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Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle questions. - 5/29/2008 5:38:02 AM   
MstrObjectmaker


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I'm interested to discover whether there are other people out there who are into the alternative and BDSM lifestyle, who have lived through the experience of being a part of a "dysfunctional family".

I can safely say that my immediate family has to be one of the most dysfunctional families I've ever had the fortune/misfortune to have come across, whether that has any bearing on my not being able to deal with vanilla personal relationships is well..... your guess is as good as mine.

Edit: I would have to clarify that last statement by saying I don't really have that much experience of other families.

Further more although I say that my family is dysfunctional, I have had a very good upbringing, never wanting for much.

Although when I was a kid there was some physical and mental abuse, but not so much that I was scarred mentaly myself.

The definition of dysfunctional for me as far as my family is concerned is the inability for certain members to communicate and thus build trust with other members. End of edit.

But today after a particularly pointless but unfortunately not rare family dispute, I began to give the question of a possible link between being apart of a dysfunctional family and wanting to pursue an alternative lifestyle well away from the vanilla experience some serious thought.

So how about it?

I would as usual value any imput from fellow CM members.

Thank you.

Addition:-

In my own family the only member who none of us really get on with is my Father.

My Auntie (his sister) has said of him that she thinks he must be a spy who works for MI6. lol

The rest of the family gets on pretty well together but we still do have the odd moment of dysfunction.


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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 5:42:45 AM   
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My immeditate family (Mother, Father, Grandmother etc) are all or were all pretty downright functional.  I have the best parents a person could have, and my paternal grandmother was an inspiration.
My aunts and uncles are all pretty cool.  My cousins are pretty dysfunctional.  But that makes them completely cool.
And I don't have siblings.  So I am pretty much the opposite to the stereotypical s-type family history.
 
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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 5:47:47 AM   
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I grew up in an extremely normal and happy home.  There was no abuse issues at all.  I still live near my sisters and speak almost daily to them.  I also have a very warm relationship with my dad and his girlfriend.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 5:57:42 AM   
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A family characterized by an inability to function emotionally or as a social unit. That would be girls family....they do tend to "sweep things under the rug" or "pretend they never happened" emotionally.....socially..they all hate each other but are comstantly invovled in each others lives...but most of them are great one on one....and funny....well at least to laugh at while they are mad....



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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 5:58:44 AM   
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If you can't manage a vanilla relationship you will not be able to manage a power one. The skills needed to have a healthy relationship are the same. You need to be able to listen without thinking of rebuttals the entire time, you need to know what your needs are and have the ability to communicate them without attacking the other person, and most of all you need the ability to screen for healthy and compatible partners.

Please note that none of this depends on whether you like to get tied up or not.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 6:01:57 AM   
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My family is great.  The dysfunctional parts about them are what make them all so much fun.  I wouldn't change them for the world.  My mother is 4'10"s of compact energy, and when she's not off Lobbying to save the world from well...people like me, she's off trying to save the world from people like herself.  My sister is a missionary back from Russia who is usually off saving souls and married to a gorgeous Russian man.  My brother is off raising race horses, and TRYING to save his hard earned pennies from being spent and couldn't give a flip about saving the world or anyone's souls.  And then there is me....

Well, lets just say I'm not even saving pennies these days hehe.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 6:07:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If you can't manage a vanilla relationship you will not be able to manage a power one. The skills needed to have a healthy relationship are the same. You need to be able to listen without thinking of rebuttals the entire time, you need to know what your needs are and have the ability to communicate them without attacking the other person, and most of all you need the ability to screen for healthy and compatible partners.

Please note that none of this depends on whether you like to get tied up or not.



I never said I coudn't manage vanilla relationships, I manage them just fine, I just don't like them, theres just not enough kink in vanilla.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 6:12:59 AM   
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If everyone is honest then there are no functional families. There are  just different degrees of dysfunctional families. We live and we learn. Hopefully we learn from the mistakes that we saw or made and become a better person. My childhood was not bad nor will I lie and say it was wonderful and problem free. That is part of growning up. You either learn from your mistakes or you use them as a excuse to for your bad behavior. What has happened in my family did nothing one way or the other to lead me to this lifestyle.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 6:13:50 AM   
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My childhood closely resembled Sybil's. When they raided my childhood home, removing all 7 children, the socail worker told my grandmother, 'I know there are worse homes. You read about them, see them on the news. I have been doing this for 10 years, this is by far the worst home i have ever personally been involved in helping to get children out of.'
My father's lawyer's investigator told my father - "You know, there are a lot of urban myths about life in America, but one that is generally true is, Americans do not want to get involved. In general, the neibors didn't see nothing, didn't hear nothing, don't know nothing. I have never worked a case where that was so patently UNTRUE. When I canvas the neiborhood, at almost every house, the neihbors say, 'oh, the JONES children? Lord, let me tell you about the Jones children. Come in, let me get you some coffee' "
When I was 17, i was in a state run boarding school for pregnant teenage girls, and learning to be a lot better mother than my own. The state found me a GOOD therapist, the first of many, and my slow road to recovery began. A few years later, with another excellent therepist, i was hypnotized, in an effort to recover some earlier childhood memories. When my therepist brought me out, she was crying. When my children were growing up, we were quite poor, and did not always own a car. If i did not own a car, i did not go to my mother's for christmas. 'Have your own way out' is a rock solid rule in dealing with dysfunctional families, and my mothers family's christmas traditions included guns coming out after midnight when everyone was good and drunk.
It is interesting you say you belong to the most dysfunctional family you have ever met. Because, I have been deeply enough involved in groups of other people working hard to recover from very real family dysfunction to tell you, I absolutely do not belong to the most dysfunctional family i know of. there are some douzies out there, let me tell you.
Today, my family gets along quite well, and is very close, as an adult family. I am pleased that my children can be part of the very good things about my family - things mostly created by children who grew up and rejected the bad, and created something, while far from perfect, still, very good.
I have some free advice for you. Family drama and quarrells can only take place in a way that involves you with your consent. Walk away.
It is a hard thing to learn to do, but it works. When I was 18 I started dealing with my father's rages like this. First i refused to work beside him on any job or task. After he had been sober a couple of years, i started helping him with things when he asked me to, but only after, each time, saying to him, 'the first time you cuss, i am walking away.' And then i did it. everytime. and left him, the first several times, standing there looking confused, calling after me, 'hey! I wasn't cussing at you! I hit my thumb with the damn hammer! anyone would cuss!' and i'd say, 'i understand, but we had a deal. I'll be at the house, I'll pour you a lemonaid when you are done.'
Drama does not occur in your life without your permission. it really is that simple.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 6:14:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

My immeditate family (Mother, Father, Grandmother etc) are all or were all pretty downright functional.  I have the best parents a person could have, and my paternal grandmother was an inspiration.
My aunts and uncles are all pretty cool.  My cousins are pretty dysfunctional.  But that makes them completely cool.
And I don't have siblings.  So I am pretty much the opposite to the stereotypical s-type family history.
 
the.dark.

 
I think my parents are a couple of the best folks I know.  My sister hasn't learned accountibility for her actions yet, but she can still be considered far more functional then others.  The only partners that I've been with that had dysfunctional families were definately part of the vanilla community.
 
Personally I don't think there is a corolation , I do however think that it's human nature to make connections that give us reasons for our actions.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 7:29:34 AM   
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I wouldn't call my family dysfunctional, they have their issues but my childhood was rather idylic and perhaps even buccolic.  That said, I have clearly traced some of my turn ons back to my family life.

I like ballgags because it represents the silencing of my mother
I tend to envision women as taller than they are because my mother was such an overpowering person
I have rather broad catholic sexual tastes because of my father
I like control because I had so little structure as a kid I think

The rest of my kinks are just sort of random perversions picked up along the way.
I like public play I think as well as looking up women's skirts because I was a geek as a kid and spent my time LOOKING at women I wanted rather than being with them.

I had never been creative as a kid but the first moment I used rope I suddenly realized that sex was an art form for me and off I went.

So while my family has a few issues  I wouldn't trade them for anything.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 7:30:48 AM   
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pettingdragons, that almost describes my mom's side of the family. Though I do not think they hate each other, I think they are just to much in the habit of bickering, hard to relate to the others, in better ways.

I grew up relatively normal.  Like most my family has it's dysfuctional moments, but I absolutely refuse to believe in normal, in most cases, especially family.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 7:36:36 AM   
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I think it's more rare today for there not to be dysfunctional families.  It might not be in the most extreme way, but it still exists. 

I would be more interested in those that don't have a family like that...they are more rare than a flying pig from what I have seen here and in real life.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 7:42:11 AM   
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I don't think that most families are truly dysfunctional, I simply think that people have an extremely high expectation of what an ideal family is supposed to be and when they don't meet that ideal they lable themselves as dysfunctional.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 8:09:12 AM   
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actually, I think that alot of families, since the beginning of time have been dysfuctional, but society, for the most part encouraged alot to keep it hidden.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 8:23:13 AM   
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I grew up in "normal", happy, loving home.  My parents were and are the best. 

I have two "normal" older sisters.

I guess that would make me the "abby normal" one. LOL!

I believe we all have our quirks and issues, but I wouldn't look at my family and think "dysfunctional".

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 8:37:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyLynx

actually, I think that alot of families, since the beginning of time have been dysfuctional, but society, for the most part encouraged alot to keep it hidden.


I feel that we all have a different thought on what dysfunction is, so I looked up the official definition

dys·func·tion also dis·func·tion  

Audio Help   (dĭs-fŭngk'shən)  Pronunciation Key  n.   Abnormal or impaired functioning, especially of a bodily system or social group.


to me the key word is "impared", I think that though most people have less then an ideal relationship, most are not impared from becoming normal and rational functioning adults.

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 8:38:31 AM   
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Thanks guys most enlightening thus far.

I wouldn't want to trade my family in for anyone elses either apart from perhaps my father but then hes a strange one. lol

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 9:04:18 AM   
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Take a step back.. Every single family out there is dysfunctional to at least some extent if you look closely. It's called being human.
Families don't run on batteries or like clockwork.. We all have problems, issues, conflicts of interest, hormones.. Within the normal situation of immediate family, i.e. all living in a single home, these things are magnified and exaggerated.. Siblings don't get on.. Adolescents hate their parents.. We live in the real world not a fantasy..

As far as i can see it..

Dysfunctional = "Normal".

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RE: Vanilla family dysfunction and BDSM lifestyle quest... - 5/29/2008 9:12:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OmegaG

I don't think that most families are truly dysfunctional, I simply think that people have an extremely high expectation of what an ideal family is supposed to be and when they don't meet that ideal they lable themselves as dysfunctional.


What a fantastic point.

My family was chaotic and out of control.  Whether or not that corrolates to why I crave a Master's control...well, I don't know.  For me it was always the control and power I craved and if that came in the form of kinkiness or sexual activity, or any other form, I still craved it and was fed by it.  When I couldn't find it, I always tried to take control of situations myself.  But I lacked the tools to do so competently, and I always found myself feeling an inner peace when someone else did so competently.  Most of my siblings have submissive tendencies.  My mother is not at all submissive in any way.  My father seemed to be, but in retrospect, it was more like a manipulation to get his way.



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