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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 3:27:59 AM

gypsyeyez

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I have had the one on your knees slut used before on me ..... have to admit I grinned to the point of inner laughter when I did it though.... With the right tone it could be a very compelling statement even in the words "on your knees bitch"

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 3:48:51 AM

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If I had a slave I would consider myself responsible for her saying anything stupid; either for picking her up so stupid, either for not teaching her better.
So, you should have punched yourself - you are the one that deserved it.
IMHO.

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 6:27:29 AM

Prunesquallor

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wolfie648
she consented to this relationship and she understood what entering it meant. Not abuse.

I have hesitated a long time before responding to this, but I think it does require a response.

The above could be said by any abusive husband whose wife remains with him. And indeed, has been.

Any physical chastisement that could potentially cause serious and permanent injury is in my view something that a Master should never carry out on a slave.

I recognise that punch as thuggery - try as I might I can't see it as d/s.

Also, I would say that any Master who is so lacking in control of his slave that he has to resort to extreme violence to gain compliance is not a very successful Master.

Lastly, although you felt compelled to make this posting, despite the fact that it contributed nothing to the discussion, in point of fact it is a potential weapon for those who are currently trying to clamp down on BDSM practices. It wasn't a good idea, IMO.

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 11:49:03 AM

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ok, I have read all the comments made about Daddys post on punching me in my junk and I (the one who was hit) am astounded. W/we both thought it would be humorous...

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i would probably speak up as well; and call the cops. There is no
way this is an appropriate punishment; this is flat-out abuse. And before
You tell me "she consented" or "mind your business"; i would remind You
that this is probably 1st degree assault; a felony in most
states.

I am a slave, I consented long ago to be His slave and therefore abuse is
not possible. I can understand others not wanting to be in my position,
and that is their choice, just as it was my choice to be here. (as Daddy
stated earlier, I am not caged 24/7 and could run if I wanted)

*wolfie648 comment - an abusive husband did not take his wife aside and
say ok I have the right to beat you any way I so decide. Are you ok with
that?

I'm sure many of you have gone through much worse than I as Daddy is more about D/s than S/m. He has never caused me any harm. Yes He has hurt me... this is not a bad thing, in fact I am thankful as I definately have a masochistic side. I am also grateful that He will take the time to
teach me a lesson that I am failing to learn. (I do sometimes need the
hard lesson as subtlety does not usually work for me).

I do not believe that all punishment or reward for that manner, needs to
take place in a planned scene. For U/us, living 24/7 means W/we are
forever in scene. Daddy caught me off gaurd and dropped me... I was
rather stunned at the time, but not messed up, or hurt. Yes I felt it,
and why shouldn't I? He got His point accross and I learned my lesson.
Maybe if I had learned the lesson earlier, as I should have, the situation
would have never arised.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Prunesquallor

quote:

ORIGINAL: Wolfie648
she consented to this relationship and she understood what entering it
meant. Not abuse.

I have hesitated a long time before responding to this, but I think it
does require a response.

The above could be said by any abusive husband whose wife remains with
him. And indeed, has been.

You are correct, many abused women stay with their man out of fear. This is not the case for me, not that I expect anyone here to believe me.

quote:

Any physical chastisement that could potentially cause serious and
permanent injury is in my view something that a Master should never carry
out on a slave.

Receiving an unexpected blow was in no way serious, and could not have
caused permanent injury.

quote:

I recognise that punch as thuggery - try as I might I can't see it
as d/s.

D/s, M/s, any type of power exchange can only be defined by the people
involved in the relationship, as every power exchange dynamic is unique.

quote:

Also, I would say that any Master who is so lacking in control of
his slave that he has to resort to extreme violence to gain compliance is
not a very successful Master.

Am I to assume that any Master/Daddy/Owner who has a sub/slave who makes an inappropriate comment is not successful. Do we expect people to be perfect? I am grateful that Daddy does not expect perfection from me, as that would be unattainable. He does however expect me to give Him my best at all times. Yes I make mistakes, and I often put my foot in my mouth..., the point is I am constantly working to improve myself. Since I've been owned by Daddy, I am forever compelled to improve myself, to make myself a better slave, a better person in all areas of my life.

quote:

Lastly, although you felt compelled to make this posting, despite
the fact that it contributed nothing to the discussion, in point of fact
it is a potential weapon for those who are currently trying to clamp down
on BDSM practices. It wasn't a good idea, IMO.

And noone else has ever made a humorous comment....

*wolfie648 addition - obviously many people did not take it this way and
it has struck a bad note for them. It's original intent _was_ humor - my
slave and I have talked about this incident a couple of times are we both
wind up with smiles on our faces - In the future I will attempt to keep my
humor attempts to more established paths so as not to spook the masses
(and I don't mean that to be derogatory - I am suggesting that my slave
and I are on the farther end of extremity on the bell curve of D/s
relationships and there is no reason to shove it in your faces - it was
not my intent).

As for people trying to understand BDSM, if you had not already noticed, Daddy has made many posts regarding saftey issues and suggestions on books to read. I believe anyone here reading these posts have the ability to think for themselves. Lets not forget there is an immense difference between a submissive and a slave (*wolfie648 addition - as we see it).

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 12:23:12 PM

Wolfie648

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quote:

If I had a slave I would consider myself responsible for her saying anything stupid;

I am responsible for what she says. That's why I went into behavior modification mode and did what I did.

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either for picking her up so stupid,

I assume you are calling my slave stupid, I'm not 100% certain from your wording. If my assumption is correct, that would be a stupid thing to do (seeing as how you take the right to call her and me (by extension) stupid, I reserve the right to call you stupid). Maybe you should punch yourself. You are after all responsible for what you write.

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either for not teaching her better.

She had her 3 specific (or more likely more than 3 instructions) instructions on this topic - if she does not understand my instructions it is her responsibilty to tell me so so that yes I can try a different method or rewording. Why is it her responsibility? Because even tho' I am her dom I cannot and do not read her mind. She gets 3 nice instructions and if she _chooses_ to ignore those instructions, or worse be human and forget <gasp> then I assume she is not respecting my desires. As such she gets a punishment of my choosing. Either before, after or as part of her punishment she gets it explained to her again.

Whether you think that's right or appropriate really doesn't concern me. You aren't running my relationship. I am.

quote:

So, you should have punched yourself - you are the one that deserved it.
IMHO.

Please refer to above comments.

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 1:04:03 PM

shygirldesires

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Wolfie and stp
its a damned shame you have had to justify your response as you have felt a need to.
seems others are more into judging and condemning another relationship and TPE than keeping their noses into their own affairs.

ok back to the OP's original question??????????
not the regularly scheduled judgements and condemnations and flaming?

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 1:17:50 PM

Kasia

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wolfie648

I am responsible for what she says. That's why I went into behavior modification mode and did what I did.

I dont see punching someone unexpectedly as "behavior modification mode", I see it as lack of selfcontrol. But of course, our views on that matter may differ.

quote:

I assume you are calling my slave stupid, I'm not 100% certain from your wording. If my assumption is correct, that would be a stupid thing to do (seeing as how you take the right to call her and me (by extension) stupid, I reserve the right to call you stupid). Maybe you should punch yourself. You are after all responsible for what you write.

I am not calling anyone stupid (so far). I just concluded that someone saying something stupid may do so for actually being stupid.
And I dont go around punching anyone, so I find your remark about punching myself something that convinces me into suspecting your selfcontrol is not on the level I would find appropriate. Its childish "punch back" sort of remark.

quote:

She had her 3 specific (or more likely more than 3 instructions) instructions on this topic - if she does not understand my instructions it is her responsibilty to tell me so so that yes I can try a different method or rewording. Why is it her responsibility? Because even tho' I am her dom I cannot and do not read her mind. She gets 3 nice instructions and if she _chooses_ to ignore those instructions, or worse be human and forget <gasp> then I assume she is not respecting my desires. As such she gets a punishment of my choosing. Either before, after or as part of her punishment she gets it explained to her again.

If you say she doesnt understand your instructions after 3 or more of those, you are the one assuming that either she is incapable of understanding them either you are incapable of instructing. The situation of "she _chooses_ to ignore" reminds me very much of bratiness - something I would never permit with my slave. But again, out opinions and preferences may differ.
Still, none of said justify punching her in my opinion. "You choose your slave, you are the one responsible for bratiness/nonunderstanding/etc" - still my opinion.

quote:

Whether you think that's right or appropriate really doesn't concern me. You aren't running my relationship. I am.

I couldnt care less about what you think concerns you or dont. I couldnt care less about your relationships or the way you run them.
But if I find you writing something I think inappropriate on these message boards I am going to comment it the way I see fit. Whether you like it or not.

quote:

You are after all responsible for what you write.

Definitely. Like you or anyone else. And I stand by every word I wrote so far concerning your remark about punching someone publicly.

< Message edited by Kasia -- 10/30/2005 1:20:46 PM >

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 2:00:49 PM

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quote:

edited to add that the guy whose nose I broke wasn't with his girlfriend but with someone he had met in a bar, I suppose: I didn't exactly spend time in chitchat with the guy, and the woman ran away when I started punching the piece of shit that had just hit her. Nobody will make me believe I was wrong to interfere. If you do that in public (which was clearly the case in your original message before the edition), there may be another person who won't start discussing the terms of your relationship with your girlfriend.

frenchpet

i'd like to take a swing myself. However, i must add that most abusers are NOT gonna allow another man see them in practice, because they are cowards.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 2:50:01 PM

Wolfie648

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quote:

If I had a slave I would consider myself responsible for her saying anything stupid; either for picking her up so stupid, either for not teaching her better.
So, you should have punched yourself - you are the one that deserved it.
IMHO.

quote:

Definitely. Like you or anyone else. And I stand by every word I wrote so far concerning your remark about punching someone publicly.

Let's cut to the chase - I see this as you judging me. I see this as you saying I should take on your views. I say no.

If you would like I will reply to every one of your comments to my reply.

I'm fairly certain, that should you ask me to, it will be my last post on this subject. I think I have expressed myself in enough ways, enough times to enough people that anyone reading this thread should be able to understand and decide what is right _for themselves and themselves alone_ and carrying on past this, for myself, is beating a dead horse. :-)

D (owner of j)

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 3:00:01 PM

Kasia

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wolfie648

Let's cut to the chase - I see this as you judging me. I see this as you saying I should take on your views. I say no.

If you would like I will reply to every one of your comments to my reply.

I'm fairly certain, that should you ask me to, it will be my last post on this subject. I think I have expressed myself in enough ways, enough times to enough people that anyone reading this thread should be able to understand and decide what is right _for themselves and themselves alone_ and carrying on past this, for myself, is beating a dead horse. :-)

D (owner of j)

No, not judging you, judging what you wrote you did to your slave.
When you post something like that, expect people to comment, disagree, and yes even judge. After all one is only human.
Not at least I expect you to take my views, but let me disagree with yours if I feel that way.
No further comments needed in my opinion - with this one I am ending mine regarding the subject too.

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 4:05:20 PM

Prunesquallor

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stp

Receiving an unexpected blow was in no way serious, and could not have
caused permanent injury.

This is the only comment in your posting that I do wish to reply to. You are wrong if you think that a blow that is hard enough to bring you to your knees could not cause serious injury. It is what killed Harry Houdini, and has been responsible for many deaths and serious injuries.

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/30/2005 9:13:16 PM

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I've been Imed more then enough with this... I don't appreciate it. I've laughed at it a bunch, when I know the person and know they are joking. And I've only obeyed it when it came from my former Master.

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/31/2005 5:31:23 AM

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For those who are interested, this is a private message I received from Wolfie today:-

"I think possibly you have misinterpreted where she was hit. she was not hit in the abdomen - as a matter of fact I have posted she was hit nowhere near any organs (with the exception of skin, the largest of the bodies organs). If you want to quote me - in my entirety - on the messageboards regarding this feel free. I'm really quite done with the topic and I'm pretty sure people are quite done with listening to me posting on the subject.

re: Harry houdini's death

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Houdini

Houdini's last performance was at the Garrick Theatre in Detroit, Michigan on October 24, 1926. The next day he was hospitalized at Detroit's Grace Hospital.

Houdini died of peritonitis from a ruptured appendix on Halloween, October 31, 1926, at the age of 52. Houdini had sustained a blow to his abdomen

http://www.foxvalleyhistory.org/houdini/facts.html

Houdini died on Halloween, 1926 from peritonitis caused by a ruptured appendix. For years, it has been assumed that a blow to his abdomen

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/3487/death.html

Houdini died of peritonitis resulting from appendicitis
in Detroit, Michigan,
at Grace Hospital in room 401
at 1:26 P.M. on October 31, 1926"

And my response:-

"Wolfie,

Thanks for your response. I think part of the problem has been people not knowing where the blow landed, and assumed (sic) that because it was enough to bring her to her knees, it was in the abdomen. I certainly didn't know what you meant by the 'junk' expression.

But anyway, I am happy to quote your message, plus my response, if you feel that will clear the air.

Prunesquallor."

Strange, the areas that threads wander into. :)

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/31/2005 5:42:17 AM

Prunesquallor

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quote:

ORIGINAL: shygirldesires

Wolfie and stp
its a damned shame you have had to justify your response as you have felt a need to.
seems others are more into judging and condemning another relationship and TPE than keeping their noses into their own affairs.

Let me stress at the outset that I am not talking about anybody here - this is a general comment in response to the last part of your last sentence.

Some people are mentally disturbed to the extent that they are self-destructive, and crave extreme abuse. This leaves the realm of BDSM and enters the world of mental health. IMO, I hasten to add.

I have seen a profile on another site of a submissive asking to be abused, and actually suggesting that she could be murdered. If I announced on the forum that I was going to take her up on her offer, do you think that it would be right for people to 'keep their noses into their own affairs'. (And let me add that I have read of at least one case where a submissive was murdered at her request by a dom she met online.)

It strikes me that it is incumbent on all dom/mes that they should have enough empathy and knowledge of psychology that they are able to recognise this when it occurs. In my opinion, again, any relationship, be it BDSM or vanilla, should be enabling, and a power exchange gives plenty of opportunity for the opposite to occur.

I think it is down to all of us to be aware of this, and to speak up when necessary.

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/31/2005 6:13:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Prunesquallor

For those who are interested, this is a private message I received from Wolfie today:-

"I think possibly you have misinterpreted where she was hit. she was not hit in the abdomen - as a matter of fact I have posted she was hit nowhere near any organs (with the exception of skin, the largest of the bodies organs).

To preface, I'm a bit disturbed that someone feels the need to post "private" email in the Message Forum. (I won't be sending private messages to this poster. )

Ya know...in view of the remark though, about the location of the punch...I'm still confused by just WHERE the "junk" is located. I've asked, but must've missed the answer.

K

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/31/2005 6:17:29 AM

Prunesquallor

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Perhaps if you had read the posting you wouldn't have felt so disturbed.

In fact there was a specific disclaimer that the message could be posted.

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/31/2005 7:21:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Prunesquallor
And let me add that I have read of at least one case where a submissive was murdered at her request by a dom she met online.

Weren't you thinking about the German cannibal ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3075897.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3286721.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4472593.stm

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/31/2005 8:06:30 AM

NYDiscipline

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Makes a mental note, not to start the next introductory email with that line....

It's too bad this thread turned into such a train wreck...the first 2-3 pages were very entertaining...

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/31/2005 9:50:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Prunesquallor

Perhaps if you had read the posting you wouldn't have felt so disturbed.

In fact there was a specific disclaimer that the message could be posted.

Oh, I'm accused of being disturbed all the time.

You're found me out...I'm a skimmer. I guess I shouldn't try multitasking before I'm completely awake. Thanks for pointing the info out. I went back, but am still unclear un the "junk" except that it is NOT the abdomen.
K

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RE: Get on your knees, bitch! - 10/31/2005 10:16:01 AM

Prunesquallor

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FT,

Yes, that remains a mystery to me. :)

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