saw alot more than the first guy.

More later, there is alot going on right now, and it is after midnight. But I have some details now, just hope I did not forget them by then. But I left no stone unturned, I mean it. So far there is one thing that cannot be proved to me thusfar, When it can I will et you know.

This is a fascinating subject for those who can embrace yet discard the application of the law of physics. I would like for everyone to know that I am merely a messanger, and if a year from now you can say "I already kew about that" then you win.

Anyway I have alot more on the technical side of this now, but I simply do not have the time. *I would imagine that whether their time is limited. In each case the person was an employee of a funder.

Now bearing that in mind, both of the people I have met and discussed this isssue with had a vested interest. That cannot be discounted. I am not declaring people to be dishonest with me, but it is possible, and in way of which I would be unaware.

The guy's name is Chuck, and he has done it more than once. He has a coup[le of these things going, and keeps coming up with more. They are about to start one tomeorrow (well today now) and it has nothing to do with the other ones.

People, I admit when I am wrong, but this is completely two different sources who do not know each other, have never met. And one gave me the locations of the research facility, on Warrensville, and the testing center on Brookpark road near Granger.

He says news of this will be forthcoming in a week, I disagree, Murphy's law applies to them as well as to us.

The last person who told me about this was alot more descriptive, I'll get into the some other time. And from what he has told me I doubt it actually qualifies.

Personallyt I think most people are so involved with their own life, they become unconconsrned.

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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/15/2008 8:52:36 AM

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New developments.

Upon further inquiry I found out a few more things and while some makes sense, the technology eludes me.

These things are not, nor are they purported to be perpetual motion machines, they are in fact generators.

My last post on this was very rushed because I had to work the next day. I should not have used the words 'made public'. After thinking about the ramifications of such a device I don't think I would make it public. The test has already happened but I have yet to hear about the results.

Thinking back, I was stupid to read perpetual motion machine into it, nobody said that to me. Looking back, I was the one who said it.

Another logistical error I made (I do admit when I am wrong) is thinking that people would invest a bunch of money into a perpetual motion machine, because it has no commecial value.

Now I have had a chance to pick this guy's brain and even eat some of the grisle.

The first, and smallest of these generators has been running for five years. During that time they have been building bigger and bigger ones. One of the investors plans to power his house with one soon.

Let's make no bones about it, this thing runs off of something. It is not perpetual motion, nor is it purported to be. I suspect fissionable material is involved, not that it uses fission, but it uses the radioactivity in some way. At least that my idea of it right now. I don't see any other fuel they could put in there that would last five years. Thing is, if it has something to do with interaction between radioactivity and magnetism, start thinking half life.

I think they are on to something here, and making it public could be delayed for obvious reasons. And there is another thing, just assume these things do work for five years. Let's say they have one that can power your house for five years. You are off the grid.

But it costs a million dollars. Just how much would your electric bill be during that time ?

So I am a bit excited about the technology, but a bit disappointed because this is not going to become a household item anytime soon.

They are going to have to patent it sooner or later, then it will be public knowledge.

I would be very interested in the theory of operation.

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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/15/2008 9:00:38 AM

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If they do not go public and if it truly is something cheaper that oil, a price will be put upon their heads. You said they had applied for patents? If they did, I would expect them to have been murdered already if their invention was any use and their patent application to have mysteriously disappeared.

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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/15/2008 9:11:57 AM

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You snot, DomAviator, LOL.

There are plenty of smart P/pl in Cleveland.

Nuts to Houton and NASA -- and by the way -- what about the Satellite Coast in Florida? Isn't that NASA's hdqtrs?

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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/15/2008 9:42:39 AM

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New developments.

Upon further inquiry I found out a few more things and while some makes sense, the technology eludes me.

These things are not, nor are they purported to be perpetual motion machines, they are in fact generators.

My last post on this was very rushed because I had to work the next day. I should not have used the words 'made public'. After thinking about the ramifications of such a device I don't think I would make it public. The test has already happened but I have yet to hear about the results.

Thinking back, I was stupid to read perpetual motion machine into it, nobody said that to me. Looking back, I was the one who said it.

Another logistical error I made (I do admit when I am wrong) is thinking that people would invest a bunch of money into a perpetual motion machine, because it has no commecial value.

Now I have had a chance to pick this guy's brain and even eat some of the grisle.

The first, and smallest of these generators has been running for five years. During that time they have been building bigger and bigger ones. One of the investors plans to power his house with one soon.

Let's make no bones about it, this thing runs off of something. It is not perpetual motion, nor is it purported to be. I suspect fissionable material is involved, not that it uses fission, but it uses the radioactivity in some way. At least that my idea of it right now. I don't see any other fuel they could put in there that would last five years. Thing is, if it has something to do with interaction between radioactivity and magnetism, start thinking half life.

I think they are on to something here, and making it public could be delayed for obvious reasons. And there is another thing, just assume these things do work for five years. Let's say they have one that can power your house for five years. You are off the grid.

But it costs a million dollars. Just how much would your electric bill be during that time ?

So I am a bit excited about the technology, but a bit disappointed because this is not going to become a household item anytime soon.

They are going to have to patent it sooner or later, then it will be public knowledge.

I would be very interested in the theory of operation.

T

Well, first, thank You for the Op and the 'mni-science lesson' that followed.

Do i understand You correctly -- are You qualifying the Op, and now saying the inventor has not created a PMM? Not even been trying to?

i 'get' that inventors can generate investments for theorical research with no foreseeable future return on investment. i think it's great; it's s'thing -- probably the only thing -- i'd like to see our government do more. (Apart from that, i really prefer most government agencies be closed permanently, but that's a hijack.)

To A/all W/who posted counter-arguments to the possiblity of inventing a PMM: i am not a scientist. But i think it's obvious from history that we lack a full understanding of the natural world.

The term 'laws of physics' strikes me as a misnomer because W/we really don't know what immutable laws may exist, if any. W/we just think W/we do, out of human arrogance.

Remember Galileo?

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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/15/2008 11:57:43 AM

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pink, don't get on DA's case here. He stated facts. He was presented with incomplete information. The opinions he formed were solid, based on what was presented. I had very little on it at the time, in fact I misunderstood it a bit, as I explained.

But the real mystery now is how the thing works.

I should call this guy, his boss told him if this thing paid off he would have a really good job. I know why. First of all if you talk to him, you do not detect bullshit. Second of all he has a concealed carry permit, which makes him valuable for security.

And as far as Cleveland goes, some of the most advanced genetic research is going on here, around ten miles from my house.

The problem with Cleveland is that those who excel often move away.

But then maybe we have just lost so many times I think like this. One of those generators blows up, opening up a level five room at Case university causing a plague. That's our luck. That's why people move away. How many cities do you know of that had a huge underground gas explosion, race riots AND a river that burned ? Cleveland is a hard luck city. If this can put Cleveland back on the map, fine.

I still want to know how it works.

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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/15/2008 2:32:53 PM

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Term, I bet this thing burns beer farts. Those will last forever. On a more serious level, it sounds like a possible first step in a good direction.

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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/15/2008 11:19:51 PM

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pink, don't get on DA's case here. He stated facts. He was presented with incomplete information. The opinions he formed were solid, based on what was presented. I had very little on it at the time, in fact I misunderstood it a bit, as I explained.

But the real mystery now is how the thing works.

I should call this guy, his boss told him if this thing paid off he would have a really good job. I know why. First of all if you talk to him, you do not detect bullshit. Second of all he has a concealed carry permit, which makes him valuable for security.

And as far as Cleveland goes, some of the most advanced genetic research is going on here, around ten miles from my house.

The problem with Cleveland is that those who excel often move away.

But then maybe we have just lost so many times I think like this. One of those generators blows up, opening up a level five room at Case university causing a plague. That's our luck. That's why people move away. How many cities do you know of that had a huge underground gas explosion, race riots AND a river that burned ? Cleveland is a hard luck city. If this can put Cleveland back on the map, fine.

I still want to know how it works.

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Termyn8or, i didn't mean to single DomAviator out for criticism. Sorry to You both if it seemed that way.

Yea, it's a 'cursed' city; but we still have great museums and stuff; world class medical facilities, a (possible) rejuvenation of the Euclid area downtown, and -- let's not forget! -- our baseball players now play at 'Progressive Stadium'!

Do P/pl get T/their 'cokes' in 8 minutes or less too, lol?

BTW, Termyn8or -- is it ever gonna f**king cool off here again? What weird-ass weather.

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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/16/2008 12:39:41 AM

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pink, I did not mean to get on your case about it, if it seemed so, sorry. The main thing is I tried to start another thread about this and it got bounced. I had to go dig it up. During the first part of this thread I had several misconceptions about this device.

Learning that they are actually generators changed the whole scenario, we are no longer talking about a PMM, it uses something. The question is what ?

All the skeptics in this thread were totally right, and I always agreed with them. I even sort of argued against myself. I could forget it except for one fact, two people (who still haven't met) told me about it. The description was too close.

And now, like I didn't believe it enough, one of them claims to know nothing about it. This is the first guy. You can ask the second guy, I when he started telling me about it I said "I heard about this already". This is not bullshit.

Thinking back, the first guy, no tech background. He said it's not going public until they got all the paperwork, I said patents ?

They are never going to apply for a patent if these things really work. They're going to sell them to their buddies and shit, and really we could not afford them. Applying for a patent at this point would be stupid no ?

I now know that it uses coils, a flywheel, transformers and batteries. I just don't know what else it uses. They did not invest millions of dollars into some simple idea of charging a battery with a motor crap. There is something else going on here and I want to know what it is.

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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/16/2008 12:54:48 AM

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it uses coils, a flywheel, transformers and batteries. ... They did not invest millions of dollars into some simple idea of charging a battery with a motor crap.

I suspect that a couple of hundred dollars is all that is required.

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RE: Can't be done ? - 6/16/2008 8:26:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
it uses coils, a flywheel, transformers and batteries. ... They did not invest millions of dollars into some simple idea of charging a battery with a motor crap.

I suspect that a couple of hundred dollars is all that is required.

...or failing that, rip out some deely or other from your interstellar spaceship.......