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(CBS) Robert Francis Kennedy … RFK … was assassinated 40 years ago this coming week. Few Americans will ever forget the shock of that night, and what it would mean. Among those working in Bobby Kennedy's presidential campaign was Jeff Greenfield, now our Senior Political Correspondent. He offers a very personal recollection of a man who spoke to so many in so many different ways.




He has been gone almost as long as he was alive, and from a distance of four decades, Robert Kennedy is often seen as a player in a pageant: heir to a murdered President from America's most famous political family … a tumultuous presidential campaign in a tumultuous political year that ended on the floor of a hotel kitchen in Los Angeles.

But why, so many years later, are the memories still so sharp, the loss still so painful?



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/01/sunday/main4142910.shtml

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He became a severe critic of welfare, not just because of the resentment it bred among taxpayers but because of what it was doing to the poor.


That was one quote that caught my attention.  I don't think of things like that, or JFK's tax cuts, when I think of them. Guess we shouldn't over-simplify things.




sirsholly -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 8:13:08 AM)

i can't help but wonder what could have been...




cjan -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 8:41:21 AM)

Amen. Rest in Peace, Bobby, Abraham, Martin and John.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3QMscDVjTE




angelikaJ -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 9:39:54 AM)

JUAN ROMERO

See the man by the asphalt truck
on a hot summer day in L.A.
Down the street hy the hig orange trees
Where the latino boys and girls play
He ‘s raking the tar like he's frosting a cake
And he ‘s doing the best job he can
Juan Romero a quiet and hard working man

At ten years of age from a Mexican state
he crossed over the border and stayed
His pride would fall every time he was called
Taco bender, wetback, Jose
He was seventeen when he got his first job as a bus boy in a big hotel
Juan Romero brought trays to the rich clientel

Sometimes he would think of his Mexican home
And the pictures that hung on the wall 
The Kennedys right next to Jesus and Mary
with rosary beads by them all

One day in June someone told him the news
Bobby Kennedy was in the house
He made sure that he'd be the one who would bring him his dinner
And he got the call
He knocked on the door and walked in the room
There was Bobby and he shook his hand
Juan Romero says he never felt more like a man

The following night from the kitchen
he heard the great victory whistles and cheers
he felt such hope that moment it seemed
nothing could make his dreams disappear
while waiting at the service door to see his catholic hero come in
Juan Romero felt the heat of the shots on his skin
 
The great man lay an the concrete floor as a pool of dark blood run
Juan took rosary beads from his pocket and put them in Bobby’s hands
In his bus boy coat so white and clean and his eyes sad with restraint
Juan Romero kneeling, he looked like a saint

Sometimes he would think of his Mexican home
And the pictures that hung on the wall
The Kennedys right next to Jesus and Mary
with rosary beads by them all  

Now the years have passed
His life is good with a family and his own home
He knows that Bobby would be proud that he built respect stone by stone
And though he never talks of that night
One regret he's always held
He wishes he took them bullets himself  

See the man by the asphalt truck
on a hot summer day in LA.
Down the street by the big orange trees
Where the latino boys and girls play
He s raking the tar like he’s frosting a cake
And he ‘s doing the best job he can
Juan Romero a quiet and hard working man 

Juan Romero a quiet and dignified man  

(Tom Pacheco)

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Termyn8or -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 9:41:01 AM)

"what it was doing to the poor"

Guess he was right.

T




slaveboyforyou -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 10:33:06 AM)

I still want to know why he is allowed to be buried in Arlington.  He never served in the military at all. 




popeye1250 -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 10:38:38 AM)

I thought you meant "Bobby" Seals.
RFK was a no good prick like most of the rest of the Kennedys.
And he's suspected in having something to do with Marylyn Monroe's death because she was going to "spill the beans" on JFK for banging her.




DomAviator -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 11:43:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I still want to know why he is allowed to be buried in Arlington.  He never served in the military at all. 


I agree. Or why the fucking Kennedy family was allowed aboard a Naval Vessel for the burial at sea of their fuckup "pilot" JFK, JR. My dad was buried at sea from aboard a Navy vessel and I was not present - despite being a commissioned officer on reserve status....




DomKen -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 11:47:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I still want to know why he is allowed to be buried in Arlington.  He never served in the military at all. 

Liar.




sirsholly -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 12:00:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

I still want to know why he is allowed to be buried in Arlington.  He never served in the military at all. 


he served in the US Navy 1944-1945




slaveboyforyou -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 12:18:55 PM)

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he served in the US Navy 1944-1945


Well I stand corrected.  He did serve in the Naval Reserve.  But I still don't understand why he is buried at Arlington.  Arlington doesn't just take anyone.  My father is a Vietnam veteran, and a silver star recipient.  I'm pretty sure they won't allow him to be buried there. 




slaveboyforyou -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 12:22:11 PM)

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I agree. Or why the fucking Kennedy family was allowed aboard a Naval Vessel for the burial at sea of their fuckup "pilot" JFK, JR. My dad was buried at sea from aboard a Navy vessel and I was not present - despite being a commissioned officer on reserve status....


Oh yeah I agree with that too.  He had absolutely no right to be buried at sea from a Naval vessel. 




cjan -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 12:36:09 PM)

[image]http://www.collarchat.com/upfiles/smiley/wtf.gif[/image]When is somebody gonna slam Ole Abe ? I mean, he didn't serve in the military. He was responsible for the death and maiming of thousands of his own countrymen. He freed the lazyass darkies and ruined the economy of the South for decades, and he died while enjoying a play put on by a buch of faggy thespians.

Don't even get me started on Martin.

C'mon, let all that right wing fascist hatred out. You'll feel better.

Why don't y'all go piss on somebody else's grave ?




winterlight -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 12:40:58 PM)

JFK served on PT boat what was it 105? It is well known about that and a movie was even made about JFK.




Irishknight -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 12:49:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: winterlight

JFK served on PT boat what was it 105? It is well known about that and a movie was even made about JFK.


Not to split hairs, but I believe that slaveboy was  talking about RFK not JFK.  As for the hatred, I would like to have been able to look back and see how much of a better impact RFK would have made had he lived.




slaveboyforyou -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 12:53:18 PM)

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[sm=wtf.gif]When is somebody gonna slam Ole Abe ? I mean, he didn't serve in the military. He was responsible for the death and maiming of thousands of his own countrymen. He freed the lazyass darkies and ruined the economy of the South for decades, and he died while enjoying a play put on by a buch of faggy thespians.

Don't even get me started on Martin.

C'mon, let all that right wing fascist hatred out. You'll feel better.

Why don't y'all go piss on somebody else's grave ?


I have slammed Abraham Lincoln.  He was a tyrant, and he single-handedly destroyed our status as a Republic.  If you think the American Civil War was about freeing slaves, than you have a simple-minded view of history. 

I am far from being a fascist, and that is a typical insult from someone on the Left.  The Kennedys have never done anything I find admirable.  Unlike the sheep in this country, I don't worship them or find them fascinating.  When I hear some moron describe the Kennedys as our royal family, I want to fucking choke them. 




Evility -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 1:12:03 PM)

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He became a severe critic of welfare, not just because of the resentment it bred among taxpayers but because of what it was doing to the poor.


Teddy never got that memo.





DomAviator -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 1:31:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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[sm=wtf.gif]When is somebody gonna slam Ole Abe ? I mean, he didn't serve in the military. He was responsible for the death and maiming of thousands of his own countrymen. He freed the lazyass darkies and ruined the economy of the South for decades, and he died while enjoying a play put on by a buch of faggy thespians.

Don't even get me started on Martin.

C'mon, let all that right wing fascist hatred out. You'll feel better.

Why don't y'all go piss on somebody else's grave ?


I have slammed Abraham Lincoln.  He was a tyrant, and he single-handedly destroyed our status as a Republic.  If you think the American Civil War was about freeing slaves, than you have a simple-minded view of history. 

I am far from being a fascist, and that is a typical insult from someone on the Left.  The Kennedys have never done anything I find admirable.  Unlike the sheep in this country, I don't worship them or find them fascinating.  When I hear some moron describe the Kennedys as our royal family, I want to fucking choke them. 


Lincoln never intended to free the slaves. He woke up with a bad hang over the next day and said "I FREED WHO???" [:D] Ok just joking - but Lincoln was not the champion of racial equality he was believed to be. There are numerous historical documents suggesting that he wanted to abolish slavery AND TO REPATRIATE SLAVES. Ie - he didnt love black people so much he wanted them free, he hated them enough that he wanted them out of this country even if at the time they were legally chattel.

Which raises another interesting point... and one Im sure will light many tampon strings. While this legal argument would never hold up in todays courts using todays moral code - what lincoln did in emancipation was LEGALLY WRONG. No person shall be deprived of property without due process. The slaves were, under the law of the land at the time, property. They were legally acquired, highly expensive pieces of farm machinery, bought at auctions and they came with a bill of sale. They were what is legally known as "chattle" ie "personal property". The emancipation proclamation was a unilateral presidential declaration under which tens of thousands of Americans were deprived of millions of dollars worth of property that they acquired legally and paid for with their hard earned dollars.

Talk about overstepping Presidential authotity! Imagine if for instance Bush declared that "Henceforth, all Ford Explorers are set free and can not be owned, bought, or sold". Well you know, I would be pretty pissed cause Im out $38,000 and where is my compensation and due process??? Don't give me the moral argument of keeping slaves as being wrong etc, or branding me a racist, because thats not what I am discussing here. I am referring unemotionally and only to the isssues of PROPERTY LAW, which is the legal status the slaves had at the time - chattel property used in agricultural production. (Im not saying thatsright, but thats the law of the time) Emancipation was a tremendous smear upon the property rights of Southern Americans. They didnt get compensated for the slaves they lost, they didnt get due process, etc... It was analagous to a modern day presisident saying "All John Deere Equipment is now set free and you get nothing for it". To have emancipated properly, and legally, they should have handled it with a buy back program or grandfather the existing slaves but deny the importation of new ones and say that all new births are free men etc...  So Lincoln was actually the first president to run roughshod across the constitution....




cjan -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 2:17:57 PM)

So emancipation was legally wrong because slaves were " legaly owned property" and Abraham Lincoln was a "tyrant" who "single- handedly destroyed our Republic", eh ?

Nah, no fascists here... I don't see any, do you ? Look in the fucking mirror, dudes.




DomKen -> RE: In Memory of Bobby (6/1/2008 2:19:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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he served in the US Navy 1944-1945


Well I stand corrected.  He did serve in the Naval Reserve.  But I still don't understand why he is buried at Arlington.  Arlington doesn't just take anyone.  My father is a Vietnam veteran, and a silver star recipient.  I'm pretty sure they won't allow him to be buried there. 

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/guide.interment.html

So he can request burial there. Just another example of you shooting your mouth off without checking the facts.

BTW by those same guidelines RFK would be allowed to be buried there today.




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