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domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 11:55:49 AM   
agonyndefeet


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Status: offline 		please can anyone tell me what domestic discipline is i am a domestic sub and never heard that before thank you
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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 12:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Domestic discipline is like a husband/wife relationship where he uses corrections, rewards and punishment to guide her the way he feels the household should be run.. Usually with his partners best interest in the front of his mind and wanting her to be a better wife/partner/mom etc... At least thats my understanding of it.

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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 1:00:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		It might help to know the context in which you heard it. It might have to do with the punishments or corrections in a certain situation. It might be a term specific to their kink.

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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 1:06:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Domestic discipline is just another term for spanking, corporal punishment or OTK. The term is used especially among the Christian Domestic Discipline crowd or the Taken in Hand folks.

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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 1:52:06 PM   
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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 2:07:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's an interesting blog on "Loving Domestic Discipline"
http://lovingdd.blogspot.com/



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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 3:52:07 PM   
thornhappy


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Status: offline 		Amazing...when you go to their personal blog you find that they're 24/7 M/s and poly swingers.

Not the usual Christian take on DD.

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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 4:08:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		WHAP = women who administer punishment.

Given the WHAP derived question i would have thought domestic discipline in this context would be Dominatrix driven subjugation or humiliation of male subjects "forced" into domestic servitude scenarios as main kink or punishment within a kink. Male subjects either the victim of CP, corporal punishment whilst in a domestic submissive setting, or performance of domestic tasks under threat of punishment for lax service.

Something like that, possibly!




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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 6:50:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: agonyndefeet

please can anyone tell me what domestic discipline is i am a domestic sub and never heard that before thank you


My answer may get me into trouble with people who embrace DD, and for that I apologize in advance.  I don't mean to offend.  But here goes nothing anyway.

IMO, DD = D/s Lite.

I've read a lot (a lot) about this and contrary to what some might think, it's generally not a christian "thing", although there is definitely that branch of it out there.  More globally, it seems to be more about vanilla folks - married or not - who *GENERALLY* subscribe to:

* Male head of household (aka the HOH)
* Corporal Punishment (usually, and sometimes obsessively, with spanking emphasis)
* A view that what they engage in is neither kink, fetish nor BDSM

My own view is that this is actually, um, kink... and fetish... and most definitely under the umbrella of BDSM.

So yes.  Comitted D/s Lite.

As always, ymmv.

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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 7:09:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Here's an interesting blog on "Loving Domestic Discipline"
http://lovingdd.blogspot.com/




I just visited this site again after a good 6 or more months since having seen it last.

It would appear that, in my opinion, this guy is as full of shite as he ever was.

Uh, boy, am I ever on a roll tonight!

(All to say that I'm willing to hazard a guess that the vast majority of people who embrace DD would take serious offense to his ideas.)

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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 8:01:45 PM   
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RE: domestic ??? - 6/1/2008 9:31:14 PM   
slavegirljoy


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Status: offline 		Just as with D/s, M/s, TPE, Marriage and any other personal relationship, a Domestic Discipline relationship is defined by the people in that relationship.  For some, it's merely the right of the husband or, sometimes but, not as commonly, the wife, (whichever one is viewed as the head of the household), to use corporal punishment, such as spanking or whipping with a belt or switch (thin tree branch) as corrective discipline on the other member of the relationship.

Some Christians consider it to be following scripture for the husband to discipline his wife.  Others don't see it that way.  Most do not see it as "kink" or BD/SM, because there is no intended sexual component to it.  In other words, they don't use it for the purpose of becoming sexually aroused, as is the nature of BD/SM.  They use it for the purpose of maintaining discipline within the relationship. 
 
Some people might say, that's ridiculous.  That it is kinky, no matter what it's called.  But, unless they are in that relationship, how would anyone else know what the motivation, purpose or, outcome of using corporal punishment on the spouse would be, in another relationship?

Historically, husbands have used physical discipline on their wives, often with the courts and the church's blessings, up until modern day.  They may not have called it, "Domestic Discipline" until recently but, it was in use, just the same.  All you need do is watch some old movies and TV shows to see men spanking the women in their lives.  Of course, that was back before there was a thing called, "Domestic Violence" so, TV and movies weren't afraid of showing it.

TV shows that had men spanking women: I Love Lucy, Gunsmoke, Wagon Train, Rawhide and others.

Some of the Movies with men spanking women:

Love, Honor and Behave - (USA 1938) Starring Wayne Morris and Priscilla Lane.   A Couple have a big domestic fight which includes throwing items at each other as well as punches, eventually Wayne resolves the dispute by giving Priscilla a firm spanking.
 
June Bride - (USA 1948)  Starring Robert Montgomery and Betty Lynn.  Betty Lynn is taken over Robert Montgomery`s knee for a spanking on her behind with a rolled up newspaper.  
 
Her Favorite Husband (1950) Housewife Jean Kent is bemused by her husband Robert Beatty, who is not quite himself these days. 
 
Kiss Me Kate - (USA 1953) Starring Howard Keel and Kathryn Grayson.  Keel puts Grayson across his knee and spanks her in front of a packed house audience in this stage play film.
 
Donovan`s Reef - (USA 1963) Starring John Wayne and Liz Allen.  Big John puts Liz across his knee and gives her behind a hard spanking.
 
McClintock - (USA 1963)  Starring  John Wayne and Maureen O`Hara.  This movie features two spanking scenes.  First Stephanie Powers gets a spanking from Patrick Wayne, and then Maureen O`Hara is spanked by John Wayne.
 
Others......................................................
 
joy
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RE: domestic ??? - 6/2/2008 7:18:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

Just as with D/s, M/s, TPE, Marriage and any other personal relationship, a Domestic Discipline relationship is defined by the people in that relationship.  For some, it's merely the right of the husband or, sometimes but, not as commonly, the wife, (whichever one is viewed as the head of the household), to use corporal punishment, such as spanking or whipping with a belt or switch (thin tree branch) as corrective discipline on the other member of the relationship.

Some Christians consider it to be following scripture for the husband to discipline his wife.  Others don't see it that way.  Most do not see it as "kink" or BD/SM, because there is no intended sexual component to it.  In other words, they don't use it for the purpose of becoming sexually aroused, as is the nature of BD/SM.  They use it for the purpose of maintaining discipline within the relationship. 
 
Some people might say, that's ridiculous.  That it is kinky, no matter what it's called.  But, unless they are in that relationship, how would anyone else know what the motivation, purpose or, outcome of using corporal punishment on the spouse would be, in another relationship?

Historically, husbands have used physical discipline on their wives, often with the courts and the church's blessings, up until modern day.  They may not have called it, "Domestic Discipline" until recently but, it was in use, just the same.  All you need do is watch some old movies and TV shows to see men spanking the women in their lives.  Of course, that was back before there was a thing called, "Domestic Violence" so, TV and movies weren't afraid of showing it.

TV shows that had men spanking women: I Love Lucy, Gunsmoke, Wagon Train, Rawhide and others.

Some of the Movies with men spanking women:

Love, Honor and Behave - (USA 1938) Starring Wayne Morris and Priscilla Lane.   A Couple have a big domestic fight which includes throwing items at each other as well as punches, eventually Wayne resolves the dispute by giving Priscilla a firm spanking.
 
June Bride - (USA 1948)  Starring Robert Montgomery and Betty Lynn.  Betty Lynn is taken over Robert Montgomery`s knee for a spanking on her behind with a rolled up newspaper.  
 
Her Favorite Husband (1950) Housewife Jean Kent is bemused by her husband Robert Beatty, who is not quite himself these days. 
 
Kiss Me Kate - (USA 1953) Starring Howard Keel and Kathryn Grayson.  Keel puts Grayson across his knee and spanks her in front of a packed house audience in this stage play film.
 
Donovan`s Reef - (USA 1963) Starring John Wayne and Liz Allen.  Big John puts Liz across his knee and gives her behind a hard spanking.
 
McClintock - (USA 1963)  Starring  John Wayne and Maureen O`Hara.  This movie features two spanking scenes.  First Stephanie Powers gets a spanking from Patrick Wayne, and then Maureen O`Hara is spanked by John Wayne.
 
Others......................................................
 
joy
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joy, I don't disagree with you.  You've described how a lot of people feel about DD.  For the sake of conversation, though, I'd like to add a few things.

People in other sorts of BDSM relationships sometimes also have a punishment dynamic.  Some openly state that it lights the fuse for them, while others say they hate punishment when it's necessary.  To each his own, and I'm positive both exist. D/s, M/s, What-Have-You/s... it's still BDSM, and nobody seems to mind that fact.

Except the DD peeps.  Most of them do mind.

IMO, not all BDSM is about sex either, or getting turned on, blah blah.  But when the guy (dominantly) scolds the woman because [fill in reason for punishment here], and (dominantly) tells her to pull down her pants and bend over, and she (submissively) accepts the scolding, and (submissively) bends over for him to (dominantly) spank her.... well... I see that as Dominant and Submissive behavior.  I don't really care if they screw afterwards, ya know? 

In the end, we do agree though.  In every relationship, the dynamics are uniquely defined by those within it.  And everybody has the freedom to call what they do with/to each other anything they like.  It's just for the purposes of answering a question, or defining a label, things get really tricky... IMO, putting DD outside BDSM does nothing but muddy the water so the group at large can feel holier (or superior) than the rest of kink.  I'm with LA on that.


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RE: domestic ??? - 6/2/2008 9:47:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cantilena

IMO, not all BDSM is about sex either, or getting turned on, blah blah.  But when the guy (dominantly) scolds the woman because [fill in reason for punishment here], and (dominantly) tells her to pull down her pants and bend over, and she (submissively) accepts the scolding, and (submissively) bends over for him to (dominantly) spank her.... well... I see that as Dominant and Submissive behavior.  I don't really care if they screw afterwards, ya know? 

... IMO, putting DD outside BDSM does nothing but muddy the water so the group at large can feel holier (or superior) than the rest of kink.  I'm with LA on that.

That's your personal opinion, which everyone is entitled to.  But, your personal opinion really has nothing to do with the way another pair of people see their own relationship.  You may look at a husband turning his wife over his knee and spanking her as kinky but, that doesn't mean that they do.  They may not get any sexual excitement from that act, at all.
 
And, even though some people, within the 'kink community', like to say that others are trying to make themselves "feel holier (or superior) than the rest of kink", by using a different, 'non-kinky', label for their personal relationship, unless you can get inside that relationship and get inside their heads, you really don't know that.
 
Some people might not consider all BD/SM to be "about sex" and, that's their personal opinion.  But, for many people and for many years, Bondage & Discipline has been known as a form of sexual play.  In fact, for many people, if you take the sexual element out of the act of tying someone up and beating them, it then becomes abuse.  Maybe some people want it both ways, kinky but, not sexual. 
 
Either way, what does that have to do with the fact that there are couples who use corporal punishment in their relationship, without it being sexual, and they refer to it as, "Domestic Discipline"?  And, how does using the term, "Domestic Discipline", to describe their relationship, mean that they are trying to "feel holier (or superior)" than anyone else?  That may be your perception but, that doesn't mean it's true for them. 
 
To make a blanket statement about other couples using the term, "Domestic Discipline", as being nothing more than a 'nice way' of referring to their 'kink', without actually admitting to it, seems pretty presumptuous, to me. 

If some people want to call  the characters John Wayne and Maureen O'Hara portrayed in their films, 'kinksters', that's up to them.  Others call them 'traditional'.  Some people see 'kink' where others see none, at all.  Is everyone really supposed to wear the same shade of glasses to look at the world and look at their own relationship?  Can't each of us look at our own relationship the way that we choose, regardless of how others see it?

Do you really believe that there is only 1 way to look at the use of Discipline in personal relationships?  And, that it needs to always be seen as 'kinky'?  Not from my perspective.  i have experienced different types of discipline, throughout my life, and all but one had no sexual component to them, at all.  The only type of discipline that i have experienced that ever had a sexual component to it has been in BD/SM activities. 
 
Then again, the difference in viewpoints may be due to the fact that i don't include the Dominant/submissive dynamic in the BD/SM (Bondage & Discipline / Sadomasochism) term.  To me, they are two separate and distinct elements of a personal relationship that can be and, often are, combined in the relationship but, not always. 

As for me and my Master, we have a DAISADCMAIWBYWIWT relationship, as in, "Do As I Say And Don't Challenge Me And I Will Beat You When I Want To" and, that works just fine for us, even if others see it differently.
 
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RE: domestic ??? - 6/2/2008 10:03:15 AM   
cantilena


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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

 ...Is everyone really supposed to wear the same shade of glasses to look at the world and look at their own relationship?...
 
...Can't each of us look at our own relationship the way that we choose, regardless of how others see it?...

...Do you really believe that there is only 1 way to look at the use of Discipline in personal relationships?... 
 
...And, that it needs to always be seen as 'kinky'?... 


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ORIGINAL: cantilena
In every relationship, the dynamics are uniquely defined by those within it.  And everybody has the freedom to call what they do with/to each other anything they like. 

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RE: domestic ??? - 6/2/2008 10:04:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pinkwind

WHAP = women who administer punishment.

Given the WHAP derived question i would have thought domestic discipline in this context would be Dominatrix driven subjugation or humiliation of male subjects "forced" into domestic servitude scenarios as main kink or punishment within a kink. Male subjects either the victim of CP, corporal punishment whilst in a domestic submissive setting, or performance of domestic tasks under threat of punishment for lax service.

Something like that, possibly!





It never ceases to amaze me how someone can ask a simple question on these boards and it gets turn into rants that have nothing to do with the original question.  The OP specifically asked about WHAP and pinkwind was the only person here who even tried to answer his question. 

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RE: domestic ??? - 6/2/2008 10:09:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you reading a different question from the OP than I am?

I'm being serious.

Because I see the original question as:

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ORIGINAL: agonyndefeet
please can anyone tell me what domestic discipline is i am a domestic sub and never heard that before thank you


Am I missing the first part of this thread?

{{edited because I still can't use the freakin' quote feature without screwing it up somehow}}


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RE: domestic ??? - 6/2/2008 10:15:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: agonyndefeet

thank you i heard it from a group that call themsellves whap 

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RE: domestic ??? - 6/2/2008 10:17:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cantilena

Are you reading a different question from the OP than I am?

I'm being serious.

Because I see the original question as:

quote:

ORIGINAL: agonyndefeet
please can anyone tell me what domestic discipline is i am a domestic sub and never heard that before thank you


Am I missing the first part of this thread?

{{edited because I still can't use the freakin' quote feature without screwing it up somehow}}



He clarified it on his second post, which apparently nobody read.

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RE: domestic ??? - 6/2/2008 10:24:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: cantilena

Are you reading a different question from the OP than I am?

I'm being serious.

Because I see the original question as:

quote:

ORIGINAL: agonyndefeet
please can anyone tell me what domestic discipline is i am a domestic sub and never heard that before thank you


Am I missing the first part of this thread?

{{edited because I still can't use the freakin' quote feature without screwing it up somehow}}



He clarified it on his second post, which apparently nobody read.


With all due respect, it seems to me people are discussing the original question.  The OP later clarified, but after the question had already taken a turn toward the other context.  Now, if the OP had phrased the original post in a WHAP framework, who knows?  Maybe the thread would have taken an entirely different turn.

But s/he didn't.  S/he asked about DD generally.  And that's what folks are talking about.

Why the snark?

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