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tiggeress2 -> ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 2:45:45 PM)

My Master and I are to be married. We are buying an apt. He wanted to but it togeather. But I am in the states and he is in italy where we will live.He was supposed to waite for my return. But now he fond one he likes. After see pic's of it I do not like it and cannot see my self living there full time. It would make a great summer place. Master is bent on buying it.After much argueing I said that if my feelings dont realy count I want out of my contract.He refuses to do so and tells me im acting like a brat.So is a master always right. Doesent a slave have any rights?



Heinz -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 3:01:06 PM)

A slave is giving herself away.
But...............................................
At the moment you decide to give yourself away uoy als has (had) te make the rules or agreements. If I was you I would reconcider your plans.
I smell abuse.

Heinz



Padriag -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 3:05:59 PM)

You're not going to like my answer, so feel free to stop reading now and skip it.

Still reading... good.

You're being a brat. Here's why. First, if you want out of your contract with him all you need do is say "I'm out, seeya" and that's it. You're in the US, he's in Italy and there is no law in the world that says you have to stay in that relationship... if you want out, walk, period. But you should already know that. What you are doing is coming to a forum and asking others to excuse your behavior, to justify your behavior so you can do what you want, force him to do what you want and get away with it without having to feel guilty for it.... not gonna do that dearheart.

What I will suggest is that you stop an think about this. He wants that house, and I'm assuming he's spending his own money. If that's the case, its his money, he can spend it on any damn thing he pleases. As for you living in the house, is this house so aweful you feel its a deal breaker for the relationship? In some cases it could be, if its a roach infested junk heap I could see a lass having a problem with that. On the other hand if its a decent house, but just not the color or style or size you like... you're being a brat.

A slave chooses to be with her master to serve him because she chose him, not because of the house he lives in. Do you want to be with him for who he is, or his house? If the house really is that much of an issue, you're in the relationship for the wrong reasons and I'd suggest you take a long hard look at your own values. Houses come and go, they can be remodelled and redecorated, they are temporary things... but that relationship ought to be permanent and based on the person you choose to be with. Don't let temporary things get in the way of that relationship.



fyreredsub -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 3:07:06 PM)

i would be very leery of giving up my money to someone out of the US if we weren't married. Have you looked at your rights concerning buying proerty there? How would your name be on the deed if you aren't there to sign it? i don't like the feel of the situation. you could very easily be ripped off and not have any rights about it.be careful, being a slave does not mean one gives up their brain.as much as i hate to say it, not all men are honorable.

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ORIGINAL: tiggeress2

My Master and I are to be married. We are buying an apt. He wanted to but it togeather. But I am in the states and he is in italy where we will live.He was supposed to waite for my return. But now he fond one he likes. After see pic's of it I do not like it and cannot see my self living there full time. It would make a great summer place. Master is bent on buying it.After much argueing I said that if my feelings dont realy count I want out of my contract.He refuses to do so and tells me im acting like a brat.So is a master always right. Doesent a slave have any rights?




fyreredsub -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 3:11:40 PM)

i had wondered about that.lol


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ORIGINAL: Padriag


You're being a brat. Here's why. First, if you want out of your contract with him all you need do is say "I'm out, seeya" and that's it. You're in the US, he's in Italy and there is no law in the world that says you have to stay in that relationship... if you want out, walk, period. But you should already know that. What you are doing is coming to a forum and asking others to excuse your behavior, to justify your behavior so you can do what you want, force him to do what you want and get away with it without having to feel guilty for it.... not gonna do that dearheart.



A slave chooses to be with her master to serve him because she chose him, not because of the house he lives in. Do you want to be with him for who he is, or his house? If the house really is that much of an issue, you're in the relationship for the wrong reasons and I'd suggest you take a long hard look at your own values. Houses come and go, they can be remodelled and redecorated, they are temporary things... but that relationship ought to be permanent and based on the person you choose to be with. Don't let temporary things get in the way of that relationship.


wow, i never would have thought about that,good point. my concern was being ripped off



Padriag -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 3:55:19 PM)

I just call them as I see them.

Being ripped off is a concern but that didn't seem to be her concern in this case. I don't know who she is or specifically why she objects to the house, so I kept my remarks fairly general. There are some legitimate cases for making objections... for example a house with no wheelchair access, and she's in a wheelchair... or a two story house when she has trouble getting up an down stairs, or maybe they have kids and the house is too small for the family they have... I can understand that kind of thing but the OP didn't list any specific reason why she couldn't see herself living in the house... she just said she didn't like it. Not liking a house because you don't like the style or the color or whatever is not a good reason. Ultimately its still just a house, it can be bought and sold... if they try it and it doesn't work out, they can always sell it and buy a new one later. We also don't know why he wants this house, maybe he's getting a really good deal on it, maybe its just like a house he always dreamed of as a boy, or its like the house he grew up in, or whatever... maybe it just has a good view of the beach... dunno.

I think the OP needs to do some thinking. Has she met this master in person yet? Visited there? Has she seen the house in person? Houses can look one way in pics and surprise you when you see them in person. Too many unanswered questions here for my taste and I'm surely not going to tell someone its okay to walk out of, or even stay in, a relationship with so many unknowns.

But as for the question, "is it being a brat to want out of relationship cause you just don't like the house?" Yep



wolfinside -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 4:01:42 PM)


"Does a slave have any rights?"

Of course you do. But how you run your relationship with your dom depends on what you agreed upon in the first place.

I for one, don't think that just because I am a dominant male means that I am always right about everything in a relationship (quite the contrary) or that I have the right to make all of the decisions about how things are going to go.

I think people sometimes begin confusing role play (master/slave) with reality. Because it is role play. You are not really anyones real slave. And by that I mean you were not captured or born in to involentary servitude. You serve at your own will. And can leave when you please.

You may however renegotiate the terms of your service (relationship) just as any free human can.

I do find it interesting when a slave/submissive insist that they have no limits or want to be a "total slave" right up until the time the don't like the way the dom is running things. That's when the fantasy falls apart and reality comes rushing back in.

You're in a relationship with a man, and like any real relationship sometimes you have to work things out. If he doesn't want to, then you may have to move on.

Calling yourself master or dom doesn't make you a god or infalible. Or right all of the time.


Wolf





WickedKev -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 4:22:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

You're not going to like my answer, so feel free to stop reading now and skip it.

Still reading... good.

You're being a brat. Here's why. First, if you want out of your contract with him all you need do is say "I'm out, seeya" and that's it. You're in the US, he's in Italy and there is no law in the world that says you have to stay in that relationship... if you want out, walk, period. But you should already know that. What you are doing is coming to a forum and asking others to excuse your behavior, to justify your behavior so you can do what you want, force him to do what you want and get away with it without having to feel guilty for it.... not gonna do that dearheart.

What I will suggest is that you stop an think about this. He wants that house, and I'm assuming he's spending his own money. If that's the case, its his money, he can spend it on any damn thing he pleases. As for you living in the house, is this house so aweful you feel its a deal breaker for the relationship? In some cases it could be, if its a roach infested junk heap I could see a lass having a problem with that. On the other hand if its a decent house, but just not the color or style or size you like... you're being a brat.

A slave chooses to be with her master to serve him because she chose him, not because of the house he lives in. Do you want to be with him for who he is, or his house? If the house really is that much of an issue, you're in the relationship for the wrong reasons and I'd suggest you take a long hard look at your own values. Houses come and go, they can be remodelled and redecorated, they are temporary things... but that relationship ought to be permanent and based on the person you choose to be with. Don't let temporary things get in the way of that relationship.



I agree wth Padriag here. Do you love your Master and do you wish to give yourself to him totally? That is the question you have to ask yourself and if the answer is yes then you will be happy with him where ever he chooses to live. As I always tell lusti, I may not always be right but I am never wrong...



fastlane -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 4:42:17 PM)

I am often wrong and will be the first to admit it......Hell, today for example I dressed for the beach, but it was raining and very cold here in Maryland (I've got to stop watching surfing movies and go back to the Porn!) . So, yes to your question.
However, as many have stated already, it's not the Apartment you'r Dom lives in that you choose, it's the Dom in the apartment.

So, get over it and stop talking about the Emancipation Act!



RainGod -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 5:05:50 PM)

heck...nobody is always right. However, if I were about to invest some money into something, I believe I would first have to see it.... and approve it was worthy of the price. That's only wise not matter if you're slave, Dom, or what.... JMO



EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 5:42:57 PM)

Thank you Padriag, I didn't know WHERE to start with all that.



Kasia -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 7:03:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Padriag
You're being a brat. Here's why. First, if you want out of your contract with him all you need do is say "I'm out, seeya" and that's it. You're in the US, he's in Italy and there is no law in the world that says you have to stay in that relationship... if you want out, walk, period. But you should already know that. What you are doing is coming to a forum and asking others to excuse your behavior, to justify your behavior so you can do what you want, force him to do what you want and get away with it without having to feel guilty for it.... not gonna do that dearheart.

What I will suggest is that you stop an think about this. He wants that house, and I'm assuming he's spending his own money. If that's the case, its his money, he can spend it on any damn thing he pleases. As for you living in the house, is this house so aweful you feel its a deal breaker for the relationship? In some cases it could be, if its a roach infested junk heap I could see a lass having a problem with that. On the other hand if its a decent house, but just not the color or style or size you like... you're being a brat.

Bravo, Padriag.

If I may only add....... living in rented apartments all my life, I would be delighted if someone would get me a house I could call my own, however not liking it at the picture. You say it would make a great summer place. Why not a great all year living place then? I apologize if I missed some point here, but the OP sounds just like very spoiled brat to me.
In fact, if I was to have long term submissive or slave and he reacted like you, tiggeress2, I would find that a good reason to dismiss him and find someone who will more appreciate my efforts to find us a decent place to live.



angelic -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 7:39:16 PM)

i do not believe that Masters are always right. However, after seeing only a picture, you decided you didn't want to live there. Then you issued Him an ultimatium (temper tantrum?) and basically said 'if i can't have it my way i want out'. i do understand how you may feel slighted that what you thought you were going to do together turned out not to be so... but you based throwing the entire relationship away based on a picture? Sounds like there wasn't much of a relationship with you to begin with (or only as long as He did what you wanted).

i agree with the rest of the posts.. you are acting like a spoiled brat who didn't get her way.



tiggeress2 -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 7:47:07 PM)

Thank you all for your advise.Padriag is right.after reading your threads.I have come to realize that I was being a brat.And yes using my contract to get what I wanted.As a first time (full time slave)I am trying to bring my vinilla side and slave side togeather.Thank you for reminding me this was my choice out of love for my Master.I will try to do better and think before I react..Thank You all.



Overlord218 -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 9:36:27 PM)

As my girl will tell you, I'm always right. Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.... Think about it.[;)]


Seriously though, the purchase of a home is probably the most important event in life (Apart from birth obviously). Relationships aside, will you be contributing financially to the purchase? If so, there's no question that it's a joint decision with neither party holding quorum.




OscarHargraves -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 9:43:55 PM)

I wonder how many military wivews have seen pictures of their new home in some foreign country on a military base there and shuddered? What do you suppose they did?

Yup, you have the right idea, ......... now. Do what's right in your heart. If you really love him then what difference does it make where you live?



denimknight -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 10:00:47 PM)

The simple truth is that even the most bound slave has the right to walk away at any point for any reason. This sounds like a pretty serious reason.

It is often forgotten that just because a dominant is "Master", "Master" is also human and just as capable of human frailty and flaws as anyone else (in some cases even more so).

Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is likely running a hustle.

Respectfully Submitted
denimknight



FLButtSlut -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/25/2005 10:53:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Padriag

I can understand that kind of thing but the OP didn't list any specific reason why she couldn't see herself living in the house... she just said she didn't like it.

But as for the question, "is it being a brat to want out of relationship cause you just don't like the house?" Yep



Something very important to remember as well. Houses in Europe (at least Spain and Italy) are very different stylistically than the US. A friend of mine recently moved back here from Spain and some of the differences...well, suffice it to say that it DID seem more like a "summer home".

Buying a home is a MAJOR deal. It doesn't sound like much discussion went on...on either side. SHE said, "I don't like it", HE said "I do, so too bad." That alone is a major problem in my opinion. Pehaps they are both being brats. They definately should discuss the matter more determining HER reason (beyond "good summer home") for not liking it, and HIS reason for wanting it so much (all of Padriag's possibilities come to mind). THEN a realistic decision could be made.

Although one other thing....I, too am wondering if they have met and spent significant time together in person. Picking up and moving to a whole different country is a HUGE move.



smilezz -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/26/2005 5:36:09 AM)

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So is a master always right.
Yes...until they are wrong. *chucklez* remember...just because they are Dominant, they are also human too...they make mistakes just like anyone else. I also believe that the Dominant has the last say in the matter......it's up to you to decide if you will obey. What's the relationship worth to you? more communication about the home? If he says my word is final, i am buying the place........you have a choice: Yes Master........or no, this is something i can not live with and move on.
quote:

Doesent a slave have any rights?

I hear alot of people say that as soon as a slave enters a relationship, she/he made their decision and that is the last choice they make. <koffbullshitkoff>
you make the choice to stay in that relationship...you make a choice to obey.............or not.


~smilezz~




empresschaos -> RE: ISMaster ALWAYS right? (10/26/2005 6:45:45 AM)

How totally do you want to give yourself to your Master? While there are certain things that, as a sub, you'll deal with, if he gets to choose the home that you live in (but you have to help pay for it), what else is he going to demand, later? Are you ok with him telling you when and how many kids you'll be having? With when you'll be moving out of that house and into another flat of his selection?

Granted, there are some slaves that are *that* devoted to submission, but if he isn't letting you have a say in the mundane now, it may go beyond dominance and directly to pigheaded selfishness. If you ask me, he's being something of a brat himself. If it was my Master, I'd tell him that if he wants to buy the apartment, then go for it, but that he'll need to purchase it alone.



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